Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby AICHAN » November 30th, 2015, 3:25 pm

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I really don't know if I have to cry or get mad at the whole Akai family arc...I had some hopes that Gosho would not take that direction but it seems like my nightmare is coming true...
I'm only curious to see how the MG turned into a kid and if the whole family knew she had a sister.But this arc itself is horrible to me
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » November 30th, 2015, 3:43 pm

AICHAN wrote:
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I really don't know if I have to cry or get mad at the whole Akai family arc...I had some hopes that Gosho would not take that direction but it seems like my nightmare is coming true...
I'm only curious to see how the MG turned into a kid and if the whole family knew she had a sister.But this arc itself is horrible to me
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Spoiler:
You can have a blend of both, as well.

What are your other DC nightmares, then?

Also, how does this one compare to Bourbon being PSB?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby MeiTanteixX » November 30th, 2015, 3:54 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
AICHAN wrote:
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I really don't know if I have to cry or get mad at the whole Akai family arc...I had some hopes that Gosho would not take that direction but it seems like my nightmare is coming true...
I'm only curious to see how the MG turned into a kid and if the whole family knew she had a sister.But this arc itself is horrible to me
.


Spoiler:
You can have a blend of both, as well.

What are your other DC nightmares, then?

Also, how does this one compare to Bourbon being PSB?

yeah, I also want to know that...

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this is hardly surprising,...most saw this coming with almost 100% certainty,...
Bourbon on the other hand was hard to say, we had hints(most hint were added close to the conclusion) but most of them only conflicted with the belief that he was a BO kid, and also the hope that gosho would not repeat the ''spy-ingredient''!
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby k11chi » November 30th, 2015, 4:13 pm

Let's face it the sisters had to appear at one point. This gives Haibara some potential growth to know she still has family out there.
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Postby MeiTanteixX » November 30th, 2015, 4:26 pm

k11chi wrote:Let's face it the sisters had to appear at one point. This gives Haibara some potential growth to know she still has family out there.

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actually, with Rum seemingly targeting the rats of the BO, unless Gosho took drastic measures to involve haibara in Rum's rat extermination,... THIS might be the only way for haibara's character, as well as Elena's, to develop further AT ALL along this arc! so,...
unless someone is bitter about akai and akemi being cousins, It's completely satisifying that Gosho chose this route for this little family arc!
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby AICHAN » November 30th, 2015, 5:56 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:
k11chi wrote:Let's face it the sisters had to appear at one point. This gives Haibara some potential growth to know she still has family out there.

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actually, with Rum seemingly targeting the rats of the BO, unless Gosho took drastic measures to involve haibara in Rum's rat extermination,... THIS might be the only way for haibara's character, as well as Elena's, to develop further AT ALL along this arc! so,...
unless someone is bitter about akai and akemi being cousins, It's completely satisifying that Gosho chose this route for this little family arc!

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You should take a look at the spoiler cbox to see if people are satisfied (I think Kor explained very well why this is not a good direction for the Akai/ai family arc,especially for Haibara's character)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » November 30th, 2015, 6:33 pm

AICHAN wrote:
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You should take a look at the spoiler cbox to see if people are satisfied (I think Kor explained very well why this is not a good direction for the Akai/ai family arc,especially for Haibara's character)


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And do you have anything to add that Kor didn't address?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby Ai_Shazhiri » December 1st, 2015, 3:41 am

I have 2 theory.
1. The MG is Elena's sister.
2. The MG is Yukiko's sister (because her hair look alike. Just a random guess).
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby MoonRaven » December 1st, 2015, 5:59 am

If Elena and MG are sisters, the only way I'm going to be satisfied is if Akemi is Atsushi's child from previous marriage. After all she doesn't look much like Elena unlike Shiho does(from the few pictures we have of the resident Hell's Angel)
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby Uchiha Shadow » December 1st, 2015, 7:15 am

Ai_Shazhiri wrote:I have 2 theory.
1. The MG is Elena's sister.
2. The MG is Yukiko's sister (because her hair look alike. Just a random guess).

Gosho already said that Yukiko is not one of them.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » December 1st, 2015, 12:38 pm

MoonRaven wrote:If Elena and MG are sisters, the only way I'm going to be satisfied is if Akemi is Atsushi's child from previous marriage. After all she doesn't look much like Elena unlike Shiho does(from the few pictures we have of the resident Hell's Angel)


Because of Shuichi and Akemi being cousins, right?

Just to put it out there, the possible genetic makeup of the children of cousins is why cousin marriage is banned. If cousins in a relationship don't want to have children, then there's no problem. And it wouldn't be, in this case—Akemi is dead.
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Postby Serinox » December 1st, 2015, 1:19 pm

Aside from that, cousin marriage is legal in Japan anyway - highly frowned upon these days, sure, but still legal. In fact, Japan's former Prime Minister (2010-2011) Naoto Kan is married to his first cousin.
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Postby Wakarimashita » December 1st, 2015, 1:35 pm

Cousin marriage is legal in most countries :

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It is indeed seen as weird in most developed countries though. Remember the Hatamoto case with a shocked Kogoro learning that Kitaro and Mariko were cousins ? And that was over 20 years ago.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Postby AICHAN » December 1st, 2015, 1:43 pm

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I'm not that shocked about Akai being Akemi's cousin(I've known many people,including in my family, married to their cousins and it went well,even with children)
I'm not satisfied because IMO that ruin the Akai/Akemi drama(he used his own cousins to get information to the point that one of them was killed,as if it wasn't a dramatic situation from the start) and frankly I think the whole promise thing will be useless if they are all related.Not to mention that neither Haibara nor Akai mentionned having an aunt somewhere(Ai was there since vol 18 and Akai since vol 28...If Conan saw the ressemblance between Ai and MG,then Akai should have seen it too). I guess MG and Helena can be half sisters being raised separately which would explain why it was difficult to make the link.

But nevermind if you guys are happy with it I guess I'm the weird one.This plot is getting too complicated but not in a good way for me.
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Postby Serinox » December 1st, 2015, 2:02 pm

AICHAN wrote:
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I'm not that shocked about Akai being Akemi's cousin(I've known many people,including in my family, married to their cousins and it went well,even with children)
I'm not satisfied because IMO that ruin the Akai/Akemi drama(he used his own cousins to get information to the point that one of them was killed,as if it wasn't a dramatic situation from the start) and frankly I think the whole promise thing will be useless if they are all related.Not to mention that neither Haibara nor Akai mentionned having an aunt somewhere(Ai was there since vol 18 and Akai since vol 28...If Conan saw the ressemblance between Ai and MG,then Akai should have seen it too). I guess MG and Helena can be half sisters being raised separately which would explain why it was difficult to make the link.

But nevermind if you guys are happy with it I guess I'm the weird one.This plot is getting too complicated but not in a good way for me.

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Do you think either Akemi or Akai knew? I don't. Haibara never even really met her parents, so she wouldn't know if she had an aunt. Akai might know that he has, but what if the MG only told them "I have a sister, but we haven't seen each other in years", how would Akai make the connection? Plus, if the MG looks more different from Haibara when she was older (aka probably the last time Akai saw her), it might've been difficult to make the connection.

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