What's the identity of Rum?

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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby haibaralove » December 7th, 2016, 9:59 am

I don't want to know any spoilers about Rum...like who is he or who he maybe...but i want to ask one question ???

Rum has strong built,feminine and maybe old...as per Haibara..this is the only thing I know

Did Gosho ever said that Rum has already appeared before(the episodes even before Haibara mentioned about him) ???

just want to know..so that i can shortlist my suspect list ;)

thank you :)
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby Tantei San » December 7th, 2016, 10:06 am

Well we can't say it as a proof due to his LUM-RUM pun? !! If he has then maybe.!!
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby MeiTanteixX » December 7th, 2016, 10:08 am

haibaralove wrote:I don't want to know any spoilers about Rum...like who is he or who he maybe...but i want to ask one question ???

Rum has strong built,feminine and maybe old...as per Haibara..this is the only thing I know

Did Gosho ever said that Rum has already appeared before(the episodes even before Haibara mentioned about him) ???

just want to know..so that i can shortlist my suspect list ;)

thank you :)

He said that Rum has already appeared,... HOWEVER....during that time, he drew "Lum" dressed as a BO member(to make a pun on the pronunciation of "Rum"), so it's assumed by many that it was joke referring to the "Rum"/"Lum" that he drew recently(at that time), not the actual "Rum" from DC.

It's still a possibility that Rum has already appeared before the intro of the main Rum suspects, but we can't rely on what Gosho said. The fact that it would mean that Gosho ruined the mystery of the Rum arc if what he said is true, I think it's more safer to bet that Rum didn't appear before Rum arc suspects appeared.
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby haibaralove » December 7th, 2016, 10:20 am

MeiTanteixX wrote:He said that Rum has already appeared,... HOWEVER....during that time, he drew "Lum" dressed as a BO member(to make a pun on the pronunciation of "Rum"), so it's assumed by many that it was joke referring to the "Rum"/"Lum" that he drew recently(at that time), not the actual "Rum" from DC.

It's still a possibility that Rum has already appeared before the intro of the main Rum suspects, but we can't rely on what Gosho said. The fact that it would mean that Gosho ruined the mystery of the Rum arc if what he said is true, I think it's more safer to bet that Rum didn't appear before Rum arc suspects appeared.


Thank you for reply coz with so many Rum suspects increasing chapter by chapter..i just wanted to know :)
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby dccd » December 7th, 2016, 11:07 am

haibaralove wrote:
Rum has strong built,feminine and maybe old...as per Haibara..this is the only thing I know


From my point of view this is incorrect.
Ai clearly states that it´s possible that these descriptions are...

1. only rumours
2. only related to one or more bodydoubles of Rum.

I also read the term "bodydouble" not as a doppelganger-type of bodydouble, but more as someone else pretending to be Rum.

Since Conan keeps mentioning the descriptions, it´s kinda clear that this riddle will be solved somehow.
But to say that Rum has to fit all three descriptions ... well we cant say it for sure by now.

To go one step further:
Im not even sure about the eye-comment. For me its still open if the witnesses saw Rum himself or the same double
(which combines the three descriptions) who has one eye missing.
But i guess the mentioned pages are up to interpretation.

My guess by now (obviously a gut-feeling-based guess):
Wakita combines all three descriptions and has a missing/fake eye.
Wakita is Rums bodydouble.
[ ] Yonehara or Yoko = Rum (Yonehara is male)
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Asaka = -
[ ] Rumi = Kojis GF
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby Swagnarok » December 7th, 2016, 11:20 am

Ryusuke Higo.
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Elena and Atsushi Miyano: Faked their deaths and now secretly lead a "White Organisation" against the Men in Black. Parents of Akemi, Shiho, and Satoshi Miyano.
ELXR-0666: A drug developed by the BO that can revive the dead, the ultimate aim of their research and development of APTX-4869.
Nancy Akechi: Ran Mouri, revived by ELXR-0666 and then shrunken to a 7/8 year old by APTX-4869. Lives with Conan and her two parents, who are unaware of her true identity. Is the sixth member of the "Detective Boys".
Cognac: Shinichi Kudo made a bargain with Elena Miyano: Join the BO in exchange for the drug that could revive Ran from the dead. He became a Black Crow under the codename Cognac, specialising in using his detective skills to investigate matters important to the Organisation.
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » December 7th, 2016, 11:30 am

Swagnarok wrote:Ryusuke Higo.


Too young, and has seen Shiho/Ai, very much up close (File 925–File 927/Episode 822–Episode 823).
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby Swagnarok » December 7th, 2016, 11:39 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Swagnarok wrote:Ryusuke Higo.


Too young, and has seen Shiho/Ai, very much up close.


His dad was the original Rum, Ryusuke never met Shiho while she was in the BO. When Rum 1.0 died, the Boss kept it a secret because fear of Rum was what kept many of his subordinates in line. Instead, he claimed that Rum was given a long overseas mission, and in the meanwhile he had Ryusuke trained to one day become Rum 2.0. Only recently did he become ready, after which it was claimed that Rum had returned to Japan, and upon hearing this Kir sent the text to Akai.

The message U MASCARA had two possible meanings: the first was ASACA RUM, which implicated Asaka in the murder and made it look like he was Rum. For this reason, the BO didn't tamper with the dying message. However, it could also read SACA RAMU. This is based off of Romaji rendering of the English words soccer (sakka) and rum (ramu). That is, "soccer rum". Kohji was hoping that one day some brilliant detective could figure this out and avenge his death.

I'm aware this theory more likely than not is totally incorrect, but it's technically a feasible resolution to the Rum arc.
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Yoshiteru Nichimura: Japanese-American CIA agent, Hidemi's colleague and former boyfriend. Known among the ranks of the CIA as "Grim Reaper", from his skull-like face and his deadly short-range combat skills. He has a very good fast draw and he's very highly proficient in the Israeli martial art form called Krav Maga. However, he has no talent as a sniper, and he doesn't bother trying to be one.
Ryan Jackson: African-American CIA agent and director of CIA operations in Japan involving the Black Organisation. He was once good friends with Ethan Hondou, who taught him how to charge at a gunman without getting hit. He was an army chaplain who served in Iraq, seeing combat on numerous occasions, most notably during the Second Battle of Fallujah. He's been a lifelong resident of Metairie, LA, and he's married with several children. He graduated from Loyola University Maryland. His favorite saying is, "It is sometimes necessary to lie damnably in the interests of the nation."
Elena and Atsushi Miyano: Faked their deaths and now secretly lead a "White Organisation" against the Men in Black. Parents of Akemi, Shiho, and Satoshi Miyano.
ELXR-0666: A drug developed by the BO that can revive the dead, the ultimate aim of their research and development of APTX-4869.
Nancy Akechi: Ran Mouri, revived by ELXR-0666 and then shrunken to a 7/8 year old by APTX-4869. Lives with Conan and her two parents, who are unaware of her true identity. Is the sixth member of the "Detective Boys".
Cognac: Shinichi Kudo made a bargain with Elena Miyano: Join the BO in exchange for the drug that could revive Ran from the dead. He became a Black Crow under the codename Cognac, specialising in using his detective skills to investigate matters important to the Organisation.
Antichrist: An ancient hominid species very closely related to Homo Sapiens. They were biologically indistinguishable from human beings, except for the presence of the "Altar Organ", an internal bodily organ that allowed them to replace one of their other body parts, even the brain, with a corresponding one belonging to another person upon consuming said replacement body part. This species went extinct long ago, but they are relevant to the BO's plans today.
Yoko Okino: Boss of the Black Organisation upon the death of Korn, who in turn succeeded Pisco. Codename: Cabernet Sauvignon. Her mother was a member of the BO Council, and she raised her daughter to worship the Ancient Canaanite gods. Yoko's philosophy was also shaped by something that she witnessed as a child, the bullying of one of her classmates that led to suicide. She represents the "young blood" of the Organisation, and her religious fervour sets her apart from the Council, which consists of elderly and middle-aged bureaucrats and businessmen. She sees them as heretics.
Mezcal: Biochemist who assumed control of the APTX-4869 project upon Sherry's defection. He joined the project approximately one year before the events of Episodes 128-129 and the two of them worked closely in developing the drug.
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby Tantei San » December 7th, 2016, 12:29 pm

Swagnarok wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Swagnarok wrote:Ryusuke Higo.


Too young, and has seen Shiho/Ai, very much up close.


His dad was the original Rum, Ryusuke never met Shiho while she was in the BO. When Rum 1.0 died, the Boss kept it a secret because fear of Rum was what kept many of his subordinates in line. Instead, he claimed that Rum was given a long overseas mission, and in the meanwhile he had Ryusuke trained to one day become Rum 2.0. Only recently did he become ready, after which it was claimed that Rum had returned to Japan, and upon hearing this Kir sent the text to Akai.

The message U MASCARA had two possible meanings: the first was ASACA RUM, which implicated Asaka in the murder and made it look like he was Rum. For this reason, the BO didn't tamper with the dying message. However, it could also read SACA RAMU. This is based off of Romaji rendering of the English words soccer (sakka) and rum (ramu). That is, "soccer rum". Kohji was hoping that one day some brilliant detective could figure this out and avenge his death.

I'm aware this theory more likely than not is totally incorrect, but it's technically a feasible resolution to the Rum arc.

To think of it! your RUM 2.0 theory seems to set but i dont' think so with Ryusuke Higo. he would have barely gotten any time for that purpose.And Soccer Ramu well you are that brilliant detective cheers to it. And besdes as long the football world I know, to kill someone 17 years ago, ryusuke would be 4-5 years old.I don't think so that the boss would be so desperate to make a 5 year old kid his 2nd in command. Meh.!?
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby dccd » December 7th, 2016, 1:10 pm

Lets back your theory up with some suspicious moments:

1. CH927 P1
"Italian Aska" was the name of the restaurant.
Asuka was the name of the victim.

Some kind of foreboding to Asaka?

2. CH887 P16
Higo´s favourite song is Yokos "Dandelion". This can be understood also as "Dandy Lion" according to Conan.
"Dandy Lion" is better known as "Cowardly Lion" from the wizard of Oz.
Dandy Lion is described as loyal but ...
"... he lacked the nerve of a lion and was instead a mouse. "I'm afraid there's no denyin' "

Losing nerves?
... and maybe messing up sth? Like the Haneda-case?
" Pirates spirit is such a weak horse " = " Rum is so weak / has weak nerves" ?
Might kinda fit.

3. CH885 P7
Higo is part of Big Osaka.
They took the second place in the inter-high.
Big Osaka = BO = Black Org - allusion?
Possible.

It´s kinda weird that Conan mentions that Higo went to a school in the Kantou-region and dont "solve this comment" as if
it´s up to the reader to understand the meaning of it. But im not sure about this.

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There are even some receipes which use Rum to caramellize onions.
Rest is self-explaining.
[ ] Yonehara or Yoko = Rum (Yonehara is male)
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Asaka = -
[ ] Rumi = Kojis GF
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » December 7th, 2016, 6:03 pm

Swagnarok wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Swagnarok wrote:Ryusuke Higo.


Too young, and has seen Shiho/Ai, very much up close.


His dad was the original Rum, Ryusuke never met Shiho while she was in the BO. When Rum 1.0 died, the Boss kept it a secret because fear of Rum was what kept many of his subordinates in line. Instead, he claimed that Rum was given a long overseas mission, and in the meanwhile he had Ryusuke trained to one day become Rum 2.0. Only recently did he become ready, after which it was claimed that Rum had returned to Japan, and upon hearing this Kir sent the text to Akai.


Even so, he should've been made aware of what she looked like, being the second in command, at some point before her "death" in Mystery Train (File 818–File 824/Episode 701–Episode 704).

So Hidemi/Rena/Kir knows that he's Rum? When did she find that out?
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby jimmy_kud0_tv2 » December 7th, 2016, 6:07 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:He said that Rum has already appeared,... HOWEVER....during that time, he drew "Lum" dressed as a BO member(to make a pun on the pronunciation of "Rum"), so it's assumed by many that it was joke referring to the "Rum"/"Lum" that he drew recently(at that time), not the actual "Rum" from DC.


to clarify, the image of Lum as a Bo member was actually drawn in 2011

the AC hint and File 906 drawing of Lum were both in 2014
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby dccd » December 7th, 2016, 6:26 pm

One more important thing:

The NY/Golden Apple-Case is approximately 1-2 years ago (given Shinichis and Rans appearance).
In this case Vermouth at one point was disguised as Radish Redwood, the police-captain.
The important point is, that when she pulls off her mask, she actually is old.

I dont think at that point, that she had a second ("old") mask on her.
I dont think that she had some "old looking" make up on her either.
That means Vermouth actually at that point, was old.

Sharons age was never mentioned but since Chris was introduced as 29 years old - to keep up the disguise it must have been logical
for Sharon to be atleast 20 years older -> about 50.

So Sharon was old - but now she apparently is in her 20s/30s - and NOT a kid.
So she must have taken either APTX 4896 (with another effect on her) or one of the drugs Haibara mentions at CH 948 P 4.

What I want to say:
Vermouth is the living proof that there is no way to guess Rums current age.

And if someones counter it with "Rum had no reason to take the drug" then you might tell me why Vermouth took it.
No answer will come, since noone knows it.
So it´s kinda brave to rule out that Rum took it.
Just sayin..
[ ] Yonehara or Yoko = Rum (Yonehara is male)
[ ] Kuroda = Amuros Boss
[x] MG = Mrs. Akai
[x] Haneda = Brother Akai
[ ] Asaka = -
[ ] Rumi = Kojis GF
[ ] Wakita = Bo-Member Whiskey
[ ] Iori = just a butler
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby Swagnarok » December 7th, 2016, 9:29 pm

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Swagnarok wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Swagnarok wrote:Ryusuke Higo.


Too young, and has seen Shiho/Ai, very much up close.


His dad was the original Rum, Ryusuke never met Shiho while she was in the BO. When Rum 1.0 died, the Boss kept it a secret because fear of Rum was what kept many of his subordinates in line. Instead, he claimed that Rum was given a long overseas mission, and in the meanwhile he had Ryusuke trained to one day become Rum 2.0. Only recently did he become ready, after which it was claimed that Rum had returned to Japan, and upon hearing this Kir sent the text to Akai.


Even so, he should've been made aware of what she looked like, being the second in command, at some point before her "death" in Mystery Train (File 818–File 824/Episode 701–Episode 704).

So Hidemi/Rena/Kir knows that he's Rum? When did she find that out?


He may've seen pictures of Sherry taken a relatively short time prior to her defection, but he wouldn't necessarily have any idea what she looked like as a child. Even if he did see a picture of 8 year old Shiho at some point and then recently saw Haibara, he might not necessarily make the connection. For example, Haibara has a perm, which to my knowledge isn't really a natural human hairstyle (see movie 5). As such, she might've had a different hairstyle 10 years ago. Or, Higo might be bad at remembering faces (see Gin, episode 345). Or, even if he thought Haibara looked just like young Sherry he might just think it's a coincidence, since the BO apparently doesn't know about the secondary effect of APTX-4869.
As far as Kir is concerned, what I meant to say is that she would hear that Rum supposedly returned to Japan (I imagine word would circulate among the Black Crows pretty fast).
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Character key for my DC stories:
Yoshiteru Nichimura: Japanese-American CIA agent, Hidemi's colleague and former boyfriend. Known among the ranks of the CIA as "Grim Reaper", from his skull-like face and his deadly short-range combat skills. He has a very good fast draw and he's very highly proficient in the Israeli martial art form called Krav Maga. However, he has no talent as a sniper, and he doesn't bother trying to be one.
Ryan Jackson: African-American CIA agent and director of CIA operations in Japan involving the Black Organisation. He was once good friends with Ethan Hondou, who taught him how to charge at a gunman without getting hit. He was an army chaplain who served in Iraq, seeing combat on numerous occasions, most notably during the Second Battle of Fallujah. He's been a lifelong resident of Metairie, LA, and he's married with several children. He graduated from Loyola University Maryland. His favorite saying is, "It is sometimes necessary to lie damnably in the interests of the nation."
Elena and Atsushi Miyano: Faked their deaths and now secretly lead a "White Organisation" against the Men in Black. Parents of Akemi, Shiho, and Satoshi Miyano.
ELXR-0666: A drug developed by the BO that can revive the dead, the ultimate aim of their research and development of APTX-4869.
Nancy Akechi: Ran Mouri, revived by ELXR-0666 and then shrunken to a 7/8 year old by APTX-4869. Lives with Conan and her two parents, who are unaware of her true identity. Is the sixth member of the "Detective Boys".
Cognac: Shinichi Kudo made a bargain with Elena Miyano: Join the BO in exchange for the drug that could revive Ran from the dead. He became a Black Crow under the codename Cognac, specialising in using his detective skills to investigate matters important to the Organisation.
Antichrist: An ancient hominid species very closely related to Homo Sapiens. They were biologically indistinguishable from human beings, except for the presence of the "Altar Organ", an internal bodily organ that allowed them to replace one of their other body parts, even the brain, with a corresponding one belonging to another person upon consuming said replacement body part. This species went extinct long ago, but they are relevant to the BO's plans today.
Yoko Okino: Boss of the Black Organisation upon the death of Korn, who in turn succeeded Pisco. Codename: Cabernet Sauvignon. Her mother was a member of the BO Council, and she raised her daughter to worship the Ancient Canaanite gods. Yoko's philosophy was also shaped by something that she witnessed as a child, the bullying of one of her classmates that led to suicide. She represents the "young blood" of the Organisation, and her religious fervour sets her apart from the Council, which consists of elderly and middle-aged bureaucrats and businessmen. She sees them as heretics.
Mezcal: Biochemist who assumed control of the APTX-4869 project upon Sherry's defection. He joined the project approximately one year before the events of Episodes 128-129 and the two of them worked closely in developing the drug.
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Re: What's the identity of Rum?

Postby DCUniverseAficionado » December 7th, 2016, 10:19 pm

Swagnarok wrote:
He may've seen pictures of Sherry taken a relatively short time prior to her defection, but he wouldn't necessarily have any idea what she looked like as a child. Even if he did see a picture of 8 year old Shiho at some point and then recently saw Haibara, he might not necessarily make the connection. For example, Haibara has a perm, which to my knowledge isn't really a natural human hairstyle (see movie 5). As such, she might've had a different hairstyle 10 years ago. Or, Higo might be bad at remembering faces (see Gin, episode 345). Or, even if he thought Haibara looked just like young Sherry he might just think it's a coincidence, since the BO apparently doesn't know about the secondary effect of APTX-4869.


When Shiho/Ai says that "they know my youthful face," I doubt the BO's second in command, new and young or otherwise, would be excluded from that.

I severely doubt 7 year old Ai Haibara looks anything different from 7 year old Shiho Miyano—look at 7 year old Conan Edogawa and 7 year old Shinichi Kudo.

Yes, they don't know—if they did, they'd be hunting Shinichi/Conan and Shiho/Ai down. But who's to say someone as smart as Rum is supposed to be—as smart as the BO's second-in-command should be—wouldn't at least think twice about someone who looks that similar to a traitor, and one who had such an adult outburst during the encounter (File 927, Page 13/Episode 823, 18:54–19:24).
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
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