Towards Ran's Next Suspicion Arc Discussion

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Updated up to recent files (958-959).
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good sharing.. I want to know about it :D
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Love this arc!! ;D Also just curious, but what do you all think about Ran's birthday? Gosho mentioned previously in an interview that there's some importance behind why he hasn't revealed it yet. I'm thinking part of why it's important is that there's a possibility if Ran does in fact know Conan = Shinichi, her birthday may be a case where this is confirmed. Any theories?
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That' interesting I've heard people say she knows he is Conan. There's also evidence to support that like the fingerprints and how she knew his blood type. Conan asks people a lot of questions especially when they know something random or something they shouldn't, yet her never questioned her on it. The obstacle however is interesting considering that the guy writing the story is facing it. That to me says one of two things. Either he's waiting for that reveal to be very special, considering that her birthday will definitely push their relationship further along. Maybe that's when she answers his confession and he wants it done on a special occasion, like the 1000th chapter that's being counted down to. The other thing I can think is relationships between characters relative to the plot. Her birthday is clearly a big deal to him so it could be multiple characters revaluations happen, like Heiji and Kazuha. Who knows with Gosho though lol.
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Updated the latest development from File 985. Please check the Facebook Fanpage for more details.
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red.orchid wrote:Updated the latest development from File 985. Please check the Facebook Fanpage for more details.
As expected x)
This is clearly a setup for Ran's next awaited suspicion arc.
From her interaction with Vermouth, to now this...? Today is truly a good day for DC, and onwards! ;D
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
red.orchid wrote:Updated the latest development from File 985. Please check the Facebook Fanpage for more details.
As expected x)
This is clearly a setup for Ran's next awaited suspicion arc.
From her interaction with Vermouth, to now this...? Today is truly a good day for DC, and onwards! ;D
Truly, Gosho has so many possibilities for File 1000.

And what better to involve in the case that will feature File 1000 than Ran's current suspicions, ongoing as early as just after her last suspicion arc, back in 2004?
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:And what better to involve in the case that will feature File 1000 than Ran's current suspicions, ongoing as early as just after her last suspicion arc, back in 2004?
I'm happy that he decided to go with the last style of "suspicion arc", where he sets it up until the finale. Ran might finally become, and do something interesting if she adds all her experience into the mix(including all the unusual amount of knowledge she has about the plot characters[That-FBI-guy/Sera's-dead-brother-Akai-Shuichi/Subaru, That-disguised-kidnapper-calls-her-"angel"/Chris-can-disguise-and-is-involved-with-bad-people/Sharon, Natsuko's-accident/Jodie-is-still-in-Japan/"Angel"-in-Jodie's-photo, Shinichi-ran-after-that-man-in-black, The-woman-that-saved-DB-had-a-mystery-train-pass-ring/Haibara-is-mature, girl-with-Sera-is-familiar/Sera-acted-as-if-Ran-met-her-mom]).

When she remembers Akai-flashback --> "That FBI guy = Akai Shuichi" and, if she puts thought into it(although unlikely), "Sera's mother = That girl with Sera"
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:And what better to involve in the case that will feature File 1000 than Ran's current suspicions, ongoing as early as just after her last suspicion arc, back in 2004?
I'm happy that he decided to go with the last style of "suspicion arc", where he sets it up until the finale. Ran might finally become, and do something interesting if she adds all her experience into the mix...

When she remembers Akai-flashback --> "That FBI guy = Akai Shuichi" and, if she puts thought into it(although unlikely), "Sera's mother = That girl with Sera"
Oh, yeah—if she realizes that, maybe it'll finally trigger, "Oh, that's who Subaru Okiya reminded me of!" Especially after she kicked him in the face and he just walked it off (638–640/510–511)—Masumi and Shuichi/Subaru haven't interacted since Yusaku Kudo's Cold Case (812–814/690–691)... maybe Ran can be the one to break the ice... and maybe we can get Shiho/Ai in there, too.

If she makes the connection between Mary back then and Mary now, it won't be just Shinichi/Conan who appears, in Ran's eyes, to be a younger version of someone she knows—if she makes a connection between Shiho/Ai and her older self (maybe even with a second look at the woman who saved the DBs (815–817/699–700))... one's an incident, two's a coincidence, and three's a pattern... I can see her even more suspicious of everything if she just makes the connection with Mary, let alone Shiho/Ai.

Last time she got involved, she saved Shiho/Ai... who knows what might happen, next time?
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I updated some recently added sections. I was asked to underline the importance of the The enigmatic smile - Why Ran knows Shinichi's excuse is invalid section, as it might be useful in discussions regarding new development as of late.

With these updates, the completion status is as follows:
VOLUMES 47-72 [COVERED]
VOLUMES 73-87 [PARTIALLY COVERED]
VOLUMES 88-93 [COVERED, ongoing]

To read the whole album in full, please check the Facebook Fanpage Detective Conan: The Red Thread.

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Do you think the file 1000 would compile Ran's birthday and RUM's unveiling or another BO tie up??
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Bumpy.

While Red Orchid hasn't posted here since Feburary, the Red Thread Group added a new pic considering the Kyoto Storyline.

https://imgur.com/xAFjeg1

Imo. they might be really onto something. This would actually kinda explain, why Ran is so "forgiving" for Shinichi disappearing again.
(Plus, Shinichi made far too many mistakes in Kyoto.)

Also, Ran's behavior in the Eri SOS Case at the end.....yeah felt weird.

But imo. there will be no final conclusion to this until Ran's Birthday. (Which will be imo. in 2019.)

Kyoto was a big step up in the Shinran relationship, but they never were alone together, to talk things privatly.

This might however happen, when Ran "forces" Shinichi into a date, that he can't refuse, her birthday.....
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S.Vineyard wrote:Bumpy.

While Red Orchid hasn't posted here since Feburary, the Red Thread Group added a new pic considering the Kyoto Storyline.

https://imgur.com/xAFjeg1

Imo. they might be really onto something. This would actually kinda explain, why Ran is so "forgiving" for Shinichi disappearing again.
(Plus, Shinichi made far to many mistakes in Kyoto.)

Also, Ran's behavior in the Eri SOS Case at the end.....yeah felt weird.

But imo. there will be no final conclusion to this until Ran's Birthday. (Which will be imo. in 2019.)

Kyoto was a big step up in the Shinran relationship, but they never were alone together, to talk things privatly.

This might however happen, when Ran "forces" Shinichi into a date, that he can't refuse, her birthday.....
Yeah, it seemed really strange for her to suddenly be on him like she was in the last suspicion arc (479–483/398–400), and then for her to just drop it so quickly—to me, this is Gosho reminding us that, yes, Ran's suspicions are in play... and it's just a question of when they will come into play.

So I guess he'll keep that spare APTX antidote capsule until then—he could use it very soon after the most recent case, but he may very well use it at a much later date, instead.
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So I guess he'll keep that spare APTX antidote capsule until then—he could use it very soon after the most recent case, but he may very well use it at a much later date, instead.
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meanwhile, here's me thinking that we are gonna get a "haido city hotel rooftop" 2.0 with Mary and her drugger, with the help of this antidote.
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So I guess he'll keep that spare APTX antidote capsule until then—he could use it very soon after the most recent case, but he may very well use it at a much later date, instead.
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meanwhile, here's me thinking that we are gonna get a "haido city hotel rooftop" 2.0 with Mary and her drugger, with the help of this antidote.
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If that happens, then what will Gosho do differently?
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
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