Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-962

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Wakarimashita » May 19th, 2016, 2:26 pm

Aside from the first two chapters, most of the very early chapters were 16 pages, so in the end it's just been a return to what was standard when the manga began.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Themaninarmor » May 19th, 2016, 3:54 pm

Wakarimashita wrote:Aside from the first two chapters, most of the very early chapters were 16 pages, so in the end it's just been a return to what was standard when the manga began.
is that so? never realized that before.... Well i have never counted it in the first place. :)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » May 20th, 2016, 12:57 am

Wakarimashita wrote:Aside from the first two chapters, most of the very early chapters were 16 pages, so in the end it's just been a return to what was standard when the manga began.


File 1 was 35 pages and File 2 was 27 pages.

Since I'm going through every single DC volume, I can say that, where I am now (Volume 8, File 78), a majority of the files were actually longer than 16 pages. I'll give an update about when they stopped doing 18-page files for DC, when I get there.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Brekclub85 » May 20th, 2016, 3:54 am

I forgot the specific volume, but IIRC the 18 page files stopped somewhere in the mid-50s.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Shihœiji » May 20th, 2016, 5:08 am

Probably Shonen Sunday took another work, limiting Aoyama's one.
Anyway is there someone who thought about a reason for the hairpin presence? I looked for the "nue"'s call and it is similar to the sound made by the clash of plastic dices. Maybe the answer is linked to the suspects'items.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Wakarimashita » May 20th, 2016, 7:42 am

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Wakarimashita wrote:Aside from the first two chapters, most of the very early chapters were 16 pages, so in the end it's just been a return to what was standard when the manga began.


File 1 was 35 pages and File 2 was 27 pages.

Since I'm going through every single DC volume, I can say that, where I am now (Volume 8, File 78), a majority of the files were actually longer than 16 pages. I'll give an update about when they stopped doing 18-page files for DC, when I get there.


Hence why I said "aside from the first two chapters". I only looked at the first volume and 6 out of the 7 remaining chapters were 16 pages. It's possible it changed later on but I also said "very early chapters".
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Valentin » May 20th, 2016, 8:19 am

Shihœiji wrote:If Charles Abel actually is French, then he could mean "nuè", "denuded", indicating that somebody (the historian) took the gold from the place he understood it was hidden and maybe the historian himself attempted to kill him with the slide, maybe he let the miner die, with the purpose to keep the gold.

That’s an interesting suggestion. Since nue is the feminine form of nu ‘nude’, the reference must be a feminine form as well. Then, the feminine cachette ‘hiding place’ might be suitable in that context.

On the other hand, thanks to his pronunciation of Charles Abel, I’m not so sure if Aoyama would handle such a code correctly. Perhaps it’s just the Japanese monster, after all.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Spimer » May 21st, 2016, 6:30 am

Translation of text spoilers:

NO BREAK NEXT WEEK

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File 960: The nue's scars

Conan & Heiji put off the fires and meet with the others to tell them about what they've found.

Archeologoist: "Hmpf... Thought it was but a bottle... But I wasn't expecting it to be a real monster..."

He says something fishy.

Ran & Kazuha called the police but they won't come immediately because they're in a pretty far location: the historian's corpse had some scars that looked like a monster had done them.

The claw-cuts were to give off the impresion yet, out of the 4 cuts, there's only one which caused the death. Heiji directs the brunt at the Mayor saying he's the only who coul've done it yet he denies it and says he got a letter that asked of him to summon the victim and the other 3 here. There also was a letter telling about the famed notebook, the funds and the cave-in accident.

The Mayor admits that the letter instructed in which rooms everyone would lodge: Ran & Kazuha fear there's some setup to their room and say they want to change it. When the novelist hears that the room used to belong to the miner who died in the cave-in she looks interested but the archaeologist offers to exchange rooms because he doesn't want the girls to have fear.

The writer also says he wants to change to a room in the 3rd floor.

Heiji: "I don't care but don't come outta ya room! If ya do so I'll assume ya are the culprit!"

Heiji & Conan stay at the arson scene to keep an eye on the windows when everyone's gone back.

Mayor: "I'll go check all rooms... Even if that monster shows up again... We'll fend it off together!"

Conan & Heiji would've preffered for the Mayor to stay put but come to these they call for the other 3 and ask them their reasons for coming here.

The archaelogist wanted to achieve a carreer like that of the "Godly hand Fujimura Shinichi".

The novelist is famous for her novels about monsters and, as a gruadate of an art college, and shows interested in choosing shooting locations and handling the decoration in case her works were to be adapted into a TV series.

Althought she's unrelated to the buried treasure the mysterious letter instructed for the Mayor to summon her to turn the whole monster story more exciting.

The victim was a historian specialist in the buried treasure topic yet Conan brings up something he finds ood: why was the writer called as well? He isn't famous to begin with: the Mayor isn't sure either because the letter only said "a fledging report writer".

In the meanwhile the writer is drinking cola from the can and keeping an eye out from the window.

The survivors of the cave-in accident vanished and their names are unknown so Hattori seems to be thinking of something. He himself is a pinch hitter in Kogoro's place (who's been discarded due to financial difficulty) and Shinichi's (whereabouts unknown).

The letter Hattori got also mentioned Ran so he doesn't think it's a coincidence. Conan asks why out of all garden trees one of them is a different species but the Mayor hasn't come too often to this hotel so he doesn't know.

Hattori steps over the cinders of a stick which has a cloth-like item attached to it: the novelist opens her window.

Novelist: "You're being loud! Let me sleep!"

When she complains to the group the writer replies from above that he doesn't care for the noise and backs Conan & co.

Conan and Heiji decide they lack info so they suggest going to meet the writer but the "nue's cry" rings out again.

The flames, which should've been put out, surround them and the archaeologist's scream rings out from the hotel.

Supposedly only the Mayor has the spare key but Conan & Heiji go and bang the archaeologist's door yet he doesn't open it.

The Mayor takes a while to meet up with them and bring the spare key: they enter the room and find the archaeologist dead.

There are 2 red spots below the vic's chin which look like he was bitten by a snake.

A new closed room murder... Could it be that there's really a "nue" out there?

Side-note: "A 2nd murder has finally happened... A "snake" comes next after the "tiger"... What'll happen to these serial murders...!?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby k11chi » May 21st, 2016, 7:07 am

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Basically it's the "snake tail" of the "nue"... Anyway.. That "i thought it was a bottle" and "cinders of a stick which has a cloth-like item attached to it" parts smell rather fishy.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby MrDetective » May 21st, 2016, 7:27 am

Valentin wrote:
Shihœiji wrote:If Charles Abel actually is French, then he could mean "nuè", "denuded", indicating that somebody (the historian) took the gold from the place he understood it was hidden and maybe the historian himself attempted to kill him with the slide, maybe he let the miner die, with the purpose to keep the gold.

That’s an interesting suggestion. Since nue is the feminine form of nu ‘nude’, the reference must be a feminine form as well.


"nue" is also the obsolete term for "nuage" (cloud) but I doubt that's relevant...
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby wrd » May 21st, 2016, 8:37 am

Thanks Spimer for the translation ^^

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There's this part that's still unclear to me..

Spimer wrote:
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He himself is a pinch hitter in Kogoro's place (who's been discarded due to financial difficulty) and Shinichi's (whereabouts unknown).

The letter Hattori got also mentioned Ran so he doesn't think it's a coincidence.


So I assume the letter he got originally demanded Kogoro or/and Shinichi and Ran?
(If so I wonder why the letter wasn't sent to them in the first place. .)

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Or the letter explained to him that they couldn't afford bringing Shinichi and Kogoro so they asked him to come instead, but still insisted on bringing Ran with him..
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Shihœiji » May 21st, 2016, 10:17 am

I think it means they were the first choice (maybe for the usual confirmed-by-detective alibi 'cause the murderer planned a complicated method to deceive), so the letter explained that to Heiji; but I guess it's more relevant for the case.
K11chi, why are bottle and cynder clues so important in your opinion? The bottle can be a coca-cola reference, but what do you think the stick means? Possibly I didn't understand something because I'm Italian.
Thanks, Valentin. I tought about "nuè" (masculine), but if the miner gave the paper when he was alive, he could put the accent.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby KaitoRizu » May 21st, 2016, 11:41 am

Shihœiji wrote:K11chi, why are bottle and cynder clues so important in your opinion? The bottle can be a coca-cola reference, but what do you think the stick means?

most likely the bottle and stick with a cloth on it have something to do with the trick (that's also probably why k11chi said that they're fishy)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby wrd » May 21st, 2016, 12:50 pm

Shihœiji wrote:I think it means they were the first choice (maybe for the usual confirmed-by-detective alibi 'cause the murderer planned a complicated method to deceive), so the letter explained that to Heiji; but I guess it's more relevant for the case.


Apparently the mayor is the first one to get a letter with a list of people to be invited, and that list originally suggested a famous detective, either Shinichi or Kogoro ..but the mayor opted for Heiji due to the reasons said above, and his close relation with the 2 detectives, and maybe demanded Ran for the same reason?

Waiting for the file for more details. ..it looks promising so far.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-96X

Postby Uchiha Shadow » May 23rd, 2016, 8:37 am

So is there any plot related thing in this case? I haven't read any file after 957, and I didn't read the discussion thread.

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