Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[Akechi 5563]

^^ It'd be pretty funny if it was later revealed that the 'Okiya' disguise was made so that it could be instantly switched to Yuusaku and they predicted such a moment would come in the future. Prof. Agasa was probably successful in making a Time machine to the future i guess xD

[PhantomWriter]

Amuro may quickly pick up on how that Subaru guy he saw a few times before didn't have a mustache, while this one would have a full mustache. He'd likely back down for the moment and regroup. He's not stupid and he'll notice that incongruence quickly. He also has been able to observe a lot of Conan's reactions and would likely do more psychological trickery on Conan to figure out more information about this mess... Assuming he doesn't get killed or sent off to parts unknown for plot convenience. (Which, if either "Amuro's gone" scenarios happens, means there would be dangling unresolved plot threads that Gosho promised to actually address: his real name and Elena, for starters.)

As for other bits of information, that would explain Mask Subaru's reaction to only the discussion of Conan. Though I'd argue that perhaps Akai permitted a civilian's involvement because of that plausible deniability the disguiser would need to have and because of how Amuro's been using ironic process theory throughout this whole mess. To prevent problems, it would need to be someone in Akai's place, someone who wasn't involved with what Akai had been doing, so that they react with genuine lack of knowledge, surprise, and confusion. And Yuusaku has the best plausible deniability: while hiding from editors, he's disguising as a graduate student.

I'm assuming Conan and Akai are busy with the situation involving Jodie and Camel and, if certain topics come up, Mask Subaru is being fed information by Akai. That also explains the different and thicker glasses. To get that permanent squint, Yuusaku would need a prescription stronger than what he usually wears. And, with the stuff with Agasa being mentioned, it's possible that Agasa added something special to the glasses.

(Though, now that I think about it, I do wonder what kind of damage that glasses trick must be doing to Akai's eyes.)

[Sani]

Amuro may quickly pick up on how that Subaru guy he saw a few times before didn't have a mustache, while this one would have a full mustache.

Spoiler:

However, the cover of the current file clearly shows Okiya without the mask and without a mustache, so maybe Amuro wouldn't pick up on the difference that quickly.

[PhantomWriter]

Amuro may quickly pick up on how that Subaru guy he saw a few times before didn't have a mustache, while this one would have a full mustache.

Spoiler:

However, the cover of the current file clearly shows Okiya without the mask and without a mustache, so maybe Amuro wouldn't pick up on the difference that quickly.

That was a comment assuming that Yuusaku is in disguise, doesn't want to shave his mustache, and that the file cover was a red herring. After all, Subaru doesn't take it off yet and Conan has not yet appeared.

[MeiTanteixX]

It's hard to think that yuusaku wouldn't sacrifice his mustache for the sake of one's life, shinichi must have inherited his righteousness ideals from his father, right? Also, we know that gosho uses all kinds of personal styles or giveaways that definies who the character is(such as ran's pointy part of the hair, akai's eyebags etc.), in this case, shaving his mustache away wouldn't create character recognition problems, especially since we have seen him without it in the past. This kind of removal can be compared to Eri and vermouth without lipstick, or even kogoro without mustache.

As for an excuse to why he disguised to okiya and invited amuro, as previously mentioned, he can just say that he disguised as okiya, who he asked to look after the house, to avoid the reporters(who are probably waiting for the announcement of the winner of the macademy awards and hear out the comments of the probable winner, yuusaku). As for why he invited amuro, he can go with the lines that he thought he was a reporter who wanted to interview him, thus explaining why he described the waiting reporters as friends. Ofc, hospitality is also one reason, especially since amuro mentioned that he wasn't meeting okiya for the first time.

[mihai]

Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them there. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.

The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.

The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.

Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.

I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?

nice, Yuusaku being in disguise is a growing possibility. Like that, the reporters could have followed yuusaku from LA and also there is a legit explanation why Yuusaku is disguised as Okiya. Since they need to try and delay the discovery of Akai as much as possible, this is the best way

[Paix672]

Spoiler:

I don't think Amuro would be deceived as easily. For one, the reports outside would serve as a red flag, as someone mentioned earlier -- Akai as Okiya would certainly try to stay as inconspicuous as possible. Secondly, after what he's told Conan, he can't possibly expect Akai to sit around and wait for him. I find it very doubtful that he didn't anticipate them devising a plan of action to counter him (whether it involves someone else disguising as Okiya or not) and thus planned accordingly. Perhaps, the reason why he still confronted the fake Okiya knowingly was to probe for more information about Conan. Although, I do wonder how all of this would play into catching the real Akai if that's the case.

Amuro may quickly pick up on how that Subaru guy he saw a few times before didn't have a mustache, while this one would have a full mustache. He'd likely back down for the moment and regroup. He's not stupid and he'll notice that incongruence quickly. He also has been able to observe a lot of Conan's reactions and would likely do more psychological trickery on Conan to figure out more information about this mess... Assuming he doesn't get killed or sent off to parts unknown for plot convenience. (Which, if either "Amuro's gone" scenarios happens, means there would be dangling unresolved plot threads that Gosho promised to actually address: his real name and Elena, for starters.)

I don't think Amuro has seen Okiya's face before this time. So the mustache might not even matter in this case.

[Jd-]

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[Conan 48:69]

Perhaps there will be 3 "Subaru Okiya" appeared, first is Okiya disguised by someone other than Akai like Yusaku or Yukiko who is currently drinking tea with Bourbon in Kudou Residence, second is Okiya disguised by Akai appearing at Raiha Pass to assist FBI, and third is the real Okiya suddenly appear outside Kudou Residence.

[mihai]

Yuusaku and Akai have virtually identical face styles. That means Yuusaku can pull off the Okiya disguise WITHOUT a mask, most likely. He can just pop on the hair, the glasses, and the mask - voila instant Okiya! That will give Yuusaku extreme plausible deniability as far as Amuro is concerned. What's Amuro going to do, complain at Yuusaku that he's not the same Okiya as before?

saw this one just now, but you're right. Yuusaku could pull off the disguise without much problems or help from Yukiko. This way Yuusaku disguised ever since he left LA so the reporters won't find him to easy but probably used his own passport and reporters still found out and are currently waiting outside his house. Another thing besides reacting only to the mention of Conan is that 'Okiya' insisted to leave the TV on, probably for the moment when they say that Kudou Yuusaku could not be there to pick up his prize so that Amuro would be convinced that it's not someone else under the Yuusaku disguise.

As for Akai showing up at Raiha pass, it all depends on who trapped Camel and Jodie and what are their intentions. You'd think the BO won't openly go after FBI just now and not before. So it's either not BO or they just want to stall Camel and Jodie if those are working for Bourbon.

[User 4869]

Someone mention before that a number of tricks to have people chase after Jodie and Camel. They may be PISA under Amuro. Police who react to crime report. Yusaku's another group of editors chasing what they thought to be their writer. Couple with the road block ahead of the,could be just a car tried to pass each other. Amuro might has no backup at all. Which is weird.

[The_evilbit]

I can only speculate on who is chasing the FBI because really at this point we as the readers do not know. There is little for us to really go on other than Gosho's writing style. I am convinced both Conan an Akai are pulling a Kansas City Shuffle. Bourbon however, I do not think would risk exposing himself by calling police or some other group he can't control after the FBI. He needs at the very least detain Jodie and Camel, not just spook them by sending police officers after them. Even if it was the police, remember the entire country only has 10 detectives in it, so there is a high probably they would be instantly known as FBI "Tourists" and let go.

I personally think if Bourbon is undercover for another agency those are his men. Remember he mentioned his unknown colleagues would collect Shiho during the Mystery Train case. Its obvious Bourbon controls or has pull with some entity.

I do not believe they are BO either as Gin would be hunting down Kir right now and the BO would be sending everyone to the Kudo residence instead.

So in conclusion I do not know.

[RoboG55]

Amuro may quickly pick up on how that Subaru guy he saw a few times before didn't have a mustache, while this one would have a full mustache.

Well, wouldn't the mask cover the mustache anyway?

[MeiTanteixX]

I can only speculate on who is chasing the FBI because really at this point we as the readers do not know. There is little for us to really go on other than Gosho's writing style. I am convinced both Conan an Akai are pulling a Kansas City Shuffle. Bourbon however, I do not think would risk exposing himself by calling police or some other group he can't control after the FBI. He needs at the very least detain Jodie and Camel, not just spook them by sending police officers after them. Even if it was the police, remember the entire country only has 10 detectives in it, so there is a high probably they would be instantly known as FBI "Tourists" and let go.

I personally think if Bourbon is undercover for another agency those are his men. Remember he mentioned his unknown colleagues would collect Shiho during the Mystery Train case. Its obvious Bourbon controls or has pull with some entity.

I do not believe they are BO either as Gin would be hunting down Kir right now and the BO would be sending everyone to the Kudo residence instead.

So in conclusion I do not know.

but then why did he deliberately mention where he is taking her? He said clearly that he is taking her back to organization alive, he could've just been silent about where he is taking her, not lie about it, if his so-called agency colleagues weren't gonna take her there. Sure, he wouldn't anticipate that she will think they're taking her for protection (if that's the case) but it's better than lying and and actually making her resist more!!

[pikacutie25]

I think it's definitely highly likely that Mask Subaru is Yuusaku. Considering his reactions and statements this chapter, that is. If he doesn't have some way of communicating with someone else (which is highly unlikely considering the situation, but still), that mini-deduction of his concerning who left his prints on the phone is something Yuusaku would easily be able to do himself without trouble. And then there's his statement on page 4, "A staple ingredient of mysteries." He should know, he's a mystery novel author himself.