Mystery Poll: Poll #35

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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Kor » February 24th, 2015, 3:53 am

Touichi Kuroba wrote:I wanna argue against this point.Why would Akai's surname in college be Sera since he still has Akai as his surname, why did he have it as Sera in college, why did he change back?I also don't want Shukichi as the Middle brother, he doesn't seem as good at deductions as the mid bro(though he could be like Shuu and might be holding them back)he also seems very careless.Whatever, I just hope that the mid bro is somebody else.


High school, not college.
But based on what have you decided Akai was the original surname? For all we know, the father's surname could have been completely different, and "Akai" is something Shuichi picked up.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Touichi Kuroba » February 24th, 2015, 4:04 am

Kor wrote:
Touichi Kuroba wrote:I wanna argue against this point.Why would Akai's surname in college be Sera since he still has Akai as his surname, why did he have it as Sera in college, why did he change back?I also don't want Shukichi as the Middle brother, he doesn't seem as good at deductions as the mid bro(though he could be like Shuu and might be holding them back)he also seems very careless.Whatever, I just hope that the mid bro is somebody else.


High school, not college.
But based on what have you decided Akai was the original surname? For all we know, the father's surname could have been completely different, and "Akai" is something Shuichi picked up.

This might not be concrete or anything, but in the red woman case

Sera: Various things happened, my father dying being one of them...I took my Mother's last name, Sera
Conan: Then, before your last name became Sera, could it have been...
Sonoko(sees something red): Akai
-Sera and Conan are stunned-
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 24th, 2015, 9:37 am

Touichi Kuroba wrote:
Kor wrote:
Touichi Kuroba wrote:I wanna argue against this point.Why would Akai's surname in college be Sera since he still has Akai as his surname, why did he have it as Sera in college, why did he change back?I also don't want Shukichi as the Middle brother, he doesn't seem as good at deductions as the mid bro(though he could be like Shuu and might be holding them back)he also seems very careless.Whatever, I just hope that the mid bro is somebody else.


High school, not college.
But based on what have you decided Akai was the original surname? For all we know, the father's surname could have been completely different, and "Akai" is something Shuichi picked up.

This might not be concrete or anything, but in the red woman case

Sera: Various things happened, my father dying being one of them...I took my Mother's last name, Sera
Conan: Then, before your last name became Sera, could it have been...
Sonoko(sees something red): Akai
-Sera and Conan are stunned-


This could be chalked up to two things. One, it could be that simply Masumi knows some of the case details that she got from the brother that she spoke to over the phone, or did some sort of research about the past of the area the case is in. Two, she could actually know the name that her brother changed name to, but lies and says that the doesn't.

Conan is of course shocked because he was about to ask a question, and most likely that would have been the next word that he was going to say. However, because we don't know that for sure... It could also be that he simply reacts because he knows someone named Akai that no one else is supposed to know about because he is alive, when everyone is supposed to think he is dead.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » February 24th, 2015, 9:56 am

My apologies for violating the manga link rules, and for not double checking what you read.
Kor wrote:]Delivery Service: We see Okiya's phone very clearly.

You're right—Shuichi's/Subaru's phone looks pretty much identical to the Middle Brother's... still, until we see Shukichi's phone, for me, the jury's still out on Akai being the Middle Brother.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 24th, 2015, 1:42 pm

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The other thing that does not get pointed out very often from the picture of the middle brother's hand is the black sleeve. Since it is shown in the picture reaching all the way down to his wrist, it is pretty obviously a long sleeve black shirt of some kind. We know that Akai as Okiya Subaru has worn long sleeve black shirts on many occasions

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These next two are even from the same case. Showing us that Okiya has both a black long sleeve shirt and a black smart phone.
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And then finally the one from the most recent Shogi case, when most people would only be looking at the fact that Okiya and Mystery Girl know Shuukichi, we again see another long sleeve black shirt
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby k11chi » February 24th, 2015, 1:54 pm

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
Spoiler:
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The other thing that does not get pointed out very often from the picture of the middle brother's hand is the black sleeve. Since it is shown in the picture reaching all the way down to his wrist, it is pretty obviously a long sleeve black shirt of some kind. We know that Akai as Okiya Subaru has worn long sleeve black shirts on many occasions

Spoiler:
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These next two are even from the same case. Showing us that Okiya has both a black long sleeve shirt and a black smart phone.
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And then finally the one from the most recent Shogi case, when most people would only be looking at the fact that Okiya and Mystery Girl know Shuukichi, we again see another long sleeve black shirt
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That does seem suspicious...
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby SilverBullet-sama » February 24th, 2015, 2:38 pm

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:The other thing that does not get pointed out very often from the picture of the middle brother's hand is the black sleeve. Since it is shown in the picture reaching all the way down to his wrist, it is pretty obviously a long sleeve black shirt of some kind. We know that Akai as Okiya Subaru has worn long sleeve black shirts on many occasions


Spoiler:
Haneda Shuukichi is seen wearing a Black, long-sleeved jacket during the Shogi case, in the flashback where he met Yumi, 2 days before the tournament- File 899.

The sleeve is indeed worth looking into. This detail, although meticulous, can be very random sometimes, hence it can deceive us. I looked through some of the cases, and many people seem to wear long sleeved shirts. Since the pattern is random, Okiya's black shirts, a recurring event, must be the most famous and so your clothing argument is still valid, but let us find more concrete evidence.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 24th, 2015, 6:15 pm

SilverBullet-sama wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:The other thing that does not get pointed out very often from the picture of the middle brother's hand is the black sleeve. Since it is shown in the picture reaching all the way down to his wrist, it is pretty obviously a long sleeve black shirt of some kind. We know that Akai as Okiya Subaru has worn long sleeve black shirts on many occasions


Haneda Shuukichi is seen wearing a Black, long-sleeved jacket during the Shogi case, in the flashback where he met Yumi, 2 days before the tournament- File 899.
The sleeve is indeed worth looking into. This detail, although meticulous, can be very random sometimes, hence it can deceive us. I looked through some of the cases, and many people seem to wear long sleeved shirts. Since the pattern is random, Okiya's black shirts, a recurring event, must be the most famous and so your clothing argument is still valid, but let us find more concrete evidence.


Ahh, I completely forgot about his flashbacks when I went to go look for his outfits...
It seems also in the first case he was a part of, at the very end there is a flash back to "several years ago" in which it looks like he is wearing a black shirt under his jacket (the same way that Okiya does a few times).

Either way, the black shirt thing was worth bringing up as it was apart of what we know about the middle brother.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby syuusuke09 » February 25th, 2015, 9:52 am

Going with the unknown child. He may be a grown teenager also but aptx shrink hiim.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby AwD4869 » February 26th, 2015, 6:01 am

I think at this point Gosho really accelerates the manga. Bourbon's arc was to long and many fan's was complaining about it. The last cases shown huge developments and I don't think Gosho would introduce a middle brother if there wasn't one, it would be a waste of time he doesn't need. Still, I could be totally wrong on this ;-) ^^
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Kor » February 26th, 2015, 6:57 pm

Since we know mid bro (if he exists) has a black smartphone, I decided to find all the black smartphones since Sera's introduction just in case. I still find OkiyAkai to be the only valid option out of these, but if you feel like you can make a case for another one from the list, go for it :P

Here's the full list:
Okiya, Conan, Gin, Vermouth, Kuroda, Heiji, Camel, male suspect from aquarium flashback case, and Shiratori.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Touichi Kuroba » February 27th, 2015, 4:05 am

Kor wrote:Since we know mid bro (if he exists) has a black smartphone, I decided to find all the black smartphones since Sera's introduction just in case. I still find OkiyAkai to be the only valid option out of these, but if you feel like you can make a case for another one from the list, go for it :P

Here's the full list:
Okiya, Conan, Gin, Vermouth, Kuroda, Heiji, Camel, male suspect from aquarium flashback case, and Shiratori.

Maybe it could be Gin?Black phone, good at Deductions, he fits decently well lol.I don't think so, though
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby rocketpropelledbear » February 27th, 2015, 5:40 am

Touichi Kuroba wrote:
Kor wrote:Since we know mid bro (if he exists) has a black smartphone, I decided to find all the black smartphones since Sera's introduction just in case. I still find OkiyAkai to be the only valid option out of these, but if you feel like you can make a case for another one from the list, go for it :P

Here's the full list:
Okiya, Conan, Gin, Vermouth, Kuroda, Heiji, Camel, male suspect from aquarium flashback case, and Shiratori.

Maybe it could be Gin?Black phone, good at Deductions, he fits decently well lol.I don't think so, though


If I recall correctly during Haneda Shukichi's first apperance, Conan tricked everyone to take out their handphones and Haneda Shukichi's phone was black as well but that is only in the anime though, in the manga he was not shown taking out his phone. Anyway I really hope this mid bro has some relevance to the main plot, not just an attempt briefly confuse us readers. I think Shukichi makes a decent fit for the middle brother's profile, but the fact that he is hiding from his sister regarding his jobs and whereabouts does not exactly add up, I mean why would you want to hide that fact that you are some pro-chess player from your family? Of course there is also a possibility that a middle brother exists but Masumi is in fact unknowingly in contact with Subaru instead of the middle brother, I don't think she knows for sure that Subaru is Akai. Or maybe she is unknowingly in contact with Subaru, but Subaru is actually a two-men act consisting of the two Akai brothers, if Subaru is a two-men act it would somewhat explain why he appeared to be right handed and seemly solved a case before Conan during Kudo Yusaku's cold case(Akai is shown to be as smart as Conan, not smarter), although I find this theory to be a bit unlikely. Actually I hope the middle brother is a character not yet introduced, it would make the most sense as far as I am concerned. Because he is extremely intelligent(possibly smarter than Conan), he might be in hiding and he appears to be pretty free, no character totally fits this mold so far.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 27th, 2015, 12:13 pm

rocketpropelledbear wrote:If I recall correctly during Haneda Shukichi's first apperance, Conan tricked everyone to take out their handphones and Haneda Shukichi's phone was black as well but that is only in the anime though, in the manga he was not shown taking out his phone.


In the anime version, when Conan gets them to pull out their phones, It does not show Shuukichi's phone. The blue and black phones that he camera zooms in on are the Father and Sons phones. All we get to see from Shuukichi is that he reached into his coat thing and attempt to pull something out, but the camera zooms in on the other phones before we get to see it. By the next frame he is in, he has already put it away (episode 732 if anyone else wants to check)
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Commi-Ninja » February 27th, 2015, 3:45 pm

Ah, it's totally Shiratori. We haven't seen him in ages!

Of that list, I have to agree that OkiyAkai is the most likely suspect, and thus that the middle brother doesn't exist.
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