Zerozaki4869 wrote:I fell like, that you're replying without getting the meaning of things which I had pointed out, so I'll elucidate my points again.
1) Akai Tsutomu wasn't with FBI. He also was very less likely to be with CIA.(As these two organizations need US citizenship.) So what could have been his profession? We only knew that he was a curious person who sometimes went too far for his curiosity.(How about a Crime reporter?[This trait is detrimental for Law Enforcement Organization agents and Bodyguards but is very adored in Reporters.])
2) You again misread my gripe. You said that Haneda could have past ties with Tsutomu Akai. I only asked you even if that was the case, why would he tell Haneda in the first place?
BTW you seem to ignore facts quite rampantly, It's stated in Manga that "Amanda was an avid Shogi fan and Haneda being the budding champion had good/cordial relationship with Amanda."
Shogi is the connection and don't for a moment consider Haneda as your average Joe.
3) The question is why Asaka is not considered a threat to BO while anything close to "U MASCARA" makes them jumpy?[Remember what Gin had to say, "That's a job which Rum screwed up, it doesn't concern me. I feel that Kogoro's involvement is quite suspicious so we will have to finish him if he becomes a threat." Gin is very aware and loyal to BO. If any info on Kohji case exposed BO, Gin would have said so. But it proves that the screw-up of the Kohji case is Rum's headache, which further substantiates that Asaka is also Rum's headache not organization's headache. Asaka is also considered the prime suspect of the case. If Asaka disappeared/flown from the scene and had info which would have incriminated Rum, then as a cascading effect BO also gets dragged in. Which isn't the case that means BO has nothing to be afraid about Asaka.]
On the Other-hand if "U MASCARA" constitutes a good part of Rum's romanized social name then it makes pretty obvious for BO to be jumpy and it also indicates that Haaneda was in a position to leave a dying message which could incriminate his killer.
4) The problem here is that you again failed to understand my gripe. You forced answers on certain unverified questions(Like Haneda had a Shogi shaped pill-case, APTX was in there, Haneda grabbed it with last bit of his strength,) all these are unlikely scenarios as such a pill-case wasn't confirmed to exist, Rum had the APTX with him so how did the pill case came to Haneda? Why Haneda didn't try to stab Rum with the scissors? How was Rum so sure that the pill-case was in his palm? Even if Rum removed it from him why BO is still wary about "U MUSCARA"?
5) I don't like people who theorize on "may-be, ifs and buts." BTW a messy room corroborates with defensive wounds on Haneda's body and the smashed stuff in his room.
Sure sure, thank you for restating and clarifying your points. Let's review and respond to each of your points following from 5 backwards:
(5) Okay, that is because you also ASSUME that the messy room was the working left uncleaned by RUM. I'm trying to point out there is no proof that RUM would leave the room messy because leaving the room messy would lead to suspicion and 'curious' people to look more into the case, which brings unwanted attention to this murder case if BO's intention was to eliminate both Amanda and Haneda without leaving a trace. Besides, if RUM really made such a big screw up I DOUBT he would be made No.2 later, it is not like BO not have strong agents like Gin and Vermouth, so if he was such weak a horse, why would the boss make him No.2? It makes no sense! (If I were the boss I'd gun him down myself if RUM screwed up so big this way... unless... RUM's my own child.) So, since nobody knew for sure what happened, it's only an ASSUMPTION that the messy room was the result of RUM fighting with Haneda then escaping without cleaning up. The messy room could be a scene set up made afterwards by someone who knew about BO and that person is likely to be Tsutomu who was involved in the case (to make news? who knows?)
(4) Yes, I'm assuming that Haneda had a pill-case containing APTX passed to him by Amanda because it would make sense. Why else would BO try to eliminate BOTH Amanda and Haneda? Amanda is an investor\financier so it's likely she also had involvement with BO by financing for APTX. BO found out her connections with FBI\CIA so they wanted to eliminate her; she knew her life was in danger so she must pass out whatever secret she kept in her hand (could be an APTX could be something else) to Haneda. After RUM murdered Amanda and searched the room (and cleaned up afterwards) without finding the stuff, RuM found out Amanda had contacted Haneda beforehand, so turned attention to Haneda for retrieving the thing. RUM likely fought with Haneda for it, which would explain Haneda's bruises. Why would RUM need to fight with Haneda and cause bruises instead of simply poisoning him with APTX as he\she did to Amanda if RUM was not after something that was with Haneda?
"Why Haneda didn't try to stab Rum with the scissors?" Is there any proof he DID NOT try to stab RUM with the scissors? Most likely he DID, which was the 'accident' that caused RUM to almost lose one eye (where would you stab a person with a scissor? in the eye of course, which probably look like how Kansuke Yamato (大和敢助) had an inverse A shaped scar in place of his left eye?)
(3) Okay, now I can read what you mean. So you're saying BO is not jumpy about Asaka but jumpy about the message U MASCARA, which constitutes a good part of Rum's romanized social name. Now explain why would Haneda know about RUM's romanized social name and know that name leads to RUM if Haneda was not acquainted with the person? By the way, only people who knew about the code name RUM would interpret the message leading to RUM so why would BO by jumpy about the message if the public does not know about them?? If it's just a romanized social name, it could be any name and refer to any person. (Say the name Bush was left at a crime scene, it would not necessary lead to a connection to President George Bush) Besides, there is no proof that what Conan assembled was the 'right' way to assemble the message (Asaca = RuM) could actually be (UMa Scar A).
(2)
"Amanda was an avid Shogi fan and Haneda being the budding champion had good/cordial relationship with Amanda."
Shogi is the connection and don't for a moment consider Haneda as your average Joe.
Yeah sure, so you think Shogi is the ONLY connection for the two to connect? And why you think Haneda would associate himself with Amanda if she was ONLY a Shogi fan? If you're a pro Shogi player you have so much time to acquaint yourself with all your fans? I'm claiming they know each other from before due to FAMILY connections and that the person responsible for putting together that connection could be Tsutomu Akai. Do you not find it strange that Akai and Sera had a 'middle' brother by the name Shukichi Haneda who was also a shogi player like Kohji Haneda and they both have the name
Haneda?
(1) Sure, to be an FBI or CIA require US citizenship but that does not mean you cannot be friends or acquaintance with someone in FBI or CIA like Amanda who wasn't FBI or CIA but knew people in FBI or CIA, and it could be the same case for Akai Tsutomu. Also, I like the idea of a Crime reporter... it's like Kir who operates under alias of Rena Mizunashi, a TV reporter. By the way, strange nobody seemed to take notice of an unknown old man who appeared in the Shiranpuri Case (Manga: 605-609, Anime: 501-504) who "appeared during Shuichi Akai's final loyalty test while he was waiting for Gin to arrive. FBI agent Andre Camel emerged from his hiding place to scare him away, thinking he was just an ordinary old man. Since Gin never appeared, it was very likely the old man was a member of the Black Organization who was sent to scout ahead and reported that "Dai Moroboshi" was a spy."