Anokata theory: The boss may be...

[kuro_shiro]

1-The boss's name has already appeared in the manga in some way: James Black actually appeared in the early chapters, but he was never revealed to be with the FBI. He was just another random character. If James Black was the boss of the BO, then it would make sense why he appeared earlier. You see, Gosho Ayoma never really thought the series would make it this far. He thought that it would only last for several months, so he probably had the ending in mind, and that's why he showed us James Black.

as i said before  

so if take gosho's word as truth then anokata is just one of the 1000+ characters mentioned till the date of statement.

first of all what you mean by early? james black was mentioned first in file 325(i checked wiki) [and akai shuichi on file 287, even earlier]

so if we consider that gosho has ending in mind and he thought manga will end in a year or two ,then max number of manga chapter is 160
so he would have introduced him earliar but file 325 is like atleast 6 years later.

besides a number of characters including akai and jodie appeared before him and they were also not mentioned to be the FBI in early stage.

2-The boss is someone whom Haibara would have never guessed: Well duh, Haibara thinks that the boss is some kind of ruthless killer. And it is also said that he is very impatient. So she will be surprised if it turns out that he is actually under cover working with the FBI, the same guys she trusts.

ai trust James Black?? when did they met ??
i answer it here  no , never
james still think that ai is shiho's lookalike(he will continue to think so until conan tells him about APTX4869)

moreover list of people(if found to be anokata) that would surprise haibara is everyone minus okiya (akai)
the person who will surprise ai most is definitely conan  

3-If the true name of the BO was revealed, we could find out the name of the boss: Well, James Black is from an English origin, so he would probably name the organization an English name. Meaning that if the true name of the BO was revealed, all our fingers would be pointed at an English person. And there aren't many English people in Detective Conan, so James Black would be the perfect fit.

Another proof would be James Black's name. Black, as in Black Organization. Maybe:)

So what do u guys think? I would really appreciate ur opinions, critisism...

so organisation's name is in english . what a leap in logic!!
plus on dcw, it says that BO's japanese name is   é»’ã

[irishock]

I think Kudo Yusaku is the only present character in the series that has the brainpower to operate as the boss. Of course, you're asking, why would he put his own son in such a dangerous position? He probably testing his son's abilities. I don't think he believes Conan can actually be the silver bullet of his "night baron" organization (or whatever name).

[Sato]

A person who overthink.... Jirokichi? If B.O. in Kaitou Kid's world is different than DC, the boss might want him captured alive to gain reputation... I'm thinking, it's him.

[M.Holmes]

I think Kudo Yusaku is the only present character in the series that has the brainpower to operate as the boss. Of course, you're asking, why would he put his own son in such a dangerous position? He probably testing his son's abilities. I don't think he believes Conan can actually be the silver bullet of his "night baron" organization (or whatever name).

You mean he's the only one who has been revealed to have the brainpower on the level of Anokata. If the boss has been revealed as a character in the series to date, I can almost guarantee it's someone who put on a facade of mediocrity (think on the level of Megure or the FBI agents besides Akai) or outright stupidity (think on the level of Kogoro/Inspector Yamamoto).

Yusaku is simply too obvious of a suspect to be a suspect, if that makes any sense. It would leave far too many readers unsatisfied and I doubt that's something the author of such a masterpiece would do.

[Feb914]

though there's thousands of suspects, most likely it should be a recurring character...... it will narrow the number to about a hundred suspects......  i wonder how Gosho will reveal the Anokata, i just wish that it's not suddenly a recurring character have a change of character or action....

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

If Shinichi is a modern day Holmes, then Anokata one might guess is a modern day Moriarty. Given that Anokata is the center of a web of crime, it seems s/he is somewhat based off this famous Holmes foil. This would suggest looking for someone who excels exceptionally in their field as a genius, since Moriarty was a celebrated professor of Mathematics.

It seems unlikely that someone who knows Shinichi's secret would be Anokata, like Yusako or Agasa, since the B.O. would then know of Sherry's transformation. If not, it seems implausible that Shinichi's relationship with Anokata would derail him/her from their objective, especially with respect to eliminating Sherry and letting Shinichi actively work against them.

Theories about Kogoro don't make sense to me because Gin almost killed Mouri in the Kir arc had it not been for Akai. To say this was done to cast suspicion off Kogoro doesn't make sense because he was never suspected by the FBI in the first place and Gin's actions put Kogoro on their radar. To me, this incident would also rule out Kisaki Eri, though her being undefeated as an attorney does put her on a level of excellence similar to Moriarty.

One also has to consider the scope of Anokata and the B.O.'s plan, I think, to also consider possible candidates. My initial guess, before the Itakura arc, was that Anokata was Kuroba Toichi, which would explain why Vermouth is Anokata's favorite and why Kaitou Kid has a recurring role in the manga. To Gosho, the foil of the detective is the magician, not the criminal, and Kuroba was a master magician.

[spn]

@MagicianUndertheMoonlight:

That's one of the reasons I stick to my "Atsushi is the boss"-theory - he is a "mad" professor like Moriarty was and I'm pretty sure that he has the brain capabilities to lead an organization with such a goal and fake his death in order to hide his whereabouts (hence the "unbelievable characters", that would come up if the police would know about the Org. and take measures against them).

Kuroba Toichi was also a long-time favourite of mine (I posted a more detailed article about him in this regard in a german forum, maybe I'll translate it some day), but it's kinda out of date now - Gosho himself said that he won't merge the storylines of MK and DC because it would be "too confusing" or something along that lines (though I think it's a rather weak argument... as if he wouldn't already make it confusing all the time... and he probably never heard of the Marvel Universe. XD'), which rules out Toichi for me until the Manga proves otherwise (the current arc could be a good base for such a merge... all these Kaitou Kid things being shown and mentioned, etc.)

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

@spn:

My only concern with Atsushi is that one would then have to explain why he has the BO hunting down to kill his daughter after ordering his first one be murdered as well.

I think we can rule Jirokichi out now, since he's having the police wait for the train to pull into the station for the arrest. If he were Anokata, he would not have the police around while his organization is waiting for and on the train, trying to kill Shiho. Even if he were confident in Vermouth and Bourbon's ability to kill Shiho, if they failed there would be a chance that Shiho would be caught by the authorities and that would be compromising.

My guess, going further, is Anokata is someone who is old, considering that Pisco had been with the organization for a while and was elderly as well. This person has a lot of funds, considering Pisco owned a car company and Ai worked in a drug plant the BO seemed to own. There is a chance that this person is younger now because of Ai's drug, which confounds things a bit. In the mermaid case, Shiho was one of the winners of the elder's arrows, most likely investigating its immortality properties for the drug which would be related to prolonging Anokata's life.

I believe Vermouth is Anokata's favorite because of her acting career. Anokata probably admired her as an actress and offered her her youth in exchange for being a cloak and dagger assassin of the BO.

I also think Anokata's identity cannot be separated from the goal of the BO. Gosho did say that if we knew the BO's actual name, that we would know who Anokata is. When Vermouth said that they're "trying to raise the dead against the stream of time", I think she was speaking figuratively. I think the BO is trying to revive an old regime or culture in Japan that has been dead for a long time, possibly related to Japan's supremacy in the world, given the international dimension of the BO seen from the FBI and CIA's involvement. The program Itakura designed, as well as the BOs interest in computer programmers, might be related to either destroying the technology after the era they're nostalgic for, or for militant purposes if it's related to supremacy.

Just some super random thoughts...

[spn]

@MagicianUndertheMoonlight:

I think your "super random thoughts" are really interesting. o_o I also don't really believe that it's like this... but why not?
Maybe her words really were meant to express the aim of reviving an old, gone era. Here's a REALLY hyper random continuation of your thoughts:

Perhaps Anokata and Vermouth (who seems to be at least 80 years old, this is also supported by Chekhov's theories with the timeline) are much, much older than that - they are the sole survivors of this time (because of their halted or extremely slowed down agings), maybe they were lovers or acquainted in another way, which would explain the Boss's favoritism of Vermouth. In the present day, Anokata is a really nostalgic old man (who probably doesn't look like that) and wants his old times back, with him (and probably Vermouth) young again, just like in the past days, hence Pisco's comment to Ai that the de-aging went in the right direction. This could also explain Gin's possession of such an old german car (production of it was stopped in 1965), if Anokata gave it to him who could have purchased it back then. It could also be the explanation why the boss is using a number based on an old Japanese children's song from 1921.

This could also be supported by Ai's comment that, if the police would take measures against them and they reveal themselves, they could uncover "some unbelievable characters". True in this case when one keeps in mind that Anokata and Vermouth not only should be dead, they should actually be dead for a very long time. Vermouth's actions against the aims of the Organization could be because she doesn't believe in the aim of Anokata anymore and/or thinks that they doesn't belong in this time.

Like you've said, Vermouth's quote of "trying to raise the dead against the stream of time" could support this idea of recreating an old era. Itakura's software, which he didn't complete "for the sake of humanity" (which is admittedly a really bold reason) and the connection of the BO to the Night Baron virus could be to damage or outright destroy modern technology and/or society with it. If all of this would be true, it'd be interesting to think about Gosho's hints: "The true name of the BO is tied to the identity of it's leader" and "The boss appeared in the Manga in some form". Maybe it's a historical figure that was mentioned or depicted somewhere?
I think about that a little bit more, I'm sure I will find more "evidences" for this nonsense. XD

... Sorry for my weird thoughts but MagicianUndertheMoonlight's (couldn't you have chosen a shorter nick name? ;_; ) post was really inspiring.

[fredinalnumber]

I think James Black as the boss is an interesting idea. Since he's supposed to be the head of the operation to stop BO in Japan, it would explain why BO can exist for so long without being caught. He can pretend to try to catch BO.

Anyway, I just want to bring a new perspective. I think Gosho's words were that if we know the name of the organization, the identity of the boss would be obvious, right? Rather than the name of the organization being related to the name of the boss, which I think is quite stupid actually, it could be that we have already known the name of the organization, like CIA, FBI or Nichiuri TV. These are not guesses but if we have already known the name of the organization, the boss is obvious, right? It could be that the black organization is pretending to be a good organization in front of the public. BO has been around for more than half a century so their credibility as a good organization would be established and no longer be questioned now. I hope I'm making sense here.

[Feb914]

Seeing that people said that Anokata can be very old, is it possible that he is Renya Karasuma? or he was the founder of BO?

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

My issue with James Black being the boss is that he has been privy to all of the FBI's activities in their confrontations with the BO. In fact, he orchestrated a lot of it. Yet, despite this, Gin and the other BO members act cautiously in the Kir captured arc and as if they are unsure of the FBI's strategies afterward.

With Karasuma Renya, it seems odd to me with a mansion made of gold that the BO would just leave it there to be found by the detectives 40 years later. It's hard to argue that they have enough finances to overlook such a source of funding their boss/original founder accumulated.

[Feb914]

I don't think that James Black will be kind of double agent, especially if he's BO boss. Though I won't be surprised if he and BO leader had some old history, to spice up the tense between FBI and BO.

[fredinalnumber]

I just found out about the theories that Atsushi Miyano or Elena Miyano is the BO boss. I think it would be very interesting if it's true. Read more here: viewtopic.php?t=8229.0

[El Huesudo II]

...Gosho's hints: "The true name of the BO is tied to the identity of it's leader" and "The boss appeared in the Manga in some form".

Whenever I remember these hints, I can't help but form a really crazy, almost crack-induced theory.

What if the Black Organization's true name turns out to be the Suzuki Financial Corp?

I mean, it's a big organization (big enough to fund everything the booze-named men in black do, one could say), it's been mentioned several times already (hell, isn't a Suzuki one of the most recurring characters in the show, anyway?), and it would be one HELL of a twist (not to mention it would cause severe amounts of drama through Sonoko).

I mean, if we go by Van Dine's 10th rule, the culprit must have a prominent part in the story. However, since the BO is not a physical person, but an entire entity, I'd say Suzuki Financial Corp. is so far the most prominent organization in the show after the Metro Police Dept.

I know, it sounds crazy, and part of me would like this to be just a crack theory with no possibility of being the truth. (But part of me would still like a twist THIS heavy.)