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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 18th, 2018, 4:08 pm
by Iwamoto Yuri
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So where does this rate on the Gosho Aoyama disappointment/let down scale? Or has it all kind of melded together, at this point?
Can't be disappointed if you never expected much to begin with ;).
Seriously though, for your own sanity it'd be best not to overthink Aoyama :V.

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 18th, 2018, 9:13 pm
by Kor
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:You expected Rum to be one of those three from the get-go, right?

So where does this rate on the Gosho Aoyama disappointment/let down scale? Or has it all kind of melded together, at this point?


So I don't know what a "Gosho disappointment scale" is (nor do I know how you can "rate" disappointment), but if I expected Rum to be one of the three, why would I be disappointed with this outcome? I even noted this last page several months ago.

I also tend to believe that the idea of a 4th person stems from wishful thinking by readers who hope Gosho wouldn't be so repetitive or predictable (even though Gosho is extremely repetitive as a writer).


And Yuri said it well enough.
Can't be disappointed if you never expected much to begin with

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 18th, 2018, 10:31 pm
by Zerozaki4869
The bigger question is whether Gosho recycling the arc or not?(Being repetitive doesn't mean same as doing recycling)
Regarding the fourth Rum suspect it was done due to the impression of the Cup-trick.
People didn't like the idea of Rum's effeminate man being swapped with an woman as strong as a man.

But thefailure of the trick was, whoever we tried to fit as the genuine Rum suspect, ended up being the one with a skull over the coaster(suspicious).
The one who got hacked down from that list was Rumi.

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 19th, 2018, 12:56 am
by DCUniverseAficionado
Iwamoto Yuri wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So where does this rate on the Gosho Aoyama disappointment/let down scale? Or has it all kind of melded together, at this point?
Can't be disappointed if you never expected much to begin with ;).
Seriously though, for your own sanity it'd be best not to overthink Aoyama :V.


So let me make sure I have this right—you (no longer—assuming you once did) have zero positive expectations when it comes to Gosho Aoyama as a creator of compelling mysteries...? Do I have that right? If not—if my assessment has missed the mark—then by all means correct me.

In other words, "I can no longer be disappointed by this creator, for they have already disappointed me enough."

Well, at least you can say you warned me about that. ;)

Kor wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So I don't know what a "Gosho disappointment scale" is (nor do I know how you can "rate" disappointment)


Let me put it another way—in terms of "rating" disappointment—which produced a stronger, more potent reaction from you... Bourbon being a NOC, or Renya Karasuma being the boss? Differences in context around these reveals aside, whichever one got the stronger, more potent, reaction rates higher, on the "Gosho disappointment scale."

I hope that clarified what I meant, and my apologies for not making it clear, initially.

By the way, how long have you and Yuri been in the "can't be disappointed by DC if I have no expectations of it" state?

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 19th, 2018, 6:49 am
by Iwamoto Yuri
Why instantly make it negative? I just stopped expecting complicated things and read the manga without putting much thought behind it. It makes for a generally enjoyable experience.
I understand a lot of people need to build up his storytelling skills but it became clear to me a long time ago that it's rather repetitive without said fact disappointing me in the first place. That's because I never really got into this series for the plot line, I started reading it because I enjoy detective stories. That's all that Conan is anyway: A detective story with an overarching plotline that pops up once in a blue moon to keep the audience interested.
Gosho isn't perfect, he forgets characters, he changes his mind about plot lines, and he's been doing this for over two decades now. It's hard not to fall into repetition after doing this for so long.

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 19th, 2018, 12:41 pm
by DCUniverseAficionado
Iwamoto Yuri wrote:Why instantly make it negative?


Nah, just me phrasing things wrong and/or not adding enough conditions and caveats to make my question sound as neutral as possible. 'Twas not my intent. :-[

Iwamoto Yuri wrote:I just stopped expecting complicated things and read the manga without putting much thought behind it. It makes for a generally enjoyable experience.
I understand a lot of people need to build up his storytelling skills but it became clear to me a long time ago that it's rather repetitive without said fact disappointing me in the first place. That's because I never really got into this series for the plot line, I started reading it because I enjoy detective stories. That's all that Conan is anyway: A detective story with an overarching plotline that pops up once in a blue moon to keep the audience interested.
Gosho isn't perfect, he forgets characters, he changes his mind about plot lines, and he's been doing this for over two decades now. It's hard not to fall into repetition after doing this for so long.


Ah, I see.

I figured, at this stage, at least some long-time fans wouldn't be in it for just the plot. Interest in the genre and interest in/affection for the characters would have to be at play, as well.

I guess... I just can't wait to find out how this will all play out, with the characters—what actions they'll take, how they react and change to development—as we approach the culminating climax of this long-running mystery manga. ;D

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 21st, 2018, 2:46 am
by Zerozaki4869
There is an alternate reading of Wakita's name. The Waki part means off-topic/red herring.
So chances are Wakita is the biggest red herring.

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 21st, 2018, 8:29 am
by DCUniverseAficionado
Zerozaki4869 wrote:There is an alternate reading of Wakita's name. The Waki part means off-topic/red herring.
So chances are Wakita is the biggest red herring.


Which means Rum would be Hyōe or Rumi, right? If we're ruling out 4th suspects, that leaves only them if Kanenori is as this suggests. And I just don't see that, at this point—it'd certainly surprise me if Gosho had either of them turn out to be Rum, considering one seems to be Rei's/Tōru's boss at the NPA, and the other has both Shinichi/Conan and Shiho/Ai at hand's length.

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 21st, 2018, 8:38 am
by Zerozaki4869
Araide also had Conan at his arm's length.
Plus I think Rumi is somehow related to the Miyanos.
(She has similar eye shape and eyebrows like Atsushi)

Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #35

Posted: December 21st, 2018, 10:26 am
by DCUniverseAficionado
Zerozaki4869 wrote:Araide also had Conan at his arm's length.
Plus I think Rumi is somehow related to the Miyanos.
(She has similar eye shape and eyebrows like Atsushi)


Vermouth has a soft spot for him... but Rum? I don't think so—and neither one of them has a soft spot for Sherry, that's for sure.

Sure, she could be his younger sister, and seeking revenge for him, rather than for Kōji.