We already tackled this in the past. That story with the two strangers is most likely just a lie.
1. In the Kaizou subs version of the anime, during the scene where Detective Mogi, Mouri, and Conan find the piano and the note hidden between the keys, Mogi states that the tragedy rumor and the riddle are "all true and relevant" ... However the word used in both the manga and anime in Japanese is "mayutsuba" meaning "false / counterfeit", which is the exact opposite of what the subtitles say.
At the end of the case, Senma tries to say that Karasuma was still alive 40 years ago when her father was hired to solve the riddle. Karasuma was killing the people he invited to solve the riddle as motivation to find the treasure quicker. This contradicts the earlier story that is told about two strangers and marijuana on several points. 1. Both events happened 40 years ago. 2. Both events caused massive amounts of blood to be spilled. 3. Karasuma was still alive at 40 years ago even though the story said he died "half a century ago".
Thank you for making me aware of that, because I had no idea.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Some copypasta from DCW
So you've been going on DCW? (Thing is, my anti-virus software has blocked the site for me, so thanks for posting your thoughts, here.)
DCW has been clean for a week now.
Working on getting my anti-virus software to re-classify the site, then.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:If his dying message is "ASAKA RUM," then he would had to have known beforehand about the Organization, as I doubt Koji just happened to hear the name, just moments before he was killed, since it's very unlikely the word "Rum" would've be shouted by either Amanda or Asaka. Perhaps he heard it in an earlier conversation between Asaka and someone else.
I am inclined to think Kohji is unaware of the Organization and overheard/oversaw Rum talking and learned the codename that way. Kohji was then caught eavesdropping, leading to the events that got him killed.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:If Koji is why Rum lost an eye, then he must've wiped his blood off of the scissors—else, he'd be ID'd.
The scissors were put under water by Kohji to cut the glass. If the chain of events went
#1 Asaka/Rum attacked Kohji, Kohji stabbed his eye with scissors and forced Asaka/Rum to retreat
#2 Kohji cut the glass underwater to leave a dying message. This washed the scissors clean to the naked eye (testing could find DNA).#3 Kohji dies and the photographer takes the pictures
#4 Asaka/Rum worms his way back in and disappears with the scissors and mirror
Then the contradiction is explained. Also this would be early in the life of routine DNA testing, although Kohji's/Amanda's case would be big enough to warrant a full power investigation with all the trim because he is famous and Amanda had contacts in the FBI and CIA.
Technically Kohji could have used another weapon besides the scissors, but the scissors are the most likely choice.
I kind of wonder if the photographer was Daddy Akai
So the eye gouge to Rum and the fatal wound to Koji occurred at the same time, hence Rum leaving and allowing others to react to the commotion (but not emergency personnel, like the police, so he could come back and get the mirror)? Once again, that's probably it.
If he wasn't FBI, and Asaka—Rum—was the only one present, then some kind of private investigator could fit the bill. Alternatively, what if he was BO, and he was conversing with Rum, and this conversation was overheard by Koji?
I know this is by no means official, but does anyone know what "Kiritake" means (or any of the other possible combos, for that matter)?
Kor wrote: Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
@The Karasuma theory in general
Can Karasuma Renya please just get stuffed in a concrete box, weighted with lead, and dumped in Lake Michigan already
? Karasuma was a greedy clodhead who killed people because he wanted them to solve the riddle of his mansion and find the gold for him faster. http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... suma_Renya
I also wish people would stop bringing him up. His case was fun, but he is not some mystical figure and there is no grand conspiracy going on with him.
No kill like overkill...
Well, I certainly don't think he or another popular one case candidate, Genichirou Kaneshiro, is the boss. But if that story about the two men was just that, a story, then what's to be said about the Karasuma family apparently "[dying] out?" If Gosho's making a call back to Volume 18 in Volume 89, then who's to say we can't have a Volume 30 callback in Volume 90?
On the other hand, if Gosho didn't intend that Koji's dying message could be read as "C/KARASUMA," then that is a tried and true coincidence (a.k.a., wow, that's weird, but hey, there you go).
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