Mystery Poll: Community stats so far

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Mystery Poll: Community stats so far

Postby Kor » February 22nd, 2015, 4:11 pm

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Welcome to the Mystery Poll!

Whenever there's a break in the publication of the manga, there will be a new week-long poll regarding one of the ongoing mysteries in the series. By the end of the week, we'd be able to see what most of the community think is the truth behind the mystery.
After the week's over, I'll put the results in the first post (and a new poll will be added in case the break is longer than just one week).

Feel free to post what you voted and explain why you voted for it.

You're also welcome to suggest what mystery the next poll should be about.

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Poll #1:

Who is Masumi's 2nd brother?

Results:

Shuukichi - 71% (42 votes)
The unknown child - 3% (2 votes)
Another existing character - 8% (5 votes)
A character that wasn't introduced yet - 3% (2 votes)
The 2nd brother doesn't exist. Sera's been in contact with Akai. - 7% (4 votes)
The 2nd brother doesn't exist. Sera's been contacting someone else. - 7% (4 votes)

Overall votes: 59

Date started: 02/22/15
Date ended: 03/01/15
Manga status: File #919

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Poll #2:

Who is the Unknown Child?

Masumi's shrunken mother - 81% (34 votes)
Masumi's shrunken middle brother - 0% (0 votes)
Shrunken Elena - 5% (2 votes)
None of the above, but s/he's definitely shrunken - 2% (1 vote)
A sibling of Masumi - 0% (0 votes)
A half sibling of Masumi - 2% (1 vote)
A relative of Masumi - 7% (3 votes)
Someone related to the rich friend of Masumi's father - 0% (0 votes)
A friend of Masumi - 2% (1 vote)
A Black Organization member - 0% (0 votes)
Member of a certain agency - 0% (0 votes)

Overall votes: 42

Date started: 03/01/15
Date ended: 03/08/15
Manga status: File #919

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Poll #3:

Which of these characters do you think has some sort of British connections/relations?

Bourbon - 27% (22 votes)
Sera Masumi - 37% (30 votes)
Unknown child - 29% (24 votes)
Rum - 6% (5 votes)
none - 1% (1 vote)

Total votes: 82

Date started: 03/08/15
Date ended: 03/17/15
Manga status: File #919

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Poll #4:

What's your speculation regarding Kuroda?

He's just an ordinary superintendent with a suspicious backstory - 11% (4 votes)
He's Rum - 11% (4 votes)
This isn't the real Kuroda. Rum switched with him places while in coma in order to get access to the national police agency - 17% (6 votes)
This isn't the real Kuroda. Someone (not BO related) switched places with him while in coma for some reason - 9% (3 votes)
He has connections to Amuro - 0% (0 votes)
He isn't from the BO, but he's tasked to investigate Conan - 9% (3 votes)
He's another some sort of an agent who will fight against the BO eventually - 40% (14 votes)
He's Shuichi's father - 0% (0 votes)
Something else (please explain) - 3% (1 vote)

Total votes: 35

Date started: 03/17/15
Date ended: 03/24/15
Manga status: File #920

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Poll #5:

What is/are your speculation/s regarding Rum's identity?

Kuroda - 15% (10 votes)
A person who switched places with Kuroda mid-coma - 16% (11 votes)
Unknown child - 1% (1 vote)
The shogi player who played against Shuukichi (Katsumata Chikara) - 3% (2 votes)
Fuzui Yuzuki - 6% (4 votes)
Sakurako - 3% (2 votes)
The old man (from vol 58) who made Camel ruin Akai's plan - 15% (10 votes)
Masumi's father - 6% (4 votes)
Matsumoto - 1% (1 vote)
Kansuke - 1% (1 vote)
Johnny Bipp - 1% (1 vote)
The owner of Cafe Poirot - 3% (2 votes)
Another character that appeared in the past - 16% (11 votes)
A character that wasn't introduced yet - 6% (4 votes)
It's not just one person, it's a group of three people - 4% (3 votes)
The rest of the options - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 67

Date started: 03/24/15
Date ended: 03/31/15
Manga status: File #920

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Poll #6:

What's Chiba's first name?

Keiji - 37% (10 votes)
He doesn't have a first name. It's just Chiba - 7% (2 votes)
Chiba. So it's Chiba Chiba - 4% (1 vote)
Isshin, like Chiba's voice actor - 30% (8 votes)
Kazunobu, an alternate reading of Chiba's voice actor's name - 11% (3 votes)
Gosho - 7% (2 votes)
Naeko - 4% (1 vote)
The rest of the options - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 27

Date started: 04/01/15
Date ended: 04/05/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #7:

Which characters do you think will die by the end?

Ai - 1% (1 vote)
Megure - 1% (1 vote)
Matsumoto - 1% (2 votes)
Akai - 3% (4 votes)
Jodie - 1% (1 vote)
James - 2% (3 votes)
Camel - 4% (6 votes)
Kir - 7% (10 votes)
Amuro - 2% (3 votes)
Shuukichi - 1% (1 vote)
Unknown child - 1% (1 vote)
Kuroda - 4% (5 votes)
Gin - 16% (21 votes)
Vodka - 5% (7 votes)
Vermouth - 16% (22 votes)
Chianti - 8% (11 votes)
Korn - 6% (8 votes)
Rum - 5% (7 votes)
The Boss - 11% (15 votes)
No one will die - 4% (5 votes)
The rest of the options - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 134

Date started: 04/07/15
Date ended: 04/13/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #8:

What do you think is the true purpose behind APTX 4869?

Reverse aging - 37% (11 votes)
Halt aging (immortality) - 33% (10 votes)
Extend human's lifespan - 20% (6 votes)
Cure diseases - 0% (0 votes)
Raise the dead - 3% (1 vote)
A deadly poison - 0% (0 votes)
Something else - 7% (2 votes)

Total votes: 30

Date started: 04/13/15
Date ended: 04/20/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #9:

Which one of the current ongoing mysteries do you think Gosho will resolve first?

Masumi's connection to Shinichi and Ran - 53% (68 votes)
The identity of Masumi's 2nd brother - 17% (22 votes)
The identity of the unknown child who lives with Masumi - 12% (16 votes)
Amuro's past - 5% (6 votes)
Rum's identity - 4% (5 votes)
The ordeal between Scotch, Amuro and Akai - 4% (5 votes)
Kuroda's past - 2% (3 votes)
Vermouth's secret - 2% (2 votes)
The identities of the 2 mothers/sisters Gosho hinted at - 1% (1 vote)
Itakura's program - 1% (1 vote)

Total votes: 129

Date started: 04/20/15
Date ended: 04/27/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #10:

What's your speculation regarding the general history of Amuro/Bourbon?

He grew up in Japan where he met Elena. Later he joined the secret police and infiltrated the Organization - 42% (32 votes)
He grew up inside the Black Organization in Japan where he met Elena. Later he was recruited to the Secret Police and became a double agent - 21% (16 votes)
He grew up in the UK where he met Elena. Later he came to Japan, joined the secret police and infiltrated the Organization - 19% (15 votes)
He grew up inside the Black Organization in the UK where he met Elena. Later he came to Japan, was recruited to the secret police and became a double agent - 10% (8 votes)
He grew up in another country not listed above. Later he came to Japan, joined the secret police and infiltrated the Organization - 6% (5 votes)
He grew up inside the Black Organization in another country not listed above. Later he came to Japan, was recruited to the secret police and became a double agent 1% (1 vote)

Total votes: 77

Date started: 04/27/15
Date ended: 05/04/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #11:

Who do you think are the two mothers that according to Gosho, will be revealed to be sisters?

Masumi's mother and Elena - 32% (54 votes)
Elena and Amuro's mother - 29% (49 votes)
Masumi's mother and Yukiko - 14% (24 votes)
Masumi's mother and Amuro's mother - 6% (11 votes)
Another option with plot related characters - 6% (10 votes)
Elena and Yukiko - 5% (8 votes)
Yukiko and Chikage - 3% (5 votes)
Another option, but it will just be a trivial thing and not related to the plot - 3% (5 votes)
Eri and Masumi's mother - 1% (2 votes)
Eri and Amuro's mother - 1% (1 vote)
Eri and Elena - 1% (1 vote)
Amuro's mother and Yukiko - 0% (no votes)
Ayumi's mother and Satou's mother - 0% (no votes)

Total votes: 170

Date started: 05/04/15
Date ended: 05/11/15
Manga status: File 920

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Poll #12:

Who do you think will be the next character to discover Conan's true identity?

Amuro - 43% (33 votes)
Jodie - 16% (12 votes)
Kuroda - 10% (8 votes)
Rum - 10% (8 votes)
Ran - 9% (7 votes)
Takagi - 8% (6 votes)
A new character 4% (3 votes)
The rest of the options - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 77

Date started: 06/08/15
Date ended: 06/15/15
Manga status: File 924

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Poll #13:

What do you think is the secret connection between Vermouth and the Boss?

Some other form of connection - 26% (15 votes)
She's the Boss's daughter - 21% (12 votes)
She's the Boss's mother - 14% (8 votes)
She's the Boss's lover - 10% (6 votes)
She's the Boss's adopted daughter - 5% (3 votes)
She's the Boss's favorite member - 5% (3 votes)
She's the Boss's wife - 3% (2 votes)
Some other sort of family relation - 3% (2 votes)
She's the Boss's best friend - 3% (2 votes)
She's the Boss's favorite actress - 3% (2 votes)
They don't have a secret connection - 3% (2 votes)
She's the Boss's sister - 2% (1 vote)
She's the Boss's granddaughter - 0% (0 votes)
She's the Boss's grandmother - 0% (0 votes)

Date started: 06/15/15
Date ended: 06/29/15
Manga status: 924

Total votes: 58

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Poll #14:

What do you think is Rum's main objective?

Find infiltrators or traitors in the organization - 53% (30 votes)
Infiltrate the police or other places of importance in order to gain special info or influence - 14% (8 votes)
Something else related to the internal affairs of the organization - 11% (6 votes)
Locate and/or investigate the child who lives with Sera - 5% (3 votes)
Something related to the boss - 5% (3 votes)
Something related to the drug - 4% (2 votes)
Something else - 4% (2 votes)
Investigate Conan - 2% (1 vote)
Investigate Sherry's death - 2% (1 vote)
Rum is also an infiltrator in the organization so Rum is also acting against it - 2% (1 vote)

Poll started: 06/24/15
Poll ended: 07/01/15
Manga status: 924

Total votes: 57

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Poll #15:

What do you think happened with Scotch?

Akai was indirectly responsible for Scotch's death - 53% (32 votes)
Akai killed Scotch - 18% (11 votes)
Scotch is actually still alive, but Amuro doesn't know about it - 13% (8 votes)
Akai learned Scotch was a spy and informed the organization, and then Scotch was killed - 7% (4 votes)
Akai had nothing to do with Scotch's death. Amuro misunderstood - 7% (4 votes)
Scotch killed himself once he was found to be a spy - 2% (1 vote)

Total votes: 60

Poll started: 07/01/15
Poll ended: 07/06/15
Manga status: 924

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Poll #16:

Which characters do you think will also get a romance story?

Amuro - 12% (24 votes)
Azusa - 10% (20 votes)
Yoko - 9% (18 votes)
Sakurako - 7% (14 votes)
other - 7% (14 votes)
Camel - 6% (11 votes)
Komei; Hideo - each got 5% (9 votes)
Eisuke; Mystery girl; Araide - each got 4% (8 votes)
Yamamura; The boss - each got 4% (7 votes)
Kir; Vermouth - each got 3% (6 votes)
Otaki; Gin; Vodka; Chianti - each got 2% (4 votes)
James; Sango; Jogo; Korn - each got 1% (2 votes)

Total votes: 198

Poll started: 07/06/15
Poll ended: 07/13/15
Manga status: 924

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Poll #17:

How long do you think the Rum arc will be?

3 years - 30% (19 votes)
4 years - 21% (13 votes)
2 years - 14% (9 votes)
5 years - 10% (6 votes)
Over 10 years - 10% (6 votes)
1 year - 6% (4 votes)
7 years - 6% (4 votes)
6 years - 2% (1 vote)
10 years - 2% (1 vote)
8 years - 0% (0 votes)
9 years - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 63 votes

Poll started: 07/13/15
Poll ended: 07/20/15
Manga status: 924

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Poll #18:

What do you think Rum's appearance will be like in Movie 20?


Rum will merely appear as a vague or shadowy figure - 34% (23 votes)
A bunch of recurring characters will make an appearance in the film and one of them is Rum - 18% (12 votes)
Rum's voice will be heard - 10% (7 votes)
Rum's voice will be heard, but it will be distorted - 9% (6 votes)
Rum will just be mentioned and won't make an actual appearance - 9% (6 votes)
A glass of rum will appear in the film, not the actual member - 7% (5 votes)
Rum's identity will be revealed - 6% (4 votes)
One of the random extras in the film will be Rum - 3% (2 votes)
New Rum suspects will make an appearance in the film - 1% (1 vote)
Lum will appear, not Rum - 1% (1 vote)
There will be no Rum appearance - 1% (1 vote)

Total votes: 68

Poll started: 10/13/15
Poll ended: 10/20/15
Manga status: 935

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Poll #19:

Who do you think is the character with the odd eyes that is hinted at the latest movie 20 promotional video?


Rum - 44% (38 votes)
A movie only character - 33% (28 votes)
Those eyes are just there to generate hype but there won't be any character like that in the movie - 13% (11 votes)
It's part of a disguise - 7% (6 votes)
A recurring character that didn't get introduced yet in the manga - 2% (2 votes)
An already existing character - 1% (1 vote)

Total votes: 86

Poll started: 11/08/15
Poll ended: 11/16/15
Manga status: 938

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Poll #20:

What do you will be the eventual situation in retrospective with Shuichi and Akemi dating?

The two families are related, but it will be revealed that Akemi isn't Elena's biological daughter, and she's a half sibling of Shiho, so there technically wasn't any cousin dating - 29% (16 votes)
The Akai family and the Miyano family aren't related to each other, so nothing's changed with their situation - 25% (14 votes)
The Akais and the Miyanos are related, so Shuichi and Akemi were cousins and dated each other - 23% (13 votes)
The two families are related, but it will be revealed Akemi was adopted, so technically there was no cousin dating - 23% (13 votes)

Total votes: 56

Poll started: 01/11/16
Poll ended: 01/19/16
Manga status: 945

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Poll #21:

What do you think was the affiliation of Shuichi's father?

He was in the Black Organization - 38% (24 votes)
A Japanese agency - 9% (6 votes)
He was a regular person with no affiliation - 9% (6 votes)
Something else - 9% (6 votes)
MI6 - 8% (5 votes)
CIA - 6% (4 votes
A detective - 6% (4 votes)
Interpol - 5% (3 votes)
Some other intelligence agency - 5% (3 votes)
A police officer - 5% (3 votes)

Total votes: 64

Poll started: 02/25/16
Poll ended: 03/06/16
Manga status: 950

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Poll #22:

Who do you think is Wakasa Rumi?

Asaka (but not Rum) - 37% (35 votes)
Someone else related in some way to the case (or the victims) from 17 years ago - 20% (19 votes)
A member of the NPA or the PSB - 15% (14 votes)
She's Rum - 10% (9 votes)
Vermouth - 5% (5 votes)
Another new BO agent or a BO goon - 5% (5 votes)
An agent of another intelligence agency - 4% (4 votes)
A red herring character who has nothing to do with anything - 3% (3 votes)

Total votes: 94

Poll started: 11/28/16
Poll ended: 04/17/17
Manga status: 992

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Poll #23:

What's Kaito Corbeau's identity?

Toichi - 55% (31 votes)
Chikage - 25% (14 votes)
The "nice man" Chikage found in Vegas - 5% (3 votes)
Some never seen before member of the Kuroba family - 5% (3 votes)
A colleague of Toichi - 4% (2 votes)
Someone completely unrelated - 4% (2 votes)
Jii - 2% (1 vote)

Total votes: 56

Poll started: 04/17/17
Poll ended: 06/14/17
(Kid) Manga status: 36

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Poll #24:

How long do you think the Rum arc will be? (II)

4 years - 29% (20 votes)
7 years - 29% (20 votes)

5 years - 18% (12 votes)
8 years - 10% (7 votes)
6 years - 9% (6 votes)
Over 10 years - 4% (3 votes)
9 years - 0% (0 votes)
10 years - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 68

Poll started: 06/14/17
Poll ended: 06/24/17
Manga status: 996

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Poll #25:

What's your speculation regarding Rum's identity? (II)

Katsumata Chikara - 33% (28 votes)
A new character that hasn't appeared yet - 14% (12 votes)
A person who switched places with Kuroda mid-coma - 10% (9 votes)
Wakita Kanenori - 9% - (8 votes)
Wakasa Rumi - 8% (7 votes)
Kuroda Hyoue - 6% (5 votes)
Asaka (the bodyguard), who hasn't appeared yet - 6% (5 votes)
Momiji's butler - 5% (4 votes)
The old man (from vol 58) who made Camel ruin Akai's plan - 5% (4 votes)
Another character that appeared in the past - 3% (3 votes)
Sakurako - 1% (1 vote)
Mary - 0% (0 votes)

Total votes: 86

Poll started: 06/25/17
Poll ended: 09/17/17
Manga status: 1004

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Poll #26:

Out of Rumi, Wakita and Kuroda, who do you think is the most likely to be Rum?

Wakita Kanenori - 50% (84 votes)
Wakasa Rumi - 32% (53 votes)
Kuroda Hyoue - 18% (30 votes)

Total votes: 167

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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 22nd, 2015, 5:16 pm

I voted "in contact with Akai" for the reasons mentioned here : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12432

anyone and everyone feel free to disagree with me, but I am going to stick with this until there is something more to tie other characters, like Shuukichi, to them other than knowledge that they exist and smiling.
I hope that I can find someway to contribute to the community even if it's just random crack theories and looking things up for people who can't find the information they need.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Kor » February 22nd, 2015, 5:48 pm

Also voted for the 5th option (contact with Akai).
While such solution may be meaningless overall, it's the one that makes the most sense to me. Plus, it'd be the best case scenario regarding this mystery.

Shuukichi always seemed to me like a big red herring.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Commi-Ninja » February 22nd, 2015, 6:57 pm

I used to think he didn't exist and she was in contact with Akai, but something (can't remember right off what it was) suggested the second brother was real, so I'm going with Shuukichi for now.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Jecka » February 23rd, 2015, 12:14 am

Last option. I think she's just in contact with someone who is in contact with Akai.

I wonder if he could be a brother figure and he and Akai are just really close.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby k11chi » February 23rd, 2015, 2:48 am

It has to be Shuukichi... I remember when people were sure that it was Amuro now that I think about it.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby SilverBullet-sama » February 23rd, 2015, 3:10 am

I voted for Shuukichi even though I have trouble believing this since it is too obvious. Aoyama-sensei always makes us fall for the obvious and then pull another unexpected reality. I voted Shuukichi because I did not see an evidence that supports the other choices, unless coming chapters will suggest otherwise.
I find it hard to believe that Sera is in contact with Akai personally since she believes he is dead (Mystery Train confrontation with Scar Akai/Vermouth in disguise is a proof) UNLESS:
1-She is in contact with Akai but does not know he is Akai... but what is the point? maybe Akai is posing as the second brother? For what reason?
2-She is in contact with Akai and knows he is not dead, but does not know he is disguising as Okiya and was faking whatever she said to Vermouth.. (Indeed she seems not to recognize Okiya and doubts him, but what is the point of her tricking Vermouth? Akai is making an effort to work alone not to endanger anyone, why endanger his own sister?)
3-She is in contact with Akai and knows he is Okiya.. Oh well, again I don't find it subtle. If she knows Okiya is Akai then what is the point of having a listening device during the Detectives' Nocturne case if Okiya is already listening to something (but again, I am not sure if they were listening to the same thing back then).

One of the things that bother me is Conan's reaction to all of this. Back during the Mermaid/Kaito Kid's case, when Sera was talking about her older dead Shu-nii's hat, Conan's reaction was suspicion (File 830/Episode 725). Am I the only one who is wondering why?
I am interested in your thoughts!
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » February 23rd, 2015, 3:36 am

SilverBullet-sama wrote:I find it hard to believe that Sera is in contact with Akai personally since she believes he is dead (Mystery Train confrontation with Scar Akai/Vermouth in disguise is a proof) UNLESS:
1-She is in contact with Akai but does not know he is Akai... but what is the point? maybe Akai is posing as the second brother? For what reason?
2-She is in contact with Akai and knows he is not dead, but does not know he is disguising as Okiya and was faking whatever she said to Vermouth.. (Indeed she seems not to recognize Okiya and doubts him, but what is the point of her tricking Vermouth? Akai is making an effort to work alone not to endanger anyone, why endanger his own sister?)
3-She is in contact with Akai and knows he is Okiya.. Oh well, again I don't find it subtle. If she knows Okiya is Akai then what is the point of having a listening device during the Detectives' Nocturne case if Okiya is already listening to something (but again, I am not sure if they were listening to the same thing back then).


The way I see it, maybe she is in contact with Akai and knows that he is alive, but for her, this is only recent knowledge. This would explain why she is never shown talking to any "brother" on the phone before Train case. On top of that, she doesn't know his current location or that he is in disguise. Someone had to have originally told her that Akai was dead, and because of that she would know not to mention who she was talking with. For that reason, in the Adultery case where she is very first shown contacting someone on the outside by phone, she does not say who she is talking with.

The big error in Masumi's movements is that she was overheard by Eri when talking on the phone before the case, when she thought that there would be no one connected to her, Conan's group, or the case present to overhear things. It was only because Eri came by early that we even have information that indicates that she was talking to a "nii-san" (brother). When Conan asks about it later, he specifically asks about her talking to her "brother". Because Conan had knowledge that it was a "brother" she couldn't say otherwise without being suspicious. Because she couldn't deny that fact, she had to create a new brother, or pretend that she was talking to a living brother that we wouldn't have known about before now. I'm not saying that Shuukichi isn't related to the family (although I would like it if he wasn't), all I am saying is that I think that Akai is the person she is talking to on the phone.

For example: one possible scenario, Shuukichi could be related to the family, Masumi could be talking to Akai on the phone, but then pretending that Akai is Shuukichi and attributing qualities of one brother on to the other when others ask about the "brother" she is talking to on the phone. She certainly couldn't say that she is talking to Akai, now could she?

(I could go further into detail, but it starts to become a jumbled mess because I have difficulty explaining things without going on tangents)
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Kor » February 23rd, 2015, 5:15 am

One thing we know Gosho does well is pacing and spreading hints. Each Sera case has relevance to at least one of her ongoing mysteries (1. 2nd bro. 2. mystery kid. 3. history with Shinichi and Ran). I made a time line with how Gosho possibly hinted that Sera has been in contact with Akai. (note: my biased language in the timeline is intentional.)

The Blush Mermaid: Sera asks about the hat Ran picked up. After this case, Sera doesn't concern herself with her dead brother appearing in front of her anymore. (which is pretty peculiar).
Delivery Service: We see Okiya's phone very clearly.
Yumi's Love Story: Red herring Shuukichi is introduced.
Steamy Relations: We find out Sera talked on the phone with her brother.
Suspect Makoto: Sera has more contact with her brother. Brother has the same phone as Okiya. Also she mentions the mid bro for the first time.
Red Woman: Sera makes up more lies about her brotherly situation.
Shogi Case: The return of Shuukichi red herring. Okiya smiles and trolling. MG joins the trolling.


Why do I say Shuukichi is a red herring? Because Gosho practically screams at us (especially in the last Shogi case) "Suspect him! Look, Okiya's smiling. Suspect him dammit!". It's in the same line of Okiya drinking Bourbon at the beginning of the Bourbon arc so we'd think Okiya's Bourbon.
Later it was revealed Akai likes to drink Bourbon, so for all we know, it can be revealed later that Akai likes Shogi and MG is Shuukichi's biggest fan. Just because the two were maybe glad Shuukichi won doesn't mean they are related to him, and it could be just a giant misdirection on Gosho's part (he does it, you know).
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby SilverBullet-sama » February 23rd, 2015, 7:32 am

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:The way I see it, maybe she is in contact with Akai and knows that he is alive, but for her, this is only recent knowledge. This would explain why she is never shown talking to any "brother" on the phone before Train case. On top of that, she doesn't know his current location or that he is in disguise. Someone had to have originally told her that Akai was dead, and because of that she would know not to mention who she was talking with. For that reason, in the Adultery case where she is very first shown contacting someone on the outside by phone, she does not say who she is talking with.

I agree with your overall analysis, but I still have some concerns. Why would Akai do this? Akai hid his personality in order to not endanger the people around him (+ pursuit of BO). So why would he let Sera be in contact, ESPECIALLY after the Mystery Train thing? BO obviously know about Sera and now Bourbon is suspicious of Akai's survival. The possibility that BO will recheck Sera's reaction (and FBI Co) is still possible and I am sure Akai will take that into consideration. This is a question I have a problem answering.
PS: the only way to solve this mystery is to go on and dig stuff from tangents, but I am trying to minimize them too.

Kor wrote:One thing we know Gosho does well is pacing and spreading hints. Each Sera case has relevance to at least one of her ongoing mysteries (1. 2nd bro. 2. mystery kid. 3. history with Shinichi and Ran). I made a time line with how Gosho possibly hinted that Sera has been in contact with Akai. (note: my biased language in the timeline is intentional.)

Again, I agree. I only chose Shuukichi because I still have a problem with Sera contacting Akai.
I have concerns about Shuukichi being the second brother. My biggest concern is that he only met Conan once (supposedly, unless they know each other from the past?). I don't think this meeting is enough for him to go around and judge his intelligence.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Kor » February 23rd, 2015, 10:15 am

SilverBullet-sama wrote:I agree with your overall analysis, but I still have some concerns. Why would Akai do this? Akai hid his personality in order to not endanger the people around him (+ pursuit of BO).


Sera saw her dead brother appearing in front of her on the train. I assume Akai wanted to clear things up so she won't search for that persona (scar Akai) and won't look into it. Not telling her would be cruel and dangerous.

So why would he let Sera be in contact, ESPECIALLY after the Mystery Train thing? BO obviously know about Sera and now Bourbon is suspicious of Akai's survival. The possibility that BO will recheck Sera's reaction (and FBI Co) is still possible and I am sure Akai will take that into consideration.


Why recheck any of those parties? Sera was in disbelief and said she thought her brother was dead, so why recheck her? Moreover, all it takes for Akai is to just tell Sera "I'm alive and hiding, don't tell anyone. If you see me, it's probably someone in disguise" and then keep in contact with her.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Touichi Kuroba » February 23rd, 2015, 10:24 am

I had always thought something was wrong with the Shuukichi theory, that guy just seemed too care-free.Also, the Red Woman case makes things even more suspicious, let's say you meet your friend's sister after a long time, your friend is now a famous Shogi player, do you think they would not ask Sera or Atleast make a comment on that?This thread has made me even more sure, but the odds still seem to be with there being a 3rd sibling, just not Akai.I'll be reading all related cases before I form a concrete opinion on this.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby ThatLee4 » February 23rd, 2015, 11:15 am

I said an already existing character:

Subaru Okiya

I said Okiya because i still hope he himself is a charater. Not just Akai in disguise.

I believe Sera and Okiya's first meeting ha :'( s not been cleared up. As to why they reacted weired to eachother in the bathroom.

Aslo his will work as Shukkich being a red herring pretty well. Probably related to Kir. And i tjink Okiya is a cool character compared to AKia and is smarter i think. I would not like Gosho to just lose that character.

I think him and Sera met up and spoke about Akai being undercover hench why she is now silent about her brother being dead. This could had possibly happened on the Mystery Train story. When he carried her to that room.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby Max1996 » February 23rd, 2015, 11:16 am

He does not look like Shuichi Akai or Masumi Sera, who presumably resemble their mother. The middle brother looks more like their father.

The middle brother is older than Masumi, but younger than Shuichi. Neither of their ages have been revealed, but Masumi attends class with Ran and Shinichi who are 16-17, and Subaru Okiya claims to be 27. The brother's former high school classmates are currently 28 and 29 years old, suggesting that the brother is probably similarly aged. Although if that were the case, then Akai would be older than 27.

He is apparently in the middle of an important job and won't tell Masumi where he is.

He is very intelligent; note that Sera characterizes the already intelligent Akai as "strong" in contrast to the middle brother. He advises Masumi on cases via cellphone. He was able to correctly deduce over the phone that Masumi's deduction was unreliable in a bathroom murder case. While the middle brother is not a detective himself, his intelligence seems to be well-known among the students from his high school, as he apparently has solved some mysteries in his class during his time studying there.

In one panel, we see the middle brother responding to Masumi's message using his right hand and a black cellphone. Unless the brother is disguised, this would imply he has light skin. The use of the phone with the right hand is not an absolute indicator of handedness because sometimes characters with known handedness will use phones with their off hands.

The middle brother recognizes Conan and knows he is a good detective. After an exchange of information regarding deductions, the brother asked Masumi who she was referring to. Masumi shows the brother Conan's picture thinking he will be surprised. The brother replies back that "if it's him, then there's no problem". Masumi is very surprised and wonders how her brother knows Conan. Her suspicion makes sense because Conan didn't exist prior to Shinichi shrinking. The brother later sends another text to Masumi, which makes Masumi react "Ah, I see. So that's how it is."

According to Masumi, the middle brother's surname had been "Sera", which he got from his mother's side, until he graduated from high school. His current surname in the present timeline is presumably something else.


I go with Shuukichi being the middle brother, he just seems to fit the list of things we know about the middle brother from DCW the best.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Week #1

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » February 23rd, 2015, 11:42 am

Kor wrote:One thing we know Gosho does well is pacing and spreading hints. Each Sera case has relevance to at least one of her ongoing mysteries (1. 2nd bro. 2. mystery kid. 3. history with Shinichi and Ran). I made a time line with how Gosho possibly hinted that Sera has been in contact with Akai. (note: my biased language in the timeline is intentional.)

The Blush Mermaid: Sera asks about the hat Ran picked up. After this case, Sera doesn't concern herself with her dead brother appearing in front of her anymore. (which is pretty peculiar).
Delivery Service: We see Okiya's phone very clearly.
Yumi's Love Story: Red herring Shuukichi is introduced.
Steamy Relations: We find out Sera talked on the phone with her brother.
Suspect Makoto: Sera has more contact with her brother. Brother has the same phone as Okiya. Also she mentions the mid bro for the first time.
Red Woman: Sera makes up more lies about her brotherly situation.
Shogi Case: The return of Shuukichi red herring. Okiya smiles and trolling. MG joins the trolling.


Why do I say Shuukichi is a red herring? Because Gosho practically screams at us (especially in the last Shogi case) "Suspect him! Look, Okiya's smiling. Suspect him dammit!". It's in the same line of Okiya drinking Bourbon at the beginning of the Bourbon arc so we'd think Okiya's Bourbon.
Later it was revealed Akai likes to drink Bourbon, so for all we know, it can be revealed later that Akai likes Shogi and MG is Shuukichi's biggest fan. Just because the two were maybe glad Shuukichi won doesn't mean they are related to him, and it could be just a giant misdirection on Gosho's part (he does it, you know).

I agree with your reasoning, but I still voted for Shukichi being the middle brother—like I believed Subaru=Shuichi over Subaru=Bourbon, I believe Shukichi=Middle Brother over Shukichi=Shogi player who happens to be liked by Subaru/Shuichi and REALLY liked by the Mystery Girl.
Again, you could very well be right—the last couple panels at the end of the Shogi case could've been a big troll by Gosho (too obvious to be true)—and I wouldn't mind that, but I also wouldn't mind Shukichi being the middle brother (too obvious not to be true).
Also, has anyone compared Subaru's/Shuichi's phone in File 898 to Middle Brother's phone in File 860?
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