Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-965

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby Spimer » June 15th, 2016, 12:13 pm

I read the file as a whole an added some details to my earlier post so if anyone wants to check it out again feel free to
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » June 16th, 2016, 2:03 am

k11chi wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:anti-climactic spoiler images
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Then again that completely shows the whole thing... In other words it was part of how he works after all. It'll be a 3 chapter case most likely now..


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We'll have to wait and see whether Shinichi/Conan makes his "I got it" face in either 964 or 965.

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Anti-climactic how?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » June 18th, 2016, 4:42 am

Apologies for the double post.

Spoiler:
964 text spoilers are out:
http://tamae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ymag/1465877930/493

k11chi was correct with his guess about the length of the case—965 will be the resolution.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby Spimer » June 18th, 2016, 5:20 am

Translation of the text spoilers

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File 964: Approach

Trying to find the memo inside of over 10,000 books is hard.

Jirokichi alreay tried, like Kogoro, to skim over all books by gathering all the staff but they didn't find it.

The widow brings up something else her late husband had mentioned: "Suppose you find the memo... You should be able to find the contents of the box, too, but..." yet it rather sounded like "you'll never find it". She never asked him "which" book it was because she thought it would be shameful to do so.

Kogoro's coughs are getting worse so Conan & Agasa go to the lobby where there are vending machines: Agasa also goes to the restroom and Conan waits for him.

Kogoro attempts to force the box open again: he ignores the "don't take it away" signpost and tries to jump back from the fence's range yet a new fence drops where he intended to land: Kogoro accidentally spits the drink inside of his mouth and wets the box: the widow quickly rushes to wipe out the liquid yet Conan seems to think something about this.

Kogoro and the others return to the : Ran & Sonoko went to pick flowers so they aren't present: Haibara & Okiya seem to have forgotten what they were doing there and are going over mystery series novels: the widow notices that Okiya's sleeves smell of meat and potatoes stew: Okiya and she begin to talk and Okiya says he likes cooking: Ran and Sonoko come back then: she talks about how she read the cooking book her late husband had bought for her over and over again to the point she opened some holes on it: Sonoko seems eager to meet Kid so she put up some make-on.

Conan then feels Kid's presence: the medicine Kogoro drank seems to be more effective than it'd been insofar, Okiya is scanning the surroudings while pretending to read the books, Agasa took too much time in the toilet... He also thinks he could've disguised as either Ran or Sonoko. Ran picks a chair and climbs on it to try to reach a book in a higher shelf: Conan stares at her tighs and what's beyond them...
Haibara: "Super lewd..."

That asides, Haibara says that everyone but Okiya had an opening in which Kid could've swapped with them but Conan suspects that Kid could've been impersonating Okiya ever since he showed up in the library.

The widow brings up her late husband's exchange diary: he only wrotes a few lines in the pages back when he was a student but shortly after they married she checked out the diary there were 2 pages she supposedly hadn't seen before filled with her late husband's writing: he retrieved it back on that day and she didn't see it again.

It would seem this info might be a clue.

Kid (thinking): "Oho. That guy's face... Looks like you've figured it out too... Detective. Where the paper is and what the box's contents are..."

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » June 18th, 2016, 5:59 am

Spimer wrote:
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Kogoro's coughs are getting worse so Conan & Agasa go to the lobby where there are vending machines: Agasa also goes to the restroom and Conan waits for him.

Kogoro and the others return to the : Haibara & Okiya seem to have forgotten what they were doing there and are going over mystery series novels: the widow notices that Okiya's sleeves smell of meat and potatoes stew: Okiya and she begin to talk and Okiya says he likes cooking:

Conan then feels Kid's presence: Okiya is scanning the surroudings while pretending to read the books, Agasa took too much time in the toilet...

That asides, Haibara says that everyone but Okiya had an opening in which Kid could've swapped with them but Conan suspects that Kid could've been impersonating Okiya ever since he showed up in the library.


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It's pretty likely that Kid knocked Agasa out when he went to the restroom and impersonated him, hence why "Agasa" took so long. Kid couldn't have guessed what Shuichi/Subaru had made with the lid on, so I think this Subaru is Shuichi, not Kid.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby rfsuki » June 18th, 2016, 6:20 am

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The smell of meat and potatoes stew on Okiya's sleeves seems to confirm that he is indeed Shuichi.

Besides Okiya, the widow, Haibara and Conan, Kid could have impersonated anyone because the others seemed to move around a lot in this chapter therefore Kid could have time to swap with anyone of them.

One more thing: at the end of the chapter, Kid seems to have realized that Okiya's face is a disguise mask. Things start to get interesting.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby Serinox » June 18th, 2016, 6:32 am

rfsuki wrote:
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One more thing: at the end of the chapter, Kid seems to have realized that Okiya's face is a disguise mask. Things start to get interesting.


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What, where did you get that from? If you mean Kid's last sentence, that seems to be about Conan's typical "I have solved this mystery!" face and not Okiya's face.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby rfsuki » June 18th, 2016, 6:37 am

Serinox wrote:
rfsuki wrote:
Spoiler:
One more thing: at the end of the chapter, Kid seems to have realized that Okiya's face is a disguise mask. Things start to get interesting.


Spoiler:
What, where did you get that from? If you mean Kid's last sentence, that seems to be about Conan's typical "I have solved this mystery!" face and not Okiya's face.


Spoiler:
Yeah you're right. I misunderstood this. Just because I always have a thought that Kid's father is Yukiko's master so Kid is good enough to realize Okiya's mask.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby PirateKing » June 18th, 2016, 7:07 am

Spoiler:
Going by file 963, I noticed Agasa has a lot of band-aids on his finger, no doubt due to the self-defense mechanism of the box. I'm going to hazard a guess that Kid will disguise as Agasa, and get found by out because he doesn't put the band-aids on the right fingers, or maybe adds one too many or less.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » June 18th, 2016, 7:19 am

rfsuki wrote:
Spoiler:
Besides Okiya, the widow, Haibara and Conan, Kid could have impersonated anyone because the others seemed to move around a lot in this chapter therefore Kid could have time to swap with anyone of them.


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Agasa is the only one of them whom Kid hasn't disguised as, before (Ran: Black Star, Kogoro: Sunset Manor, Jirokichi: Midair Walk, and Sonoko: Makoto Vs. Kid), hence why I think this case will be the first time he does.


PirateKing wrote:
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Going by file 963, I noticed Agasa has a lot of band-aids on his finger, no doubt due to the self-defense mechanism of the box. I'm going to hazard a guess that Kid will disguise as Agasa, and get found by out because he doesn't put the band-aids on the right fingers, or maybe adds one too many or less.


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Yeah, I don't think there's any other reason he has so many band-aids on his fingers but for the disguised Kid to get found out.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby yourereadingthis » June 18th, 2016, 11:18 am

Spoiler:
Hoping the tune turns out to be that particular one, thus foreshadowing the next file to be BO related ::)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby Spimer » June 18th, 2016, 11:24 am

@yourereadingthis:
Spoiler:
Sadly, it can't be the Seven Children.

Why? This box was made in the 19th century and the music box inside is from that period too.

Seven Children was made in 1921.

So unless the late husband found a way to manipulate the music box to change its tune it surely will turn out to be some old traditional Japanese song.

And besides, insofar there's been no connection between Samizu Kichiemon and the BO to begin with: the late husband doesn't appeal as being the type to be linked to the BO either.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby yourereadingthis » June 18th, 2016, 11:42 am

@Spimer
Spoiler:
Ah, thanks for clarifying that. It's a shame.
I knew it was highly unlikely Samizu or the late husband were related to the BO, but I was hoping Gosho would have chosen Seven Children to just coincidentally be the tune so that Conan would think about them and prove to be a segue for the next case.
Yep, won't happen unless he decides to retcon/rewrite history.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby Max1996 » June 18th, 2016, 4:17 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
rfsuki wrote:
Spoiler:
Besides Okiya, the widow, Haibara and Conan, Kid could have impersonated anyone because the others seemed to move around a lot in this chapter therefore Kid could have time to swap with anyone of them.


Spoiler:
Agasa is the only one of them whom Kid hasn't disguised as, before (Ran: Black Star, Kogoro: Sunset Manor, Jirokichi: Midair Walk, and Sonoko: Makoto Vs. Kid), hence why I think this case will be the first time he does.


PirateKing wrote:
Spoiler:
Going by file 963, I noticed Agasa has a lot of band-aids on his finger, no doubt due to the self-defense mechanism of the box. I'm going to hazard a guess that Kid will disguise as Agasa, and get found by out because he doesn't put the band-aids on the right fingers, or maybe adds one too many or less.


Spoiler:
Yeah, I don't think there's any other reason he has so many band-aids on his fingers but for the disguised Kid to get found out.


Spoiler:
That is more likely, as Jirokichi can be ruled out as Kid's disguise. His mention of the lady's husband always standing behind him would be something Kid couldn't know.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 963-96X

Postby kentasaiba » June 18th, 2016, 4:45 pm

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It also cant be Okiya, because Kid cant know how his eyes looks. And maybe the late husband was part of the Crow-Society :-*
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