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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby k11chi » December 24th, 2016, 1:20 pm

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For some reason I feel stupid with this case, I mean most of us expected him to be someone relevant to he plot with conan, heiji and bourbon in the same place.

But After seeing the latest spoiler ( quite disappointing ) we all were wrong, and he was just a stupid butler.

So the reason I feel stupid is because ever since after vermouth ark, nothing would happen plot related around heiji, I keep asking myself, why was I so excited for no reason, knowing that fact heiji is not really involved in the main plot, He only knows Conan is shinichi and have helped him a little bit, Conan will not tell him anything, so I should have been more logical with this, oh well, good job Gosho you fooled most of us !

Maybe Heiji was not involved with nothing at all in fact, he only helped Conan investigate Jodie, as a possible vermouth, and he helped with the halloween party, remind me if I missed anything

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First time Heiji appeared he gave us a hint for the APTX antidote then figured out Shinichi was Conan the next time after that one of the biggest misdirections Gosho ever used was when Heiji masked himself and was easily seen through by Kazuha while the next time he would get masked by Yukiko (same with Conan), also he investigated Hondou Eisuke in the Kir arc.
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby eros1607 » December 24th, 2016, 1:32 pm

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Heiji has not been involved in plot for 400 chapters, even indirectly, equivalent to 10 years and 40% of the manga for God shake. When a mysterious man appears and Amuro is there, everyone hopes Heiji will involve in the plot again, it turns out to be a setup for a love triangle. It maybe frustrating but let's hope Momiji and the butler may have some relation with BO, or maybe Momiji or the butler turns out to be an Akai although the latter may actually makes thing worse.
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Postby Swagnarok » December 24th, 2016, 4:40 pm

eros1607 wrote:
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Heiji has not been involved in plot for 400 chapters, even indirectly, equivalent to 10 years and 40% of the manga for God shake. When a mysterious man appears and Amuro is there, everyone hopes Heiji will involve in the plot again, it turns out to be a setup for a love triangle. It maybe frustrating but let's hope Momiji and the butler may have some relation with BO, or maybe Momiji or the butler turns out to be an Akai although the latter may actually makes thing worse.


To be fair, Heiji was never intended to play a big role in the plot. He wasn't anywhere to be found when Haibara was kidnapped at the hotel, or during the busjacking and the subsequent investigation of Vermouth (that one time at Jodie's apartment being the exception rather than the rule). His role as the decoy Shinichi was probably the most that he ever contributed to the main plot. He wasn't around during the Kir arc, or the Bourbon arc.
The reason for this, of course, is that it isn't his job to help Conan take down the BO. His job is simply to be Shinichi's counterpart, another high school detective in another part of the country who has his own love interest who's somewhat like Ran.
He was designed as an occasional "buddy" for Conan, for the two to get together once in a full moon and have two high school detectives working together to solve a case involving a haunted mansion or whatever.
Frankly, Heiji was designed as someone who should get his own spin-off series, thus making his appearances in DC more like a crossover.
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby passingthrough » January 10th, 2017, 2:20 pm

Crack theory :
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Wakasa Rumi and Scotch might be related. :o :o
1. They have the same eyelids, although Rumi's eyes seem to be rounder.
2. Scotch's name was never revealed, and he shot his phone in order to protect information about himself (and possibly relatives he had)

;D Though it's unlikely since there doesn't seem to be any reasons to give Scotch a relative. :P
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Postby RucyL » January 10th, 2017, 4:16 pm

passingthrough wrote: ;D Though it's unlikely since there doesn't seem to be any reasons to give Scotch a relative. :P


Gosho doesn't need a reason, he just loves connecting characters, like Eisuke and Kir, and the Akais. I'm sure there would be someone related (blood relative, friend, lover, whatever...) to Scotch in this arc. So this person might be Rumi, why not? :)
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Postby MeiTanteixX » January 10th, 2017, 4:29 pm

RucyL wrote:
passingthrough wrote: ;D Though it's unlikely since there doesn't seem to be any reasons to give Scotch a relative. :P


Gosho doesn't need a reason, he just loves connecting characters, like Eisuke and Kir, and the Akais. I'm sure there would be someone related (blood relative, friend, lover, whatever...) to Scotch in this arc. So this person might be Rumi, why not? :)

If anyone, I can see Naeko being that person(since their eyes are far more similar than Rumi's and Scotch's), plus, it could add another layer to why she joined the police(other than just Chiba), as well as Gosho's way of stalling by teasing us with this in future Chiba x Naeko cases.

Still, other than the eye-similarity(and similar jobs), there's really Nothing that ties them together, even a little bit. But I personally wouldn't mind this development.
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 11th, 2017, 10:03 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:
passingthrough wrote:Crack theory :
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Wakasa Rumi and Scotch might be related. :o :o
1. They have the same eyelids, although Rumi's eyes seem to be rounder.
2. Scotch's name was never revealed, and he shot his phone in order to protect information about himself (and possibly relatives he had)

;D Though it's unlikely since there doesn't seem to be any reasons to give Scotch a relative. :P


If anyone, I can see Naeko being that person(since their eyes are far more similar than Rumi's and Scotch's), plus, it could add another layer to why she joined the police(other than just Chiba), as well as Gosho's way of stalling by teasing us with this in future Chiba x Naeko cases.

Still, other than the eye-similarity(and similar jobs), there's really Nothing that ties them together, even a little bit. But I personally wouldn't mind this development.


If Scotch is going to turn out to be related to someone, I'd ultimately prefer Naeko over Rumi (though I wouldn't mind Rumi and Scotch being related). In either case, it'd give us a window, perhaps, into the explanation of how Scotch's cover was blown, and into a case that reveals the events that led to Scotch, Shuichi/Dai/Rye and Rei/Bourbon ending up on that roof.

I'm very much in favor of characters who get lambasted for not being plot relevant suddenly become plot relevant—if Naeko turns out to be Scotch's younger sister, then I think she'd be, at the very least, on a level comparable to that of Shukichi, in terms of plot relevance. It'd certainly put her above where she is, now. Rumi's already very much relevant to the plot.

RucyL wrote:Gosho doesn't need a reason, he just loves connecting characters, like Eisuke and Kir, and the Akais. I'm sure there would be someone related (blood relative, friend, lover, whatever...) to Scotch in this arc... why not? :)


Indeed—it certainly would be in character for Gosho to do this.
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby PhantomWriter » January 21st, 2017, 7:45 pm

Swagnarok wrote:It just seems off how many supposed first cousins don't know about each other. If Shuichi and Hidemi were that closely related, wouldn't they have recognised each other in "Black Impact" and "A Clash of Red and Black"? Whenever Shuichi first encountered Kir, wouldn't his first thought be "What's my cousin doing in the BO?"

If he already knew that she was a CIA agent, he would've told his colleagues as soon as she was captured. That he didn't do so means he didn't know, and his totally unsurprised reaction to Mizunashi Rena would imply that he had never met her prior to 425.


To be fair, I barely know my first cousins and wouldn't recognize them if I saw them. It's not common in the US for many people to be in contact with their extended families anymore. Part of it is cultural changes. People move around more compared to the past and how big the country is in terms of space, so that is an influence.

And, on top of that, they're both citizens of two different countries (UK and US), until Shuichi immigrated. Even though Shuichi went to the US for schooling, that doesn't mean all that much, because he'd have to go to the same region to have a chance of encountering Hidemi in the first place. If he went to school in New York and she was in California, it would be more of a stretch for them to have met at all.
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby Tantei San » January 22nd, 2017, 10:59 am

I don't know why but I have a feeling that probably Momiji's Father is related to BO, probably is the Boss, maybe. Thus, making Heiji join the main plot of the whole series.
Besides in the end Shinichi/Conan will need everyone's help to take down BO, be it Heiji,Kid,Amuro,Rena,Akai,Haibara,Kogoro,Eri etc, after all they are in the plot for some reason.
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Postby MeiTanteixX » January 22nd, 2017, 11:11 am

Tantei San wrote:I don't know why but I have a feeling that probably Momiji's Father is related to BO, probably is the Boss, maybe. Thus, making Heiji join the main plot of the whole series.
Besides in the end Shinichi/Conan will need everyone's help to take down BO, be it Heiji,Kid,Amuro,Rena,Akai,Haibara,Kogoro,Eri etc, after all they are in the plot for some reason.

I really hope so but I'm not sure Gosho intends to do this.

Even characters like Kobayashi, Takagi/Sato, Araide, Kansuke/Komei,...
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 22nd, 2017, 6:44 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:
Tantei San wrote:I don't know why but I have a feeling that probably Momiji's Father is related to BO, probably is the Boss, maybe. Thus, making Heiji join the main plot of the whole series.
Besides in the end Shinichi/Conan will need everyone's help to take down BO, be it Heiji,Kid,Amuro,Rena,Akai,Haibara,Kogoro,Eri etc, after all they are in the plot for some reason.

I really hope so but I'm not sure Gosho intends to do this.

Even characters like Kobayashi, Takagi/Sato, Araide, Kansuke/Komei,...


If Gosho still remembers him—as I recall, he once admitted that he'd forgotten about Tomoaki... which means, likely, that Gosho's main intent for him was to just be a disguise for Vermouth.

Still time to not completely waste this character, Gosho.
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Postby MeiTanteixX » January 22nd, 2017, 7:34 pm

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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Tantei San wrote:I don't know why but I have a feeling that probably Momiji's Father is related to BO, probably is the Boss, maybe. Thus, making Heiji join the main plot of the whole series.
Besides in the end Shinichi/Conan will need everyone's help to take down BO, be it Heiji,Kid,Amuro,Rena,Akai,Haibara,Kogoro,Eri etc, after all they are in the plot for some reason.

I really hope so but I'm not sure Gosho intends to do this.

Even characters like Kobayashi, Takagi/Sato, Araide, Kansuke/Komei,...


If Gosho still remembers him—as I recall, he once admitted that he'd forgotten about Tomoaki... which means, likely, that Gosho's main intent for him was to just be a disguise for Vermouth.

Still time to not completely waste this character, Gosho.

After admitting it, he said "Wakarimashita"("understood") if I remember the audio correctly. I hope that means something positive.
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » January 25th, 2017, 3:02 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:
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Tantei San wrote:I don't know why but I have a feeling that probably Momiji's Father is related to BO, probably is the Boss, maybe. Thus, making Heiji join the main plot of the whole series.
Besides in the end Shinichi/Conan will need everyone's help to take down BO, be it Heiji,Kid,Amuro,Rena,Akai,Haibara,Kogoro,Eri etc, after all they are in the plot for some reason.

I really hope so but I'm not sure Gosho intends to do this.

Even characters like Kobayashi, Takagi/Sato, Araide, Kansuke/Komei,...


If Gosho still remembers him—as I recall, he once admitted that he'd forgotten about Tomoaki... which means, likely, that Gosho's main intent for him was to just be a disguise for Vermouth.

Still time to not completely waste this character, Gosho.

After admitting it, he said "Wakarimashita"("understood") if I remember the audio correctly. I hope that means something positive.


As do I. *fingers crossed*
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Re: Possible Relation Theories (SPOILER!)

Postby Serinox » January 25th, 2017, 3:33 am

I doubt he will really make Araide appear again. Gosho said the same thing about him in 2015 or something, that he forgot him (which I doubt means he actually forgot him, but more like didn't actively think about him but was aware of that character's general existence) and at some point he said he had forgotten Makoto. I think that if Gosho had wanted to keep Araide around as a side character, he would've done it (unless Araide was axed because he was unpopular with the readership, like Eisuke supposedly was), and the fact that he has made no attempt to what so ever makes me really doubt that, even after he talked about him in the past.
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Postby MeiTanteixX » January 25th, 2017, 4:23 am

Serinox wrote:I doubt he will really make Araide appear again. Gosho said the same thing about him in 2015 or something, that he forgot him (which I doubt means he actually forgot him, but more like didn't actively think about him but was aware of that character's general existence) and at some point he said he had forgotten Makoto. I think that if Gosho had wanted to keep Araide around as a side character, he would've done it (unless Araide was axed because he was unpopular with the readership, like Eisuke supposedly was), and the fact that he has made no attempt to what so ever makes me really doubt that, even after he talked about him in the past.

the latest time he was asked about Araide was during the 2016 Signapore event right?
That's a pretty recent reminder that people want to see Araide again, and if he forgot about Makoto, and then later involved him in a Sera + Kid case(assuming that he was reminded of him before that), then I'd say the chances are a little higher that Araide might be inserted somehow in a case.
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''

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