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saorin wrote:
Agreed on most of the points, Nix, but some are just... gimmicks. I don't really NEED to know about Kogoro's or Agasa's background or more romantic pairings... Oo
You may not, but note that Kogoro's background is not really well known, we only know that he used to be in the police. And nothing has been said of his family, such as his parents and relatives. Adding to the minor detail of Kogoro's surname being 'Mouri' which can be a hint to 'Moriaty', well, we can assume Kogoro's background is important.
As for Agasa, it is the same with Kogoro, except we now know that he definitely isn't the boss (confirmed by Gosho). But remember, he knew Haibara's parents, plus Fusae.
So yeah, although it might be a bit minor at the moment, who knows? As for the pairings, we can say it is 'unresolved' at the moment, so to speak.
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saorin wrote:
Agreed on most of the points, Nix, but some are just... gimmicks. I don't really NEED to know about Kogoro's or Agasa's background or more romantic pairings... Oo
You may not, but note that Kogoro's background is not really well known, we only know that he used to be in the police. And nothing has been said of his family, such as his parents and relatives. Adding to the minor detail of Kogoro's surname being 'Mouri' which can be a hint to 'Moriaty', well, we can assume Kogoro's background is important.
As for Agasa, it is the same with Kogoro, except we now know that he definitely isn't the boss (confirmed by Gosho). But remember, he knew Haibara's parents, plus Fusae.
So yeah, although it might be a bit minor at the moment, who knows? As for the pairings, we can say it is 'unresolved' at the moment, so to speak.
OR it's simply Maurice LeBlanc and that's it. The Mori-Moriarty thing has been speculated for ages really, but we stil don't know if his background really IS important. So I personally just wouldn't label it as something that NEEDS to be answered now. Also, maybe people are just reading a bit too much into this. Gosho can't really be bothered to make family trees for every single person in DC... I might as well argue, "Hey, we got to see Genta's father, but what about Ayumi's parents? He didn't show them... Wait, maybe they're connected to...!"
I'm not denying there's a possibility Kogoro's family might be important - but it might as well not be.
About Agasa... we got Fusae, we got his relationship with various scientists beside the Miyanos... Honestly, do we have to get to know his deceased father and mother? oO How about...there is just nobody (important)? I believe we already GOT background story about him, for a minor character that was even quite a lot, I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I love shipping.. =D But I honestly think we got enough shippable couples in DC already. Note that even Chiba got a love interest now...
Look like the innocent flower,
But be the serpent under it.
("Macbeth")
saorin wrote:
Agreed on most of the points, Nix, but some are just... gimmicks. I don't really NEED to know about Kogoro's or Agasa's background or more romantic pairings... Oo
You may not, but note that Kogoro's background is not really well known, we only know that he used to be in the police. And nothing has been said of his family, such as his parents and relatives. Adding to the minor detail of Kogoro's surname being 'Mouri' which can be a hint to 'Moriaty', well, we can assume Kogoro's background is important.
As for Agasa, it is the same with Kogoro, except we now know that he definitely isn't the boss (confirmed by Gosho). But remember, he knew Haibara's parents, plus Fusae.
So yeah, although it might be a bit minor at the moment, who knows? As for the pairings, we can say it is 'unresolved' at the moment, so to speak.
OR it's simply Maurice LeBlanc and that's it. The Mori-Moriarty thing has been speculated for ages really, but we stil don't know if his background really IS important. So I personally just wouldn't label it as something that NEEDS to be answered now. Also, maybe people are just reading a bit too much into this. Gosho can't really be bothered to make family trees for every single person in DC... I might as well argue, "Hey, we got to see Genta's father, but what about Ayumi's parents? He didn't show them... Wait, maybe they're connected to...!"
I'm not denying there's a possibility Kogoro's family might be important - but it might as well not be.
About Agasa... we got Fusae, we got his relationship with various scientists beside the Miyanos... Honestly, do we have to get to know his deceased father and mother? oO How about...there is just nobody (important)? I believe we already GOT background story about him, for a minor character that was even quite a lot, I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I love shipping.. =D But I honestly think we got enough shippable couples in DC already. Note that even Chiba got a love interest now...
Hehehe.. that's actually what I was thinking as I typed it out. Gosho probably didn't bother, at all.
But come on, Kogoro's like one of the main protagonists, and there's only 3 of them, Shinichi/Conan, Ran and Kogoro. You'd expect some information
I feel that in the end, people have to be paired up (not every single one, obviously). As you said, even Chiba has a love interest, so you can see Gosho's determination (? ) to really pair up these unnecessary characters.
Maybe I should add Yumi's ex to the list...
But maybe it's just that Gosho wanted to draw a line at some point... "Family relations up to this generation and no further". xD Kogoro's parents are Ran's grandparents after all, and we don't know those of Shinichi either.
It's really just speculation, though I concur that it's not toally unfounded.
Agreed, Yumi is probably the one I can see best at getting a love interest, mainly because she's playing Armor herself most of the time. And we can say there's been some foreshadowing. I also agree on Gosho's intent to "pair everybody up". (Even Agasa xD.)
Look like the innocent flower,
But be the serpent under it.
("Macbeth")
I agree that Kogoro's parents aren't really important, but it would be nice to get more backstory on Kogoro himself. Like why he left the police (M2 doesn't count ), why Eri left him, etc. And Fusae is arguably important too, but only because if the theories about Fusae being friends with Akai are correct. Even if it's not correct, I don't think Gosho would hint that they'll meet again and not do anything with it.
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about at least. But going back and reading it again it looks like it might have been Yukiko that sent that message, she could have easily gotten the number from Shinichi. - http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-3Read/A7.html
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Huh? Directly after the Mystery train case Conan did tell Haibara that Okiya hacked into her phone and saw the message you're talking about. This could be just a lie from Conans part, but i don't see the necessity of lying about this.
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Huh? Directly after the Mystery train case Conan did tell Haibara that Okiya hacked into her phone and saw the message you're talking about. This could be just a lie from Conans part, but i don't see the necessity of lying about this.
Is that so? Well, I don't remember very well I'll check that.
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Huh? Directly after the Mystery train case Conan did tell Haibara that Okiya hacked into her phone and saw the message you're talking about. This could be just a lie from Conans part, but i don't see the necessity of lying about this.
Well telling Haibara that Okiya knew about it from the start (if it was actually he or Yukiko who sent it) would confirm that he was working with Conan and Yukiko from the start. Then Haibara would ask why they were working together if she still thinks he's suspicious, which may eventually lead to Haibara finding out that Okiya=Akai.
Pmofmalasia wrote:
Nothing to add, but #27 is a pretty good question.
Do you mean the text message sent to Haibara in the Mystery Train case saying "Are you ready?"? Is it even sure it was Vermouth who texted the message? I mean Okiya could have done it too... in order to get Haibara out (of the room) so he could protect her by keeping her in his room...
But then this would also give us a "How Okiya/Akai knew Haibara's number" (from Akemi's cellphone?)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about at least. But going back and reading it again it looks like it might have been Yukiko that sent that message, she could have easily gotten the number from Shinichi. - http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-3Read/A7.html
Oh, I was always under the impression that it was Conan who sent it xD
Look like the innocent flower,
But be the serpent under it.
("Macbeth")
I'm in for this, we've pass the arc of rising action. Now the story is closing in for climax I can feel it. Vermouth's changing side, is she? I think she's better off as mole and now she's only one know Amuro's true alliance, he want to prove it to B.O. to stay on. Conan is in terrible danger of showing himself out in media world, Amuro is nothing but a magnet around Conan, who often got himself in trouble with kidnapping and headache, he has enough worries. I think that was the reason Haibara did not stay angry with him over train after seeing him put in effort to protect her and her prayers were answered after he knows her well she do not want B.O sees her.
Well. I noticed something happened to my first post, I'll get to updating that later, hopefully.
So, yeah, I'm reviving this topic from the dead to discuss recent events from the manga and their implications:
Ok, so we learn that Sera and Conan has met before, that sera won't tell Conan yet for some reason, and an additional hint is given when we are told that Sera reminds Ran of waves. So after the Shrine case (Ch. 850-852), Bourbon is now aware that Conan is working with the FBI, and has gained some valuable hints regarding Akai's supposed death. More so, Conan later finds out about it and apanics. When he calls Haibara we learn that her BO radar hasn't picked up anything lately, becuase she wasn't focusing due to feeling safe after her faked death aboard the Mystery Train. Amuro overhears Conan's conversation, which won't reveal much to him, but it did get him more suspicious.
Ok, so let's review: Sera and Conan have met before Sera reminds Ran of waves Bourbon knows Conan is with the FBI Haibara's BO radar has become useless There are hints of how Akai possibly faked his death being given out
The above is all significant in that the plot development continues. The fact that we're learning more about Sera's past, her connection to Ran and Conan, and that hints about how Akai could have faked his death are being pointed out to the reader indicate that we're slowly moving towards a climax for this arc. Amuro's advances on Conan are accelerating, and considering how he can't rely on Haibara' sense of BO agents anymore, Conan is in genuine danger more than ever because he can't tell if BO members are around him and Bourbon is aware of his capabilities and is in close proximity to him. In short, Gosho continues to break the status quo more and more, as I mentioned in the first post, and recent plot developments and their frequency seem to hint at an approaching climax. There's still a few more things left to cover in th bourbon arc to cover, but if the pace continues like this, its easy to see the Bourbon arc ending this year or the beginning of the next, in time for a new arc.
If we assume the end of this arc to be a long confrontation like Clash of Red and Black, we can guess that the climax could begin before ch. 900 and continue to it. Here Gosho could introduce more BO members like Korn and Chianti, members that don't have their own arcs, but probably not too many; Gosho stated he's mostly run out of good names for new members. If the climax of the Bourbon arc includes a confrontation between Bourbon, Akai, the BO, and the climax of Ran's suspicions, it could be bigger than anything we've seen yet. It'd be fitting to top it off with info regarding Anokata, which Gosho might do for next year. This'll be excellent for the setup of a final arc next year.
Kudo Shinchi wrote:(WARNING: The following contains MAJOR spoilers from the manga, so if you are not up to date on the current chapters or are an anime-only watcher, DO NOT READ.)
I know, I know, I’m basically saying DC will end soon, and virtually everyone is skeptical of that. However, recent events in the manga and Gosho’s responses in certain interviews lead me to believe that Gosho does plan to go ahead and finish the series soon. My list of reasons are below. (Also, when I say “soonâ€
um...how comes I can't see the aforementioned points that you made?
) to really pair up these unnecessary characters.
