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Hi guys,

Just a few curious facts, I thought I share with you – nothing groundbreaking, only interesting and entertaining. The BO codenames are alcohol-related, seemingly random, but maybe not?

Sherlock Holmes greatest weakness was his dependency on drugs, messing with his greatest strength, his brain power. This is mainly known through Watson’s thoughts and concerns in the original Sherlock Holmes stories, which cover the time period from around 1880 and 1914. During this time, Absinthe was very popular and rumor has it, it was Holmes’ favorite drink (though I couldn’t find any references in the books). Absinthe back in the days was highly intoxicating and addictive. Some people believe absinthe may be an appropriate code name for the big boss of the Black Organization, it sure sounds intriguing. Absinthe is made of fennel, wormwood and anis, amongst other. Wormwood is a main ingredient for Vermouth. Anis and Fennel give Gin the right flavor. By the way, Gin made its way to the title of the “Four of Gin Hot” Sherlock Holmes Story. Rye is an American Whiskey just like Shui is an American citizen. Bourbon is an American Whiskey, with whiskey being mentioned in the Sherlock Holmes stories quite a few times. Bourbon is a traditional Southern States Whiskey, but it slowly became popular in the North. Manhattan is a cocktail mixed with Whiskey and Vermouth; the whiskey of choice used to be Rye in the past but it is now Bourbon. Apropos Manhattan, Sherlock Holmes himself has been to New York and kept contact with a local detective. Sherry is a fortified wine, made from white grapes fortified with Brandy, which happened to one of Dr. Watson’s favorite drink, next to whiskey-and-soda. With a little bit a phantasy, one can come to the conclusion that one of Ai’s patents had the codename of a wine and the other carried the name Brandy. In the Sherlock Holmes Story “The sign of four”, Sherlock Holmes states that he only keeps white wine, Chianti, in his house for visitors. Kir, curiously, is not an alcoholic beverage like all other codenames. Kir is a cocktail, mixed from at least substances, in this case Crème de Cassis and White Wine, indicating her double agent status has always been known.

One could dig even a little deeper and sort all alcoholic code name after their alcohol percentage, which would put Absinthe at the top, followed by Gin and so on. It would also put Vermouth pretty much at the bottom of the list somewhere between Sherry and Chianti. What Vermouth doesn’t have in ranking though, she makes up for it with her “ingredients” (s.a.).

With a little bit of more digging around, another seemingly interesting fun fact revealed itself. The stories of Sherlock Holmes were around the 1880s till his death in the year 1914. People were drinking cocktails like crazy, the great depression luring and so on, wealthy Americans showed up at good old London during their own prohibition time in the 1920s and 30s to party like there was no other day. One of those party places was the London Savoy Hotel. Not much is known about the cocktails that were served during that time, because people didn’t really bother to cherish those recipes. With the exception of one cocktail recipe book, written and collected by the famous American barkeeper working at the Savoy London: Harry Craddock. Harry Craddock made the Dry Martini popular. The dry Martini is a cocktail made with Gin and Vermouth. Harry Craddock also invented the popular cocktails White Lady and Corpse Reviver. Now here are some interesting facts about the Corpse Reviver beside its creepy connection to the BO and their attempt to defeat death and maintain youth: “the Corpse Reviver is an old family of cocktails which were traditionally consumed as hairs of the dog – drinks to refresh you after a heavy night. The reviver was popular during the late nineteenth and early twentieth century but began to die out after prohibition when complex “up” drinks went out of fashion, and now the category is all but dead. Most recipes have been lost to time. Of those that remain the most famous are the two listed in The Savoy Cocktail Book.” The recipe to Corps reviver # 1? Cognac, Brandy or Calvados, and Vermouth. Strange.

Also very entertaining. What do you guys think? Maybe the big boss is a … barkeeper?

Your post makes me want to re-watch Bartender all over again.

Cool facts on the alcohol and wine. I find the Corpse Reviver cocktail pretty... creepy, though. I just found it strange that of all the whiskey you mentioned, Scotch and Rum weren't included... so far.

I was thinking about Rum, purely out of a scientific curiosity . Pisco is a Brandy, and if Sherry is a fortified wine with Brandy, respectively if one of Ai's parents carried a Brandy codename, they were on the same level with Pisco - Pisco, who was supposed to be their acquaintance back in the day. Another Brandy in the DC universe is Calvados.

The most famous Corpse Reviver recipe goes like this: Gin, Cointreau, Lillet Blanc, Absinthe, Lemon.

As to Rum, Scotch, Korn, Vodka and so on: if you sort by the alcoholic percentage, you get a fairly decent list of "officers" and their ranking system. Scotch would be somewhere between Pisco and Calvados. Rum is pretty tricky as it is one of the most versatile alcoholic beverages on the planet with a long history. It could be low of alcohol, putting Rum above Sherry but lower than Tequila. Rum can also come as higher proofed, which would put the spirit on the same level as Cognac and Scotch. However, many Rums come as high percentage alcohol, so high that it would outrank Gin easily. Dangerous guy, unquestionable.

Ranging from the 80 proof swill I keep in the fridge, to 151 proof "overproof" rums that stand up with lower-grade versions of Everclear. Yeah, I know what you mean.

Oh, this was interesting one and quite illuminating too. Thank you

Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

Why?

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

Why?

That's just how the story is... Amuro is possibly british or something, they're not all japanese

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

Why?

That's just how the story is... Amuro is possibly british or something, they're not all japanese

But Gin, Vodka, Chianti, Korn, Tequila maybe are Japanese, at least the nationality is never named I think (or it is in the manga? I only watched the anime). Pisco was also Japanese.

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

Why?

That's just how the story is... Amuro is possibly british or something, they're not all japanese

But Gin, Vodka, Chianti, Korn, Tequila maybe are Japanese, at least the nationality is never named I think (or it is in the manga? I only watched the anime). Pisco was also Japanese.

Hard to say about those but since their enemies like FBI and those other cop teams aren't fully japanese, I doubt all of them are either

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:

k11chi wrote:

Mario2000 wrote:Being this a Japanese series, it's weird there still is no one called Sake in the organization. Maybe the boss?

The BO most likely originated in US not Japan though

Why?

That's just how the story is... Amuro is possibly british or something, they're not all japanese

But Gin, Vodka, Chianti, Korn, Tequila maybe are Japanese, at least the nationality is never named I think (or it is in the manga? I only watched the anime). Pisco was also Japanese.

Hard to say about those but since their enemies like FBI and those other cop teams aren't fully japanese, I doubt all of them are either

If they are American, then I hope they are a branch of the Italian Cosa Nostra: maybe of the Genovese crime family, which still is the most powerful and secretive of the New York 5 families. Although this is unlikely, unfortunately.

BTW Texascoffeefirl, your previous big theory got nuked in the forum move and the oldforums are now inaccessible. Here is a copy of your previous theory:

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It's the first and probably last time, I open a thread. I am a fan of Detective Conan for over a decade now. Just a couple months ago, when we moved to our new home, I found my old DC mangas. Out of boredom and curiosity, I started reading the first Volumes again, caught the old "who is the big boss"-fever and ended up reading them all in a row. Yeah, all of them. Took me two weeks. Now I'm here, with a cup of coffee and in the mood, to share my funny and weird thoughts. No, I wont discuss what was discussed thousands of times in other forums.

I base my upcoming gibberish only on the mangas and the infamous interview Aoyama's in 2006 http://www.animey.net/specials/42 , where Aoyama said something that made me thinking. No, not the whole “Ai will be surprised'-whatever thing.
At some point, Aoyama was asked about the success of Detective Conan and whether he expected DC to last so many years.
No, of course, he didn't. How could he? Indeed, he thought DC will end after a couple of months or Volumes. So far, nothing unusual, but while reading the first chapters of DC, I realized: when those chapters were published, Aoyama had thought the story to end soon. Why is it important? Because that means Aoyama most likely dropped some important hints pointing to the BO very early. Actually, he dropped maybe 'one hint' within the first six chapters.

(BTW, reading all 700something chapters in a row, I have the impression, that maybe a year or a little bit more has passed in the story line. I know, sounds unbelievable, but that is the impression you get if you read everything in a row and not in a decade...)

We can assume, that Aoyama is a professional (lol, it's really late), meaning he had a rough story outline from the very beginning. The concept of Conan, Kogoro, the BO, them being an international organization leading at some point to the US. It helps that Shinichi's parents lived in the US and that being mentioned right away in the first chapter. It opened the international doors early. And before I go back to that maybe'hint', let me emphasize one of Aoyama's drawing styles: smoking. Certain characters or character-types smoke in the story. The cool (like Akai, Matsuda and some suspects) and the dangerous (like Akai and most of the BO, some other murderers). Well, and Kogoro. But he is another story. I think, we have seen pretty much all BO members smoking and drinking alcohol. In the DC universe, the purely innocent don't smoke and drink.

Which brings me to my key figure, my Irene Adler, so to say: Yoko Okino.

Yeah, keep laughing but keep on reading, I bet you will be a bit surprised.

It starts in chapter 6 Vol. 1, three days after the BO 'killed' Kudo Shinichi. Conan is eager to do something, but is advised by Prof. Agasa to keep his head down. Agasa: “If they find out, your body never showed up, they'll come looking for you. Just wait until then. You mustn't get impatient and make the first move.”

Well, if I learned one thing in the DC universe, it is when a case starts with a discussion about the BO, the case most likely is about the BO. So, Conan waits for their move – and meets Yoko Okino in Kogoro's office. I think it is amazing, that this woman/minor character was introduced so early, but than again it is not important. Something else is. Remember the first Yoko Okino case. The stalker who was killed/committed suicide in her apartment but turns out it was her former boyfriend from high school? So, short before Yoko, Kogoro, Conan and Co go to Yoko's apartment, Yoko's manager says to super-excited Kogoro to keep his voice down, cause nobody knows that Yoko Okino lives in that huge apartment complex. It is a secret. Indeed, Yoko states she moved to this apartment secretly cause she wanted to get away from the stalker. Since it was kept a secret, we can assume Yoko wasn't running around and telling people were she lives. We can assume, she didn't have many guests. The character of Yoko Okino seems to be the one of a beautiful, innocent (like Kogoro always states) young woman aka successful actress, scared, you know the story. The group enters her apartment, finds the murdered stalker and makes the first suspect, a female actress co-worker of Yoko, to come by to the apartment, too. She makes herself suspicious cause she uses that statue that was indeed a lighter and so on and so on. That is not the point. The point are three things that are not 'right' in Yoko Okino's apartment.

1.First of all. The lighter statue is the Statue of Liberty. Why would an innocent person like Yoko Okino whom we never seen smoking have a lighter in the form of the statue of liberty? The lighter indeed looks like something people would buy as a souvenir, very specific. Was Yoko Okino in New York and brought herself a souvenir? Maybe, but bot likely, cause a non-smoker would buy something else. Unless, somebody else she knew was in New York and brought her the lighter souvenir. Somebody, who smokes, somebody who visits Yoko on a regular base and misses a lighter in her apartment... well, who do we know lived in New York at this time, smokes, comes to Japan every now and then and is a famous colleague of Yoko, by herself? Name it, you get it.

2.Which leads to me to point number two. Chapter 9, Vol. 1 page 3, there is an ashtray on the table, right in front of the couch, where the lighter was nearby. Somebody sits on the couch, using the lighter. BTW, it is the same ashtray, Conan uses to knock out Kogoro since he doesn't have the tranquilizer-watch yet.

3.When Conan uses the ashtray, it is seen, that there are three cigarettes in there. Kogoro smokes one cigarette, but he is still holding on to his cigarette. The other female suspect smokes too, but she lost her cigarette shortly after lightening it. You can see her long, unsmoked cigarette in the ashtray. That leaves two other cigarettes in the ashtray that must have been there before Kogoro, Conan and Co arrived. We can assume, that our suspicious “smoker” (hello X-files) visited Yoko Okino shortly before. Well, it might have been the female co-worker, but she was careful not to be seen in Yoko's apartment. Why would she smoke in Yoko's apartment and leaving traces that somebody was there? And Yoko didn't seem bothered at all with cigarettes in the ashtrey.

To summarize, there is this young charming and recurring actress Yoko Okino with a New York souvenir in her apartment, an astray, although she doesn't smoke or smokes secretly (which would make her even more suspicious in the DC-universe). She contacts Mouri three days after Kudo was murdered and no body was found. She comes well along with Ran. Too many coincidences come together in one case, if you ask me.

And it doesn't stop there.

In Vol. 10, chap. 5, Shinichi Kudo appears again after drinking the Chines. alcohol. Vol.11 chap. 4 Conan is in serious trouble because of Kogoro who suspects Conan, but Kogoro is suddenly distracted by Yoko Okino who pops up at the Nichiura TV studio to see Kogoro. It is not a big thing, I know, but I think it is worth mentioning that she pops up at Nichiura TV, saying she works there and wanted to see Kogoro.

Throughout the story, Yoko Okino pops up on TV, radio, poster and so on and so on.

Vol. 48, chap. 9 page 3. When Yoko Okino uses her cell phone in front of Conan, Conan has a flashback of Vermouth. He blames it on him getting paranoid. What if he's not?

Same Vol. Same chapter, it is Yoko Okino who introduces Rena Mizunashi to Kogoro Mori, saying they are friends/colleagues. For crying out load, it was her, who invited Kogoro to the TV studio in the first place and made it possible, that they ran into Rena Mizunashi. Page 4, she literary drags Rena to Kogoro. It was Yoko who suggested to Kogoro to stop by at Rena's apartment. And for some reason, she mentions that she wont tag along with them cause she has work to do. How convenient is that? And has anybody ever paid attention to the older guy on page 5, who shows obvious interest in the conversation on the next table? Older dude, black suit, smoking?

Vol.53 chap. 552 page 16, Kogoro states he got many requests from Yoko Okino.

Chap. 562 page 7, Kogoro calls Yoko … he has her phone number.

Chap. 591 page 3, Yoko Okino doesn't trigger Ai's BO sense.

Chap. 595, Kogoro is watching TV, Yoko Okino sings, while she sings, crows are noisy outside … Kogoro starts humming the seven children song... this really is just coincidence...

… but throw everything together and keep in mind that Irene Adler was a beautiful actress, somebody who tricked Holmes till the very last second of the case... .


Is there somebody else out there, who thinks that this is weird (I mean Yoko, not me writing a novel at two o'clock in the morning.)?

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:BTW Texascoffeefirl, your previous big theory got nuked in the forum move and the oldforums are now inaccessible. Here is a copy of your previous theory:

---

It's the first and probably last time, I open a thread. I am a fan of Detective Conan for over a decade now. Just a couple months ago, when we moved to our new home, I found my old DC mangas. Out of boredom and curiosity, I started reading the first Volumes again, caught the old "who is the big boss"-fever and ended up reading them all in a row. Yeah, all of them. Took me two weeks. Now I'm here, with a cup of coffee and in the mood, to share my funny and weird thoughts. No, I wont discuss what was discussed thousands of times in other forums.

I base my upcoming gibberish only on the mangas and the infamous interview Aoyama's in 2006 http://www.animey.net/specials/42 , where Aoyama said something that made me thinking. No, not the whole “Ai will be surprised'-whatever thing.
At some point, Aoyama was asked about the success of Detective Conan and whether he expected DC to last so many years.
No, of course, he didn't. How could he? Indeed, he thought DC will end after a couple of months or Volumes. So far, nothing unusual, but while reading the first chapters of DC, I realized: when those chapters were published, Aoyama had thought the story to end soon. Why is it important? Because that means Aoyama most likely dropped some important hints pointing to the BO very early. Actually, he dropped maybe 'one hint' within the first six chapters.

(BTW, reading all 700something chapters in a row, I have the impression, that maybe a year or a little bit more has passed in the story line. I know, sounds unbelievable, but that is the impression you get if you read everything in a row and not in a decade...)

We can assume, that Aoyama is a professional (lol, it's really late), meaning he had a rough story outline from the very beginning. The concept of Conan, Kogoro, the BO, them being an international organization leading at some point to the US. It helps that Shinichi's parents lived in the US and that being mentioned right away in the first chapter. It opened the international doors early. And before I go back to that maybe'hint', let me emphasize one of Aoyama's drawing styles: smoking. Certain characters or character-types smoke in the story. The cool (like Akai, Matsuda and some suspects) and the dangerous (like Akai and most of the BO, some other murderers). Well, and Kogoro. But he is another story. I think, we have seen pretty much all BO members smoking and drinking alcohol. In the DC universe, the purely innocent don't smoke and drink.

Which brings me to my key figure, my Irene Adler, so to say: Yoko Okino.

Yeah, keep laughing but keep on reading, I bet you will be a bit surprised.

It starts in chapter 6 Vol. 1, three days after the BO 'killed' Kudo Shinichi. Conan is eager to do something, but is advised by Prof. Agasa to keep his head down. Agasa: “If they find out, your body never showed up, they'll come looking for you. Just wait until then. You mustn't get impatient and make the first move.”

Well, if I learned one thing in the DC universe, it is when a case starts with a discussion about the BO, the case most likely is about the BO. So, Conan waits for their move – and meets Yoko Okino in Kogoro's office. I think it is amazing, that this woman/minor character was introduced so early, but than again it is not important. Something else is. Remember the first Yoko Okino case. The stalker who was killed/committed suicide in her apartment but turns out it was her former boyfriend from high school? So, short before Yoko, Kogoro, Conan and Co go to Yoko's apartment, Yoko's manager says to super-excited Kogoro to keep his voice down, cause nobody knows that Yoko Okino lives in that huge apartment complex. It is a secret. Indeed, Yoko states she moved to this apartment secretly cause she wanted to get away from the stalker. Since it was kept a secret, we can assume Yoko wasn't running around and telling people were she lives. We can assume, she didn't have many guests. The character of Yoko Okino seems to be the one of a beautiful, innocent (like Kogoro always states) young woman aka successful actress, scared, you know the story. The group enters her apartment, finds the murdered stalker and makes the first suspect, a female actress co-worker of Yoko, to come by to the apartment, too. She makes herself suspicious cause she uses that statue that was indeed a lighter and so on and so on. That is not the point. The point are three things that are not 'right' in Yoko Okino's apartment.

1.First of all. The lighter statue is the Statue of Liberty. Why would an innocent person like Yoko Okino whom we never seen smoking have a lighter in the form of the statue of liberty? The lighter indeed looks like something people would buy as a souvenir, very specific. Was Yoko Okino in New York and brought herself a souvenir? Maybe, but bot likely, cause a non-smoker would buy something else. Unless, somebody else she knew was in New York and brought her the lighter souvenir. Somebody, who smokes, somebody who visits Yoko on a regular base and misses a lighter in her apartment... well, who do we know lived in New York at this time, smokes, comes to Japan every now and then and is a famous colleague of Yoko, by herself? Name it, you get it.

2.Which leads to me to point number two. Chapter 9, Vol. 1 page 3, there is an ashtray on the table, right in front of the couch, where the lighter was nearby. Somebody sits on the couch, using the lighter. BTW, it is the same ashtray, Conan uses to knock out Kogoro since he doesn't have the tranquilizer-watch yet.

3.When Conan uses the ashtray, it is seen, that there are three cigarettes in there. Kogoro smokes one cigarette, but he is still holding on to his cigarette. The other female suspect smokes too, but she lost her cigarette shortly after lightening it. You can see her long, unsmoked cigarette in the ashtray. That leaves two other cigarettes in the ashtray that must have been there before Kogoro, Conan and Co arrived. We can assume, that our suspicious “smoker” (hello X-files) visited Yoko Okino shortly before. Well, it might have been the female co-worker, but she was careful not to be seen in Yoko's apartment. Why would she smoke in Yoko's apartment and leaving traces that somebody was there? And Yoko didn't seem bothered at all with cigarettes in the ashtrey.

To summarize, there is this young charming and recurring actress Yoko Okino with a New York souvenir in her apartment, an astray, although she doesn't smoke or smokes secretly (which would make her even more suspicious in the DC-universe). She contacts Mouri three days after Kudo was murdered and no body was found. She comes well along with Ran. Too many coincidences come together in one case, if you ask me.

And it doesn't stop there.

In Vol. 10, chap. 5, Shinichi Kudo appears again after drinking the Chines. alcohol. Vol.11 chap. 4 Conan is in serious trouble because of Kogoro who suspects Conan, but Kogoro is suddenly distracted by Yoko Okino who pops up at the Nichiura TV studio to see Kogoro. It is not a big thing, I know, but I think it is worth mentioning that she pops up at Nichiura TV, saying she works there and wanted to see Kogoro.

Throughout the story, Yoko Okino pops up on TV, radio, poster and so on and so on.

Vol. 48, chap. 9 page 3. When Yoko Okino uses her cell phone in front of Conan, Conan has a flashback of Vermouth. He blames it on him getting paranoid. What if he's not?

Same Vol. Same chapter, it is Yoko Okino who introduces Rena Mizunashi to Kogoro Mori, saying they are friends/colleagues. For crying out load, it was her, who invited Kogoro to the TV studio in the first place and made it possible, that they ran into Rena Mizunashi. Page 4, she literary drags Rena to Kogoro. It was Yoko who suggested to Kogoro to stop by at Rena's apartment. And for some reason, she mentions that she wont tag along with them cause she has work to do. How convenient is that? And has anybody ever paid attention to the older guy on page 5, who shows obvious interest in the conversation on the next table? Older dude, black suit, smoking?

Vol.53 chap. 552 page 16, Kogoro states he got many requests from Yoko Okino.

Chap. 562 page 7, Kogoro calls Yoko … he has her phone number.

Chap. 591 page 3, Yoko Okino doesn't trigger Ai's BO sense.

Chap. 595, Kogoro is watching TV, Yoko Okino sings, while she sings, crows are noisy outside … Kogoro starts humming the seven children song... this really is just coincidence...

… but throw everything together and keep in mind that Irene Adler was a beautiful actress, somebody who tricked Holmes till the very last second of the case... .


Is there somebody else out there, who thinks that this is weird (I mean Yoko, not me writing a novel at two o'clock in the morning.)?

Friend...You have done a very nice and thorough research but considering your research and "your" irene adler a.k.a yoko okino , you are taking Kogorou as an example of Sherlock Holmes . I think it must be Shinichi (Conan) who must be taken as an example of Sherlock Holmes . And that puts "Anokata" as Prof.Moriarty because he was Sherlock Holmes' greatest villain . And he was connected to Irene Adler in some sort . Do you think that Dr.Araide(Who is Connected to Ran) could be Anokata....?

I like and agree with every point you've mentioned but I have just one question in mind that makes this theory fall from my speculations. Why would Vermouth be Yoko's favorite? Please don't tell me they are .....