Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[Xenita00]

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on 895 when okiya n amuro on the living room, do they heard device about camel n jodie in the car? i see amuro put something on the table

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The sound in the car where are Camel and Jodie is Camel saying "Shh", like "silence" or "damn it" i think.
The sound about Amuro's phone could be that:
·Amuro wants to record confirmation Okiya is Akai (then proceed to kidnap Akai and other FBI agents (or just kidnap Akai)). Because at the begin of the chapter Amuro says about her companions outside Kudo's house: "-They like waiting outside … but … it’ll depend on your answers and actions …"
·Amuro is waiting a call from his companions saying Jodie and Camel are already kidnapped to make pressure in Akai and his answer.
·Amuro wants to record confirmation Okiya is Akai to Gin or to Black Organisation's boss.
Any other proposal

[Jd-]

The file has to be done long before it actually release date. And it usually "leaks" on Friday of the previous week. But how the Chinese scan people, and DCTP got a hold of the leak file is beyond me. I afraid that I cannot be more clear because that all I know.

Some mysteries, my friend... They are best left unsolved~!

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on 895 when okiya n amuro on the living room, do they heard device about camel n jodie in the car? i see amuro put something on the table

As far as we know,

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this was Amuro placing his phone down and saying he's waiting for a call regarding a trap he has set. He could be secretly recording it, but that's not mentioned or detailed.

[Xenita00]

I think the real Okiya/Akai is in Raiha for save to Jodie, in the film 18, he said:

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''I'll protect you even of cost my life''.

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Conan is with Akai in Raiha, and there are a lots FBI agents in Kudo's House and in Raiha where Akai hidde before his car exploit.

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I think the same. In addition to what you said, I think Conan has already solved all: Amuro's companions have already been arrested by FBI (thanks to James, who knows a lot about Conan's plans, i think) and Amuro is in trouble. Furthermore, if Okiya is Yusaku, Yusaku have contacts in Interpol and Interpol could be helping. Maybe CIA is helping too (thanks to Kir). (Speaking of the CIA, I hope Eisuke will appear soon, I really miss him.)

[AICHAN]

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I think the same. In addition to what you said, I think Conan has already solved all: Amuro's companions have already been arrested by FBI (thanks to James, who knows a lot about Conan's plans, i think) and Amuro is in trouble. Furthermore, if Okiya is Yusaku, Yusaku have contacts in Interpol and Interpol could be helping. Maybe CIA is helping too (thanks to Kir). (Speaking of the CIA, I hope Eisuke will appear soon, I really miss him.)

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really???you're the first person to say that XDXD
No seriously,FBI+Interpol+CIA...that would be too much.I'm expecting Amuro to have a plan in mind,or else that would end up too fast.Maybe he figured out that this Okiya isn't the real one.At least I hope so.

[Okiyakaivan]

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Oh, that one make me curious, if amuro kidnap akai. who will protect haibara n sera, when he not around anymore. We don't know what could happen to them in future?

[AICHAN]

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Oh, that one make me curious, if amuro kidnap akai. who will protect haibara n sera, when he not around anymore. We don't know what could happen to them in future?

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good question...let's see what Gosho will do.
And I wonder how Ai and Sera will learn the truth about Akai,if they are not involved in these chapters.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them there. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.

The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.

The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.

Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.

I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?

[Okiyakaivan]

im worried about camel n jodie

[AICHAN]

I'm really worried about Amuro,this is a bad situation for him,I really hope he has some plan in mind.

[Pororo623]

Translations for Chapter 895; pages 4, 5, 6, 8
Again, translations may be incorrect, just read mine for a general idea for what's going on.
There isn't much mind-blowing information, everyone in this discussion predicted what Amuro was saying very well:

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Page 4

Amuro : Do you like reasoning? (TN: probably along the lines of "do you like riddles/mind games?"
Subaru : Yes... Do you also...
Amuro : Then let's begin with one...
Amuro : It's about a corpse... (TN: not sure I translated this line correctly)
Subaru : Oh-....
Subaru : A common type of reasoning (riddle)...
Amuro : A man shot in the head with a pistol is left on a mountain, with his whole car burned up...
Amuro : The man's remaining fingerprints are collected...
Amuro : And a boy's cell phone which the man touched in his lifetime matches with the fingerprints, proving the man is dead....

Page 5

Amuro : But there is still something strange...
Subaru : What's so strange about the fact that
Subaru : Fingerprints were left on the phone?
Amuro : The man is obviously left-handed...
Amuro : Why does the cellphone have the right hand's fingerprints.... Don't you think it's strange?
Subaru : Maybe it was more convenient to hold the phone with the left hand, the right hand might've been occupied.
Amuro : ...Or maybe using the right hand was intentional...
Subaru : Oh...
Subaru : Why?
Amuro : Before the man, there were other men who picked up the phone, other right-handed men...
Subaru : Other men?
Amuro : Yes... In fact, there are 3 men who seem to possibly have touched the phone...
Amuro : So, the question is...
Amuro : The first man to pick up the phone is a tall, fat man...
Amuro : Next it a man with a tall, thin figure...
Amuro : The last man is an elder with a pacemaker...
Amuro : There is only one out of the three who left the child with the fingerprints..
Amuro : Who do you think it is?
Subaru : ...

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Subaru : It is the tall, thin man, right?
Subaru : The first fat man would have wiped his fingerprints off the phone... he would feel embarrassed letting two people touch a greasy phone...
Subaru : The third elder may be dangerously affected if he picks up the phone, so he wouldn't have picked up the phone.
Amuro : Yes...
Subaru : But after the thin man, the dead man picked up the phone, right? So the man;s fingerprints...
Amuro : (TN: ?)
Amuro : I'm afraid the man had expected it...
Amuro : And made advances...

Page 8

Subaru : So much reasoning (thinking)... a deep case...
Subaru : But the man who was supposedly not killed...
Subaru : What method did he use to leave the scene?
Amuro : Before I answer this...
Amuro : Can you turn off the TV? We're discussing important matters after all.
Subaru : No, I'd like to keep it on. (TN: not sure)
Subaru : I like to watch the Academy Awards.
Subaru : And then what? How about the man...
Amuro : If the man and the woman who shot him were accomplices...
Amuro : He probably secretly fled on the woman's car...
Amuro : In order to deceive people far away..
Amuro : To deceive the eyes of a certain man monitoring the scene..
Subaru : It was monitored?
Amuro : Ah... a perfect fool watched the scene...Anyway, when the man was shot, blood was shed

You can probably try connecting the rest of the story with other translations. Like I said before, there wasn't much we didn't expect,

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but I thought it was funny how Amuro called Gin a fool...

[asanez2008]

Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them their. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.

The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.

The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.

Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.

I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?

i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.

[Kor]

i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.

I find it hard to believe Gin and Vodka would accept Bourbon's explanation as much as I find it hard to believe that Bourbon, an established secretive lonely type, would let Gin and Vodka know about his deduction regarding Akai's death.
Gin believes he saw Akai getting killed, so what would make him reconsider? Gin knows Bourbon is practically obsessed with killing Akai. If Gin actually believed Okiya is Akai, Gin would probably take matters into his own hands, and not let Bourbon deal with it. Heck, if Bourbon truly convinced Gin that there's a chance Akai's alive, then he wouldn't be outside of the Kudo's house; he'd be pointing a gun at Kir's head.
Moreover, it's really unlike the B.O. to be ganging out of someone's house.

I also don't see in any of the panels a sniper dot at Okiya's head, so could you please post a picture and pinpoint exactly where you see it.

[asanez2008]

i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.

I find it hard to believe Gin and Vodka would accept Bourbon's explanation as much as I find it hard to believe that Bourbon, an established secretive lonely type, would let Gin and Vodka know about his deduction regarding Akai's death.
Gin believes he saw Akai getting killed, so what would make him reconsider? Gin knows Bourbon is practically obsessed with killing Akai. If Gin actually believed Okiya is Akai, Gin would probably take matters into his own hands, and not let Bourbon deal with it. Heck, if Bourbon truly convinced Gin that there's a chance Akai's alive, then he wouldn't be outside of the Kudo's house; he'd be pointing a gun at Kir's head.
Moreover, it's really unlike the B.O. to be ganging out of someone's house.

I also don't see in any of the panels a sniper dot at Okiya's head, so could you please post a picture and pinpoint exactly where you see it.

someone posted a link for the raws somewhere. Ok here's the page http://www.imagebam.com/image/81b9ab322732665
if the author made a mistake then i'm wrong with my assumptions.

[Kor]

Please translate page 7 file 895!! Really want to read! And what Amuro said on page 6 after last words of Okiya on this page (...?)

Patience, patience. It will be translated eventually.

[Xenita00]

Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them their. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.

The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.

The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.

Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.

I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?

i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.

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I doubt Vodka and Gin are outside waiting because they are a high level inside black organisation and only work in important cases. Furthermore, Bourbon is low level and he have only a hypotesis, he isn't sure. Gin and Vodka needs facts to work, above all Gin.
Those guys outside Kudo's house could be reporters or B.O. members of low low level (hitmen).