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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 4:36 am
by MeiTanteixX
Also hoping for that planned showdown between SERA and Ai

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 8:01 am
by MeiTanteixX
After reading chapter 898 i came up with a theory regarding Scotch, and what happened between him and akai and how he might be related to rei, except being a fellow comrade in the secret police.
To start off this theory, ill begin with "What happened - akai perspective" and then scotch and amuro perspective!


Akai Shuichi story:
We know that Rei is in fact a spy sent from the secret police to infiltrate the BO. At that time, akai joined as well for the same purpose. Now akai had to make name for himself in the BO so that he could eventually join the inner-circle. But what happened was that he found himself a rival, Rei. Both of them were clashing as to who could make a name of themsleves before the other and at the same time, both of them were suspecting each other to be a Rat, a spy.

But suddenly, Akai started holding suspicion to a newly activated BO member known as "Scotch" because of some suspicious behavior. As akai suspected him to be a spy, he decided to confront him, probably putting him into test to see if he actually is a rat. As akai catches him redhandedly, finding Scotch talking to a secret police members on the phone, and manages to here him say "rei", or "rei-kun/chan", and "secret police".

he confronts him and wants to make a deal with him. The deal was for Scotch to help akai get a name for himself and in return share the info FBI have on the BO to the secret police. Scotch rejected that deal, and at that moment both Akai and scotch noticed that they were tailed by someone and that the person was heading their way. Scotch tried to take out his weapon to kill akai and sell him out to the BO, to avoid suspicion from the person heading their way, but Akai managed to save himself by shooting Scotch first.

As akai makes his report to the Boss by phone about him catching a spy, Rei makes an enterance. Akai tells him short about the incident and leaves him to take care of the body(which that flashback pic indicates in chapter 898). After notifying the Boss about scotch being a secret police spy, he gets an own codename, "Rye".

Scotch story:
Scotch joined the BO as a spy for the secret police. By proving himself useful, he earned the codename "Scotch". As he got a call by his colleague Rei, who also happens to be his younger brother, he gets caught by akai. When akai suggests his deal to him, Scotch rejects akai's deal because he already has someone to help get a name for, namely his brother Rei. As Scotch thought his whole infiltration plan was gonna get ruined after noticing someone coming their way, he decides to kill Akai and reveal akai's true identity to the BO. But his plan ends up backfiring.

Furuya Rei story:
Rei started working with the secret police because his brother worked there and because of his connection with Elena. As his brother joined the BO as a spy, furuya Rei got worried of him and since the secret police needed soneone that could confirm the situations and help Rei's brother, Rei got a mission to infiltrate the BO as well.

When Rei joined the BO, he dyed his hair color blond, and possibly even changed his face or tan himself, to look different from his brother in the org.(in case their similar look was notable, like if they were twins[which would explain why he was well aware of the situation of twins with different genders]). As Rei started to suspect his rival, akai, to be a spy, he started to investigate akai's relationship with Elenas daughter, Myiano Akemi, as well as stake him out. After his brother got a codename for himself, he noticed that akai was behaving suspiciosly. As he started to follow him he suspected that this could be his chance to make a name for himself.

To notify his brother about his situation, he starts calling him. He tells his brother that he has found a lead that could help him make a codename in the BO and that he is investigating it right now. His brother responds by warning him and that he should be careful to make sure not to reveal that he works for the secret police, then hangs up. Rei loses track of akai and ends up walking around in the vicinity. He suddenly heres a gunshots in the direction he was heading and rushes to the scene, only to find his brother covered in blood in the ground and akai holding a phone and a gun in his hands.

Akai explains what happened and Rei realizes that his conversation with his brother was heard by him(the brother's part of the conversation at least) and just as akai leaves the scene he falls into grief. From there his goal and focus was partially on avenging his brother.


When conan mentioned Amuro's nickname to akai, Zero(=Rei), akai remebered that Scotch mentioned someone named Rei and found out easily that amuro, Bourbon, was in fact from the secret police, Rei. And by his "unknown" sources, he found out rei's full name, "Furuya Rei".

EDIT: I'm starting to think that his sources comes from someone who got classified information about agency members. like in Ethan Hondou's case, akai found out his full background.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 8:19 am
by KudoAkai
Interesting theory, doesn't sound too far fetched either. There is definitely a link between all 3.

And considering the blood one or both of them brought the death of scotch.

I was wondering something, if Rei knew Elena as a kid, how come he didn't recognise Ai as being Shiho in the cherry blossoms case, Rei was wearing a disguise, so Ai wasn't hiding. But I'm surprised she didn't feel the pressure she normally gets when vermouth is close by.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 8:40 am
by soul_dreamer
@MeiTanteixX: Interesting theory. I wouldn't be surpised if Scotch and Rei would turn out to be brothers or very close friends, at least. I'm sure that it was Akai, who killed him, but I still am interested how Akai ended up killing Scotch. It could be like you say that Akai wanted to make a deal with Scotch, but it ended up with Scotch's death. It's kind of similar to Kir's situation with the difference that Kir agreed to cooperate, while Scotch didn't. At first, I thought that either Akai found out that Scotch is the spy and killed him to get into inner cycle or BO found out and ordered Akai to kill Scotch. Reading your theory made realize that if Akai would find out that Scotch is the spy, then he wouldn't so quickly tell the Boss, but try to cooperate in some way with Scotch. As for the second option, well if BO would find out on their own that Scotch was the spy and ordered Akai to kill Scotch, then I don't think that Rei would have such deep grudge against him. He would still hate him, but IMO there should be something more to happen in Scotch's case for Rei to hate Akai.

Anyway, Very good theory.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 8:49 am
by MeiTanteixX
Yea, the question is whether what akai said here:
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..is implying that the hatred was something deeper, for the colleagues of Rei to participate in, beacuse of bourbon and scotch being brothers, or beause of something else that I've missed!

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 6th, 2014, 8:54 am
by KudoAkai
Maybe because his hatred runs deep Rei didn't want to fail in capturing Akai (who's stealthy and cool) on his own so he asked for back up

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 8th, 2014, 3:24 pm
by Incomplete-tantei
It would be interesting if Rum was a woman rather than a man. We'd have a real dangerous B.O agent (Rum must be a real B.O member and not a mole) who would be a woman (maybe as psychopathic as Gin?). But strong alcohols are for men right? (Is Rum a strong alcohol?) Well, I was told Bourbon wasn't a strong alcohol (dunno if this is true) and yet Bourbon is a man.
So maybe Rum is a woman? I think it could be interesting anyway.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 8th, 2014, 3:52 pm
by MeiTanteixX
KudoAkai wrote:Maybe because his hatred runs deep Rei didn't want to fail in capturing Akai (who's stealthy and cool) on his own so he asked for back up
but my question is why it runs deep? Not why he needed his colleagues friends!!! If it's because of scotch being his brother, that would make sense, but what if is something else that I'm missing,...a third factor that might even have something to do with how rei got hold of vermouths secret,....

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 8th, 2014, 4:11 pm
by MeiTanteixX
A continuation to my last theory
(viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12248&start=1215):

Rei's deep hatred for akai could be something more than his brother scotch being killed. My guess is that scotch suspicious behavior (that i mentioned was the reason akai suspected him) had something to do with vermouth. Just like jodie's father, Scotch was doing his own research on vermouth and he might've gotten hold of vermouth secret, possibly through RUM(after scotch dived in deeper in BO) who is close to the boss.

If scotch reported such important intel to the secret police, it would make sense why, not only how Rei managed to get a hold of the secret and blackmail vermouth, but also why Rei's hatred for Akai runs deep, enough to involve his colleagues on this matter,...because the secret police had lost their most valuable intel source who could get a hold of the BO's secrets(possibly through a close member like RUM)!!!

EDIT: but it's probably through scotch's own investigations that he got a hold of vermouth secret(if he did) rather than through RUM. Someone who's more terrifying than Gin wouldn't easily slip information, even to alies, unless scotch was really skilled in psychological tricks or decievement. But if scotch really was that good, he wouldn't die easily by akai and wouldn't probably make such haste decision to kill akai ,without considering the fact that the approacher might be some random outsider or his brother, like i mentioned on my theory!!!

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 8th, 2014, 6:43 pm
by AICHAN
Nice theory Meitantei^^ I actually would like it if scotch was Rei's brother...that would explain why he hates Akai so much,and Akai may not be aware that they were related.

Concerning Amuro not recognizing Ai,well he probably was sure that she was dead so didn't pay attention to Ai,also he was focused on Jodie and Conan during the shrine case.But he did ask Conan where was Ai during the case with Taii(the calico cat case),so maybe he'll be more suspicious about Ai in the future files.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 8th, 2014, 6:50 pm
by soul_dreamer
I hope Amuro will discover Conan and Ai identities. This would be definitely interesting. Besides, wanting to see more scenes between Amuro and Conan, I also would like to see scenes between him and Ai, after all he knew her mum.

I also like the idea of Scotch and Amuro being brothers and MeiTanteixX, again your theory is interesting. It could explain how Amuro knows Vermouth secret.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 9th, 2014, 1:47 am
by MeiTanteixX
soul_dreamer wrote:I hope Amuro will discover Conan and Ai identities. This would be definitely interesting. Besides, wanting to see more scenes between Amuro and Conan, I also would like to see scenes between him and Ai, after all he knew her mum.

I also like the idea of Scotch and Amuro being brothers and MeiTanteixX, again your theory is interesting. It could explain how Amuro knows Vermouth secret.
thanx, im also hoping for that Rei and shiho meeting!! he'll probably just tell what his childhood thoughts was about her..."pretty lady"...etc. xP

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 9th, 2014, 9:15 am
by soul_dreamer
@MeiTanteixX: Yeah you right, he would tell Ai about how Elena treated his wounds. I actually think it would be very sweet scene, I can already imagine Ai smiling listening about her mum. She would most likely have the same expression she had, when she was listening to her mum's tapes.

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 9th, 2014, 9:27 am
by MeiTanteixX
soul_dreamer wrote:@MeiTanteixX: Yeah you right, he would tell Ai about how Elena treated his wounds. I actually think it would be very sweet scene, I can already imagine Ai smiling listening about her mum. She would most likely have the same expression she had, when she was listening to her mum's tapes.
haha true, Rei and shiho smilling at each other, after, i don't know how long ago, he was pointing a gun at what was supposedly her,....totally priceless scene x)

Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Posted: June 9th, 2014, 10:12 am
by Incomplete-tantei
AICHAN wrote: Concerning Amuro not recognizing Ai,well he probably was sure that she was dead so didn't pay attention to Ai,also he was focused on Jodie and Conan during the shrine case.But he did ask Conan where was Ai during the case with Taii(the calico cat case),so maybe he'll be more suspicious about Ai in the future files.
He didn't recognize Haibara=Shiho and Haibara didn't feel Benzaki was B.O., it was quite a little boring. Also except the "Conan kidnapped" case, when all Bourbon suspects gathered, it was (I think) the only time when Haibara sensed Rei being B.O..
Also when did Rei ask for Haibara during the Taii/delivery case?

At the end of the Taii case Haibara was hiding from Bourbon but it wasn't specified whether she felt he was a member of the Org or not. I think she was just hiding just because she got the information he was Bourbon. It's quite illogical Haibara only sensed the Org aura once and didn't feel it anymore when Rei was around her in the shrine and Taii case. If Gosho didn't want to ruin the suspense Benzaki=Bourbon and the pregnant woman=Vermouth, he shouldn't have included Haibara because she normally would've felt the Org aura, especially from Vermouth.. Gosho really messed up this time. It could be understandable if Rei is kind of special and doesn't have the Org aura, since he's a mole/Secret Police and such but then it shouldn't be that simple because it wasn't specified BO moles didn't have the aura.