Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

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Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

Postby Fujiwara » April 18th, 2014, 5:37 am

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Spoilers for file 894 have arrived!

File 894 translation (pp. 4-6,8-10,12-16):
Spoiler:
Title: Scarlet suspicion

p.4

Vermouth: He shot himself …

Vermouth: Inside his car …

Amuro: So it’s …

Amuro: Like I thought …

Camel: Ve-

Camel: Vermouth?!

Camel: That Jodie just now was Vermouth in disguise?

Conan: Yep!

Conan: Bourbon asked you something, didn’t he?

Camel: Yeah, but I didn’t tell him anything …

Camel: Even though he tried to shake it out of me by saying a lowly agent like me would be kept out of the loop …

p.5

Conan: Saying that he put pressure on you …

Conan: And once your friend, Jodie-sensei, came, the pressure lowered and your guard was down …
He used that psychological trick!

Jodie: Wait, hold up! Are you saying Vermouth knew we would come here to this hospital and was waiting for us?

Conan: Yes … everything went the way Bourbon and Vermouth wanted it to …

Conan: It all started with that message you got from Shibuya-sensei!

Conan: That was the start of their stratagem!

[Message:] Let’s go out for drinks! –Natsuko

Jodie: That message about going out together?

Conan: You said that Shibuya-sensei didn’t remember writing that mail, didn’t you?

Jodie: Y-yeah …

Conan: Then I’m pretty sure that Bourbon sent that message from her phone!

Jodie: Eeeh?!

Conan: I think it’d be rather hard to steal the phone of an FBI agent like you …
But temporarily getting hold of the phone of an Elementary school teacher shouldn’t be that hard …

Conan: Especially since Shibuya-sensei had hired him as a detective and met with him multiple times – he would have had ample opportunities!

Jodie: But why would he do all that to write a message like that?

p.6

Conan: To make Jodie-sensei give Shibuya-sensei a call! And what’s more, make her use Agent Camel’s phone to do so!

Camel: Eh?

Conan: If you’re going out for drinks you’ll do so in the evening … And he knew that your phone’s batteries would have run out by then!

Jodie: So he was staking us out ...

Camel: B-But why my phone ... ?

Conan: The phone of any FBI agen would have been fine!

Conan: Because if Shibuya-sensei has an accident that same evening, then the owner of the cell phone would be called to the crime scene along with Jodie-sensei ...

Jodie: I see ... So from the start they wanted to get information out of ...

Jodie: The FBI agent who accompanied me ...

Jodie: But if Kandachi-san hadn’t thrown Natsuko down the stairs that night and put her in critical condition ...

Conan: He may have planned to run her over with his car in order to injure her ...
Seeing how he was in his car at the time ...

Conan: In any case, I’m sure he planned for her to have an accident somewhere outdoors!

Jodie: Outdoors?

[…]

p.8

Camel: That he shot himself …

Camel: Inside his car …

Jodie: Only that?

Camel: Y-yeah …

Camel: Since Conan warned me about that point in the car on the way to the hospital, it just slipped out …

Jodie: But how would they profit from that information?

Camel: They’re probably relieved to know that he died and wasn’t caught by the FBI, so they don’t have to be afraid that he’ll tell us something …

Jodie: Or is there something else?

Jodie: Conan-kun …

Jodie: Co-

Jodie: Conan-kun?!

Conan: ………………….

p.9

Vermouth: And?

Vermouth: What is it about Kusuda Rikumichi that’s interesting?

Vermouth: All I know is that he was one of ours …

Vermouth: So one of our non-codenamed members shot himself …

Vermouth: What about it?

Amuro: If you were to shoot yourself, how would you do it?

Vermouth: Let’s see …

Vermouth: Putting the gun to my temple …

Amuro: That’s right, there’ll be a bullet hole deep in the cranium … Which remains even if the body is burned …

Vermouth: Eh?

Amuro: At around the that we suddenly stopped getting news from Kusuda …

Amuro: There was a man who got shot to the head and then burned …

Vermouth: Y-

Vermouth: You don’t mean?!

p.10

Amuro: The FBI agent …

Amuro: Akai Shuuichi …

Vermouth: Are you saying he’s still alive?!

Amuro: Yes …

Amuro: If my deduction is correct …

Vermouth: I’m sorry to inform you of this, but that deduction misses the mark …

Vermouth: Since that man’s death has been confirmed …

[…]

p.12

Akai: Who’d have thought …

Akai: That it would come to this …

Kir: Yeah …

Kir: I’m surprised as well …

Vermouth: As a actress I can tell you that those lines weren’t arranged beforehand …

Vermouth: They came from the heart … that wasn’t an act …

Vermouth: But what a disappointment …

Vermouth: That you made me participate in a farce like this …

Amuro: ……………….

Amuro: Who’d have thought …

Amuro: That it would come to this …

p.13

Amuro (thoughts): I see …

Amuro (thoughts): So that’s how it is …

Amuro: Then let’s go find out …

Amuro: Whether or not my deduction is correct …

Amuro: By forcing him into a situation that’ll have him lost for words …

Vermouth: Oh? Seems like you know where to find him … This ghost of yours …

Amuro: No … not yet …

Amuro: But now that I’ve understood the trick, it’ll be no problem for me …

Amuro: To find him within one day …

p.14

Eeeeh?!

Ayumi: Conan-kun isn’t coming today?

Haibara: Yes, he caught a cold and is resting today …

Genta: Even though we’re having curry in the cafeteria today …

Mitsuhiko: That’s hardly the point …

Haibara (thoughts): Well, he and the professor were whispering a lot last night …

Haibara (thoughts): So it’s doubtful whether he’s actually ill …

Ran: Conan-kun?

Ran: When do the Macademy Awards start?

Ran: Huh?

Ran: Hasn’t Conan returned from school yet?
Kogorou: The brat called to say that he’d sleep over at the professor’s tonight and wouldn’t be here for dinner …

Ran: No way! I was looking forward to watch the Macademy Awards together!

Kogorou: What’s to look forward about? A foreign movie award ceremony like that …

p.15

Ran: But Shinichi’s Dad will be there!

Ran: He’s been nominated for best script! Isn’t that great?

Kogorou: Even if you’re excited about that …

Kogorou: Why would it matter to that brat?

Ran: … That’s true …

Announcer: First up, the award for best male supporting actor …

Announcer: The presenter will be last year’s award winner …

Announcer: Johnny Bip-san!!

SFX bubble: *Ding dong*

Okiya: Yes?

Voice: Delivery service!

SFX bubble: *click*

p.16

Amuro: Good evening …

Amuro: It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance …

Amuro: My name is Amuro Tooru …

Okiya: Right …

Amuro: But I guess …

Amuro: I’m not meeting you for the first time …

Amuro: Am I?

Side note: A dramatic face-off?! Continued in the next issue in the “Scarlet interrogation” …
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Postby User 4869 » April 18th, 2014, 6:33 am

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

First, Its early spoiler

Is it that easy to find Okiya?

Why not? FBI acting incompetent to have BO shine, after role are reverse in MT.

Spoiler:
Vermouth fail an acting class? Kir is not one the plan? Or Vermouth lies?

LOL at Akai last minute disguise, or he is someone else. *Rip his mask to be...Makoto*
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby The_evilbit » April 18th, 2014, 7:37 am

Spoiler:
Akai is wearing a mask...my 20 years of detective conan tell me its someone in disguise ;D
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Postby Atsushi Miyano » April 18th, 2014, 7:58 am

The_evilbit wrote:
Spoiler:
Akai is wearing a mask...my 20 years of detective conan tell me its someone in disguise ;D


Yes yes.. I hope this time it is the real Akai Shuichi..

BTW.. many thanks for the translation, Fuji-Sama..
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Postby Whiskey » April 18th, 2014, 8:00 am

Woah! I haven't been this hype for an arc of Detective Conan since Clash of Red and Black! Something huge is going to happen this time for sure, and I can't wait!

Spoiler:
I wonder what kind of role Yuusaku Kudo is going to play in all this. I don't think he would be mentioned by Ran and make an appearance just for no reason.
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Postby Jecka » April 18th, 2014, 11:45 am

It's happening.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Conan 48:69 » April 18th, 2014, 12:52 pm

Spoiler:
Those wearing masks usually for changing voice instead of cold

The Desperate Revival Series: Haibara disguised as Conan
Episode 345: Conan disguised as Haibara
Episode 734: Bourbon disguised as Touhei Benzaki

That Okiya must be someone like Yusaku in disguise. Since Bourbon had experience in using mask to disguise, he may not be deceived.
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Postby Jd- » April 18th, 2014, 1:00 pm

Spoiler:
Gosho: Don't you go to having a character disguise as a disguise that's already a disguise created for someone in order to fool someone who was already disguising as that person to catch them out on using disguises to avoid being discovered as alive, due to using disguises.

I mean... we can't make disguising as disguises a regular thing now--I let it slide when it was Vermouth as Scar Akai in Mystery Train, but this would definitely be all new heights for Gosho's spin-a-disguise storytelling mechanic.
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Postby char13happy » April 18th, 2014, 1:34 pm

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the... reference regarding pop culture.

BUT OMYGOSH SOMETHING BIG IS GOING ON. THE HYPE IS KILLING ME. PLOT IS COMING ALONG ALOT MORE QUICKER NOW.

*prays Aoyama-sensei does not screw this up*
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Postby kei » April 18th, 2014, 2:01 pm

Jecka wrote:It's happening.
*Jecka rolls around in excitement

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » April 18th, 2014, 3:15 pm

My thoughts on the file

Conan 48:69 wrote:Those wearing masks usually for changing voice instead of cold
Episode 734: Bourbon disguised as Touhei Benzaki
That Okiya must be someone like Yusaku in disguise. Since Bourbon had experience in using mask to disguise, he may not be deceived.
Bourbon wasn't using one of Agasa's special makes. I think Amuro's disguise could have been a case of pretending to have a bad voice or borrowing Vermouth and retransmitting.

Edit: Any info on where the awards are? This could be important in terms of time to ship someone overseas on a chartered jet.
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Postby Atsushi Miyano » April 18th, 2014, 5:02 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:My thoughts on the file

Conan 48:69 wrote:
Spoiler:
Those wearing masks usually for changing voice instead of cold
Episode 734: Bourbon disguised as Touhei Benzaki
That Okiya must be someone like Yusaku in disguise. Since Bourbon had experience in using mask to disguise, he may not be deceived.
Bourbon wasn't using one of Agasa's special makes. I think Amuro's disguise could have been a case of pretending to have a bad voice or borrowing Vermouth and retransmitting.

Edit: Any info on where the awards are? This could be important in terms of time to ship someone overseas on a chartered jet.

These awards are The Oscars.. the ceremony takes place annually in The USA..
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Postby Kor » April 18th, 2014, 5:20 pm

Jd- wrote:
Spoiler:
Gosho: Don't you go to having a character disguise as a disguise that's already a disguise created for someone in order to fool someone who was already disguising as that person to catch them out on using disguises to avoid being discovered as alive, due to using disguises.

I mean... we can't make disguising as disguises a regular thing now--I let it slide when it was Vermouth as Scar Akai in Mystery Train, but this would definitely be all new heights for Gosho's spin-a-disguise storytelling mechanic.


"Hey man, I heard you like disguises..."

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:My thoughts on the file


Spoiler:
I got to around the same thoughts when I read the spoilers (only slightly more general) and actually, I (in my heart) hope that Yusaku is in fact in the award show, and it's just a thing to make us think he's involved even though he isn't. Not only because, like Jd- said, this disguises thing is stepping into the nasty territory, but also because Yusaku is such a game breaker. Of course, it's only what I hope for.
As for what I think, I doubt Akai is the one in the award show, mostly because it puts Akai way out of reach to help anyone in a sudden moment of urgency, and also because sending "dead" Akai in a disguise to the US sounds too complicated considering all the potential risks. (at least I don't remember at the moment a DC character who flew to another country with a disguise that wasn't also their known identity).

By the by, was it ever specified or implied before that Yusaku is writing in mediums other than books?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » April 18th, 2014, 5:32 pm

A few things just to clear up some confusion...

First, Vermouth is purposefully putting roadblocks in front of Amuro by objecting. On page 10, she goes from freaking out about Akai to being carefully controlled in her emotions with a mysterious smile interlude. She has done this almost certainly because she has realized Conan must be involved. Either she figured out the trick herself or realized that because Amuro has been hanging around Conan way too much. If she or Amuro brought news of the likely fake death plan to the boss, Conan and likely Haibara will be found afterward. She must prevent that, because she has her own motives.
Therefore, she purposefully rigs her challenge against Amuro by requiring Amuro to find and dig out Akai, lumping a pretty severe burden of proof on him. The way things are right now, Amuro doesn't "win" unless he finds Akai and outs him

As best as I can tell, Amuro realizes that Vermouth is being stubborn for a reason on the bottom of page 12, and he realizes that Conan must be the reason on page 13. Still, Amuro plays Vermouth's game and goes to dig out Akai, probably because he would prefer to showdown with Akai anyway given his personality and his feelings towards Akai.

I would not be surprised if Vermouth warned Conan that Amuro was making a move. Even though Amuro can't win until he proves Akai's identity right now, he doesn't have to play by Vermouth's rules. He could very well jump the chain of command and find a more sympathetic ear in someone like the boss. If I were Vermouth, I'd move to kill Amuro right now, because if Amuro jumps over her head and tells the boss his thoughts, the boss could be very suspcious why Vermouth objected to much.

Lastly the good guys have a problem when it comes to Kir. They need to do something to get her ready for a safe exit, in case things go badly.

Kor wrote:As for what I think, I doubt Akai is the one in the award show, mostly because it puts Akai way out of reach to help anyone in a sudden moment of urgency, and also because sending "dead" Akai in a disguise to the US sounds too complicated considering all the potential risks. (at least I don't remember at the moment a DC character who flew to another country with a disguise that wasn't also their known identity).
I agree, I think it is likely Akai is still around. Yukiko may be collecting for Yuusaku after doing the Tokyo disguises. Akai has always prioritized protecting Haibara, and that is motive enough to stick nearby.
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Postby Kor » April 18th, 2014, 5:50 pm

Spoiler:
Is it just me, or did Gosho screw up the time difference? The way the last few pages of the file look, it seems like it's dark outside, so if this award show is in the states, that would imply the show is airing at a very weird time in the states, which would be weird.
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