dccd wrote:No it doesn´t counter his point.
You simply cant disprove the fact that there could´ve been more members involved.
Atleast in the english version Gin never says a word about "only (and nobody elses) Rums headache".
We don´t even know if APTX killed Kohji.
Unknown cause of death + APTX list doesn´t mean necessarily that Kohji was killed by APTX.
The placement of Kohji´s name on the list might be hinting towards some other scenario.
Unlikely yes - but not a fact as you state it.
The dying message might still be coincidentally pointing out at Rum and mean sth. completely different.
Bourbon and stuff might be interpretating it wrong, same as Conan/Shu.
Gin used APTX too. In contradiction to Rum he´s a low(er) ranked member too.
Nevertheless there is not a single thing saying that only high ranked members are allowed to use APTX.
We only know by now that Rum was somehow involved in that case and screwed sth. up.
These are the only 2 facts that we know so far.
Everything else is up to anyones interpretation.
To me - as someone who read every single Agatha Christia book - it´s pretty much obvious that connections between things we assume are sure
might turn out to be sth. completely different towards the end.
One last thing: Do you see it as a fact that Rum combines the 3 descriptions?
k11chi wrote:Literally all of those are assumptions based on other statements and/or actions, not facts.
Nemomon wrote:For a couple of hours today I'm home, so I will once again take a part in this.
The APTX list can be fake. We know that at least Shinichi's alive while he should be dead. While not very unlikely, it could be that someone put Kouji's name on it even hough he was not killed by the APTX. Plus, we know that there were two drugs, and after the lab got burned, maybe the BO operatives put all of the names they namaged to retrieve on a single list. Which means that Kouji could be killed by something different. Finally, that list must be either really old (and Kouji was put on it immediately after dying), or quite recent, therefore some names on it might not be correct because of the number of years that passed since his death, and because of a number of different people that were working on it.
As DCCD said, we don't really know what the dying message really is. In fact it appears both Conan and Akai aren't 100% sure about it yet. It could mean ASACA = RUM, or something different. We don't even know whether it is a dying message, or just a message (for example in his last breath Kouji wanted to say a "farewell" to someone). Finally, we don't even know whether Kouji is responsible for making it, or it was placed therre after his death to mislead the investigators or someone else.
I don't really want to go into dispute who's better mystery writer, Christie or Holmes. Some people like apples, some pears; some people like girls, some fish. And if I can request, stop treating us as idiots, and Yourself as a person who ate the entire world and know everything. Thank You.
As I mentioned earlier we don't know what Rum was doing there or if he even was there. Rum could as well screw up the job because he was NOT there.
From we have seen so far, most of the BO members work alone or in the case of Gin with some lackeys. Gin might not be interested in Haneda's murder, because he was not involved in it, and unless the Boss orders something related to it, he has his own orders to follow. Like in Poland we say, it's not his circus, and not his monkeys.
It is indeed strange why the BO is still so nervous about the dying message after all this years. Maybe because the Boss is too careful and want to investigate every single lead that would point to the BO regardless of how many years have passed since it. Plus, since recently the Haneda's death appeared in the Interned, I think the Boss has a reason to be nervous. It doesn't really matter whether Rum killed them, or even if he was in there, because the dying message could point to the BO, and also because Rum probably could not prove that he was elsewhere. Not after so many years (well, unless he was in a prison or was not born yet). And also, because nobody cares now where a particular mafia member was. For them it is important only that he's mafia.
And one more thing, Haibara said that the name of the Organization is something different than the BO. But she didn't reveal it. It could be that the BO is nervous about this dying message, because they want to hide for how long they exist, and this dying message suggests that it is at least 17 years old. Maybe they don't know others to know that they're around for that long or even longer.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:It wasn't, the Manga says Shinichi's status was unconfirmed, in the list.
k11chi wrote:Zerozaki4869 wrote:It wasn't, the Manga says Shinichi's status was unconfirmed, in the list.
Haibara (Sherry) changed it. Maybe it's really not shown in the manga (honestly can't remember), but it was written by Gosho.
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