Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-94X

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As expected, there was no plot in this file. I think the person who had access to it would've mentioned even the smallest mention of MG, Masumi, Shuichi or the FBI, if there was one.
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
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As expected, there was no plot in this file. I think the person who had access to it would've mentioned even the smallest mention of MG, Masumi, Shuichi or the FBI, if there was one.
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true, which means we should expect something at the end of the case...
Just hoping that gosho will leads this into a BO case...
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
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As expected, there was no plot in this file. I think the person who had access to it would've mentioned even the smallest mention of MG, Masumi, Shuichi or the FBI, if there was one.
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true, which means we should expect something at the end of the case...
Just hoping that gosho will leads this into a BO case...
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Yep , I hope so ...
By the look of it, maybe after solving this case, Conan will get a general idea about why Rum descriptions are so contradictory.
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wrd wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
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As expected, there was no plot in this file. I think the person who had access to it would've mentioned even the smallest mention of MG, Masumi, Shuichi or the FBI, if there was one.
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true, which means we should expect something at the end of the case...
Just hoping that gosho will leads this into a BO case...
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Yep , I hope so ...
By the look of it, maybe after solving this case, Conan will get a general idea about why Rum descriptions are so contradictory.
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But the descriptions of Rum are not contradictory. Conan demonstrated during Ch. 910 how one person (Kansuke) could furfill all descriptions.
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Serinox wrote:
wrd wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
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As expected, there was no plot in this file. I think the person who had access to it would've mentioned even the smallest mention of MG, Masumi, Shuichi or the FBI, if there was one.
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true, which means we should expect something at the end of the case...
Just hoping that gosho will leads this into a BO case...
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Yep , I hope so ...
By the look of it, maybe after solving this case, Conan will get a general idea about why Rum descriptions are so contradictory.
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But the descriptions of Rum are not contradictory. Conan demonstrated during Ch. 910 how one person (Kansuke) could furfill all descriptions.
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At first glance, the descriptions would seem contradictory. This, if we think on the basis that those who described Rum had saw him clearly and described him in a realistic way.

For example, if Conan had to describe Kansuke for others. he won't describe him as old man or feminine (even if he unties his ponytail).

Also, if we took in consideration the way Gosho made his characters imagine/describe those 3 characteristics, it would seem difficult to fit the 3 descriptions in one person.

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What I'm trying to say is, those who described Rum:
- Either they saw his body doubles.
- Or they did not saw him clearly or did saw him in different positions/situations/circumstances, which made him look feminine for some, and old or strong for others. And in this case, yes we can bring up the example of Kansuke : from a distance he could look elderly (but if he close the distance he won't look as such); if he untied his ponytail he would have long hair (although that won't qualify him as feminine in my opinion, considering his strong body and his hard features).
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wrd wrote:
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At first glance, the descriptions would seem contradictory. This, if we think on the basis that those who described Rum had saw him clearly and described him in a realistic way.

For example, if Conan had to describe Kansuke for others. he won't describe him as old man or feminine (even if he unties his ponytail).

Also, if we took in consideration the way Gosho made his characters imagine/describe those 3 characteristics, it would seem difficult to fit the 3 descriptions in one person.

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What I'm trying to say is, those who described Rum:
- Either they saw his body doubles.
- Or they did not saw him clearly or did saw him in different positions/situations/circumstances, which made him look feminine for some, and old or strong for others. And in this case, yes we can bring up the example of Kansuke : from a distance he could look elderly (but if he close the distance he won't look as such); if he untied his ponytail he would have long hair (although that won't qualify him as feminine in my opinion, considering his strong body and his hard features).
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The main issue with the Rum descriptions is that we get them as second hand information via Haibara and don't have any context from the situations of their meetings. Unlike the current case where we know that the DB saw the culprit in a department store and fleeing down the stairs, which is a first hand account. The department store is a contained location and the trick that made the culprit change appearance as the DB saw him/her is contained to the things found in the building or on their person (more specifically, anything we can see in the first 2 files).

When it comes to Rum, another thing to note is that in Japan there are rigid gender and hierarchy lines and people of different genders and ages speak differently depending on whom they are speaking to. So in certain cases the way a person speaks or even the specific words used can be mistaken for a different age or gender if you don't actually see the person face to face. For example, say that one of the three people describing Rum only spoke to him on the phone and heard a raspy elderly sounding voice they might mistake the person for being old when they aren't. Also you could say have them hear a high pitched voice and have them mistake that for feminine. You could also have one of those people describing him only have contact with him via email, in which case the words used might be associated with a person of a certain age or gender (Watashi (feminine), Boku (masculine) ect.)

As can be inferred from your last point, there is also the possibility that one of the people describing him saw him from a great distance and chose one particular feature to use as a description of him. Your example of seeing Kansuke from a distance and mistaking him for an elderly person due to having a cane can make sense, because as long as you don't get to close, you won't see his rougher features.

The main issue is that all three people say that he has a false eye. This presumably means that either they were close enough to him in person to actually notice this, or that he or someone else told them about it. If they were in close proximity to him, it would be a lot harder to use the two items above as excuses for why the descriptions don't match. However there could be things like different outfits that he wears to make him look different. I guess an example of something like this could be Masumi. In her first appearance she is mistaken for a guy mostly because of the way she acted and what she was wearing. However later we see her in a female school uniform (and even later in a swimsuit) which tells us that she is female despite what the main characters first guessed.
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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
wrd wrote:
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At first glance, the descriptions would seem contradictory. This, if we think on the basis that those who described Rum had saw him clearly and described him in a realistic way.

For example, if Conan had to describe Kansuke for others. he won't describe him as old man or feminine (even if he unties his ponytail).

Also, if we took in consideration the way Gosho made his characters imagine/describe those 3 characteristics, it would seem difficult to fit the 3 descriptions in one person.

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What I'm trying to say is, those who described Rum:
- Either they saw his body doubles.
- Or they did not saw him clearly or did saw him in different positions/situations/circumstances, which made him look feminine for some, and old or strong for others. And in this case, yes we can bring up the example of Kansuke : from a distance he could look elderly (but if he close the distance he won't look as such); if he untied his ponytail he would have long hair (although that won't qualify him as feminine in my opinion, considering his strong body and his hard features).
Spoiler:
The main issue with the Rum descriptions is that we get them as second hand information via Haibara and don't have any context from the situations of their meetings. Unlike the current case where we know that the DB saw the culprit in a department store and fleeing down the stairs, which is a first hand account. The department store is a contained location and the trick that made the culprit change appearance as the DB saw him/her is contained to the things found in the building or on their person (more specifically, anything we can see in the first 2 files).

When it comes to Rum, another thing to note is that in Japan there are rigid gender and hierarchy lines and people of different genders and ages speak differently depending on whom they are speaking to. So in certain cases the way a person speaks or even the specific words used can be mistaken for a different age or gender if you don't actually see the person face to face. For example, say that one of the three people describing Rum only spoke to him on the phone and heard a raspy elderly sounding voice they might mistake the person for being old when they aren't. Also you could say have them hear a high pitched voice and have them mistake that for feminine. You could also have one of those people describing him only have contact with him via email, in which case the words used might be associated with a person of a certain age or gender (Watashi (feminine), Boku (masculine) ect.)

As can be inferred from your last point, there is also the possibility that one of the people describing him saw him from a great distance and chose one particular feature to use as a description of him. Your example of seeing Kansuke from a distance and mistaking him for an elderly person due to having a cane can make sense, because as long as you don't get to close, you won't see his rougher features.

The main issue is that all three people say that he has a false eye. This presumably means that either they were close enough to him in person to actually notice this, or that he or someone else told them about it. If they were in close proximity to him, it would be a lot harder to use the two items above as excuses for why the descriptions don't match. However there could be things like different outfits that he wears to make him look different. I guess an example of something like this could be Masumi. In her first appearance she is mistaken for a guy mostly because of the way she acted and what she was wearing. However later we see her in a female school uniform (and even later in a swimsuit) which tells us that she is female despite what the main characters first guessed.
I agree with that, we really need more information.
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The last trick of the Bourbon arc in the Scarlet Epilogue might have been a hint.
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k11chi wrote:The last trick of the Bourbon arc in the Scarlet Epilogue might have been a hint.
You mean the trick with mugs and vanishing ink?
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MoonRaven wrote:
k11chi wrote:The last trick of the Bourbon arc in the Scarlet Epilogue might have been a hint.
You mean the trick with mugs and vanishing ink?
Yes
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I do not think that gosho destroyed haibara personal, she was from the beginning of fashion lovers and fashion

With regard to this haibara, I have a response about coming Rum
" memories of someone who's passed away remain beautiful forever and a person's heart will linger , over they , they say "
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I agree jimmy opinion on the issue of Rum likened the question of sera, I liked the theory, and I feel it as well

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Don't you think that DB's descriptions of the culprit are similar to Rum's ?!

Short man = old man !
Large-sized man = strong man !
A woman (somehow) = feminine man

Along with "number 2" which printed on the T-shirt
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k11chi wrote:The last trick of the Bourbon arc in the Scarlet Epilogue might have been a hint.
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Yeah, Aoyama-sensei might be cheating just like Agasa.
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please guys... don't double post... there is a EDIT button for a reason. I can see that you are new and all but... please. Just at the right upper corner of your recent post.
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