Mystery Poll: Poll #34

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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #29

Postby Kor » January 24th, 2018, 5:00 pm

Poll #29 is up
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #30

Postby Kor » February 20th, 2018, 5:55 am

Poll #30 is up
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #30

Postby MeiTanteixX » February 20th, 2018, 6:54 am

It's a "no" for now. Don't see any long-term setups with him.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #30

Postby Kor » June 30th, 2018, 11:46 am

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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby MeiTanteixX » June 30th, 2018, 12:34 pm

Wait until the latest chapter has been fully released and translated.... that should be the point where many fall for the bait. :x
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby Nemomon » June 30th, 2018, 12:50 pm

I still think/hope it's Chikara.
My dad’s a soldier blue I’ll be a soldier, too
When I grow older you will see me rescue you
I’ll teach you this old song so you can sing along
When I am dead and gone the day won’t be so long.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » June 30th, 2018, 5:51 pm

Nemomon wrote:I still think/hope it's Chikara.


So do I, but I won’t hold my breath.

MeiTanteixX wrote:Wait until the latest chapter has been fully released and translated.... that should be the point where many fall for the bait. :x


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Yeah, I saw that page, and thought, “that’s the most red herring of Hyōe Kuroda’s red herring moments, yet.”
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby Zerozaki4869 » July 8th, 2018, 7:42 am

Well, I'm sensing a pattern in the results. I did a previous poll on the same topic(i.e Rum's identity) and the percentage points came out very much alike. Wakita is at 37% just like my poll, Kuroda and Rumi together is polling around 23%-24% of votes. Kuroda marginally ahead of Rumi. And almost 40% of the respondents think that Rum is an outsider. Iori and Chikara are the polls but they together poll around 20%-21%, the new character option and the someone else polling around 15%. Rest are fragmented. Now the biggest talking point is that People who don't think that neither of the three Rum suspect is actually Rum, are a bit more in number than people who think Wakita is Rum. That's a big talking point. Wakita is a polarizing figure for sure. He's taking some people with him but his mere presence is driving people away from the three Rum suspects.(Kuroda and Rumi aren't Rum and some pretty logical and solid theories are behind them), There are also strong proof(though not as strong as Kuroda or Rumi) that Wakita is not Rum, but people do fall for that Yaiba hint.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby Tantei San » July 8th, 2018, 11:39 am

Most likely what drives people away from Wakita is the fact that a Serious character like RUM cant show such jolly nature and that's what causing irks , making people think that Wakita wont be rum, but thats exactly why he is rum. Able to throw people off guard is how he works.
Also there is a reason why he is near Mouri agency. i think its not Kogoro but Conan. Notice how Kuroda knows that Conan is behind kogoro. I reckon something similar is with RUM as well, and the reason he is asking Amuro about shinichi is well because he wants to confirm whether or not they are same or not.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby MeiTanteixX » July 8th, 2018, 9:21 pm

Tantei San wrote:Most likely what drives people away from Wakita is the fact that a Serious character like RUM cant show such jolly nature and that's what causing irks , making people think that Wakita wont be rum, but thats exactly why he is rum. Able to throw people off guard is how he works.
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with that logic, Muga gets the cake :-X
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #31

Postby Zerozaki4869 » July 8th, 2018, 10:36 pm

According to your logic, Sakurako,Iori,Tsutomu and Chikara all get the cake(sorry MTX).
To elaborate on the points mentioned there are strong evidence that he isn't Rum. First his name, second his get-up and third is his behaviour pattern.
His name is an Anagram of Tokiwa Kanenari=Time is money, an idiom quite often used by Rum.
Why would Rum use such a phrase to give way his identity? It's just like Kuroda-herring, Why would Kuroda know that Rei is Bourbon, so he's Rum.

a)Think of it in another way, it's more likely that Wakita wants to see a reaction of Kogoro regarding this name.

b)Why Wakita has an injured eye which allowed him a chance to meet Kogoro?(if he hadn't that supposed injury/illness, it wouldn't have been easy for him to meet Kogoro in the first place and also the mission to investigate Shinichi stuff.)
Now Rum has a prosthetic eye. Wakita seems to have one eye, it's also shown in Manga that after seeing Wakita Conan immediately thought of Rum.So Wakita is a a Rum candidate/someone who will evoke strong feelings from people who(the said people) know about Rum.
Would the real Rum paint a Bull's eye on his back??

c)Now Wakita is too clingy about becoming Kogoro's disciple. He is not as suave and tactical as Bourbon. Why the seconnd in command of a hidden organization would be such a tactless buffoon
Also the time when he heard about Shinichi cover-up he maneuvered his way into Agasa's house(the same Agasa who is an well known family friend of Kudos). The question here is, would a second in command from a secret organization be such an idiot to inform the family friend of his(Rum) target that people are interested in him(Shinichi)?(He could have asked the newspaper reporters, it would have been quite natural for him to do that. And Reporters focusing on a big break won't photograph small fries like a delivery man.)

d) Wakita is not a fool. Then why is he behaving like a fool if he's Rum. Why his acts are self defeating if he is Rum? Answer he isn't Rum, as simple as that. He's here to know how much Kogoro knows about Rum and to alert Shinichi via Agasa, that people are interested in him.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #32

Postby Kor » July 9th, 2018, 6:10 pm

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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #32

Postby sherry26 » July 10th, 2018, 8:05 am

Wakita is Tsutomu obviously. To those who think Kuroda is Tsutomu... How are you going to explain 'demon in the darkness' quote?
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #32

Postby Kor » July 10th, 2018, 8:37 am

sherry26 wrote:Wakita is Tsutomu obviously. To those who think Kuroda is Tsutomu... How are you going to explain 'demon in the darkness' quote?


Probably the same way you'd explain the quote if it applies to Wakita...? Not really seeing the issue here.
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Re: Mystery Poll: Poll #32

Postby sherry26 » July 10th, 2018, 9:38 am

Kor wrote:
sherry26 wrote:Wakita is Tsutomu obviously. To those who think Kuroda is Tsutomu... How are you going to explain 'demon in the darkness' quote?


Probably the same way you'd explain the quote if it applies to Wakita...? Not really seeing the issue here.

Okay here's what I believe. Mary quotes Tsutomu a lot. In the end of that Hotta Gaito murder case, Gin and Mary use the same quote.
Remember how Gosho reacted to the question about Tsutomu and gin knowing each other? Gin using his quote heavily implies that Tsutomu is infiltrating the organisation. Wakita could be Tsutomu in disguise who is sent by gin to investigate Kogoro. Haibara has already met Kuroda and she didn't sense any bo aura from him but still she hasn't met Wakita
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