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Not likely to show up this case; it would be too complicated. Also the target is a month out. The Mystery of the Blue Train / Death on the Nile anyone?
...Ooooooooooh, so that's why one of the cases in Special Volume 36 is titled that. *had no idea*

Anyway, really awesome post. Looking forward to seeing if your theories play out!
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The thing about Amuro is that I don't see how he would have known about Ai and the ring before she became Sherry. Unless a "Ran said everything is super detail that morning" kind of excuse.
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ProfParanoia wrote: The thing about Amuro is that I don't see how he would have known about Ai and the ring before she became Sherry. Unless a "Ran said everything is super detail that morning" kind of excuse.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Amuro saw Sherry in the video wearing the ring. The ring is for people that are getting on the train. Thus, he assumed that she had the ring since she was going to be going on the train. He goes to the train looking for Sherry.

There's nothing about his actions that say he knows about Ai. He's looking for her older form, not Haibara Ai.
That's what I'm saying by that, if he's looking for someone it shouldn't be Ai but Shiho, which seems like and important distinction in motive. He shouldn't have been able to do any "this means they're the same" like Sera and Okiya could have.
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Since he's most likely among the characters who are allowed to find out about the shrinking thing, he'll probably understand as soon as he sees Haibara.
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Wakarimashita wrote: Since he's most likely among the characters who are allowed to find out about the shrinking thing, he'll probably understand as soon as he sees Haibara.
Yeah that's what I think
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Wakarimashita wrote: Since he's most likely among the characters who are allowed to find out about the shrinking thing, he'll probably understand as soon as he sees Haibara.
Ya I'm sure he will, but I mean him being all "Ah so the bell tree is her next move" and not "who's this chick and why do i care?" being a suspect response given that he wouldn't have known about Ai ahead of time.
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ProfParanoia wrote: Ya I'm sure he will, but I mean him being all "Ah so the bell tree is her next move" and not "who's this chick and why do i care?" being a suspect response given that he wouldn't have known about Ai ahead of time.
So you're confused as to why he knows who Shiho is/what she looks like?  Because otherwise I don't know what you're talking about here.
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GinRei wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: Ya I'm sure he will, but I mean him being all "Ah so the bell tree is her next move" and not "who's this chick and why do i care?" being a suspect response given that he wouldn't have known about Ai ahead of time.
So you're confused as to why he knows who Shiho is/what she looks like?  Because otherwise I don't know what you're talking about here.
I'm saying that is suspicious that his attention was so grabbed by Shiho and her destination, yes.
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ProfParanoia wrote: I'm saying that is suspicious that his attention was so grabbed by Shiho and her destination, yes.
How so?  We know from the Vermouth arc that there's at least one picture the BO has of Sherry/Shiho.  It only makes sense that the BO's #1 target's picture would be distributed to high ranking members with orders to kill on sight.  If he only had an image of her, and thus couldn't kill her, wouldn't the logical thing to do be to discern her next location, if possible?
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sonoci wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote:
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ProfParanoia wrote: Ya I'm sure he will, but I mean him being all "Ah so the bell tree is her next move" and not "who's this chick and why do i care?" being a suspect response given that he wouldn't have known about Ai ahead of time.
So you're confused as to why he knows who Shiho is/what she looks like?  Because otherwise I don't know what you're talking about here.
I'm saying that is suspicious that his attention was so grabbed by Shiho and her destination, yes.
...Isn't it...his...job to...uh, know who Shiho is and...where she's going? ._. I'm...confused about the confusion. Wasn't Bourbon's motive to find Sherry established when he was first mentioned? >_> How would he find her if he didn't know what she looked like? Or furthermore if he didn't try to actively catch her once he got a clue as to where she might be?
Are you people really not getting this?!

Yes, it would be bourbon's job to know about what shiho is up to, which is why it would make Amuro (the guy who wouldn't have known of Ai) suspicious.

@GinRei: So it was explicitly stated that Amuro is bourbon?
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ProfParanoia wrote: Are you people really not getting this?!

Yes, it would be bourbon's job to know about what shiho is up to, which is why it would make Amuro (the guy who wouldn't have known of Ai) suspicious.

@GinRei: So it was explicitly stated that Amuro is bourbon?
It obviously hasn't been explicitly stated that Amuro is Bourbon, but it's the most logical theory out there at the moment.  You seem to be forgetting your original argument, which was wondering how he knew about Ai before she became Shiho.  He didn't, he only knew of Shiho.  Then you said if he were looking for someone, it should be Shiho and not Ai, and that he shouldn't know that Ai is Shiho shrunk.  But he is looking for Shiho, not Ai.  He doesn't even know what Ai looks like, as he's never met her nor seen a picture of her.  Then you questioned why he cared about Shiho and her destination, since he doesn't know about Ai.  Again, it has nothing to do with Ai.  He cares about Shiho, and he cares about her destination, for the reasons stated before.

Even in the unlikely event that he's not BO, he'd either be FBI or CIA.  It would still be his job to find and protect her, so he'd still care about her destination.
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And I was using that as a springboard for "this adds to the idea of him being bourbon". you and sonoci, however, were confused because you've repeated the idea of it so many times it's become a fact. I was adding to the pile while you just didn't feel like you needed one. I was asking it like a question, because I didn't want people to complain I was being too definitive with that tidbit, whilst apparently im supposed to be more definitive with no tidbits.

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Wakarimashita wrote: Since he's most likely among the characters who are allowed to find out about the shrinking thing, he'll probably understand as soon as he sees Haibara.
I think Amuro seems to be too loyal to the Org not to report Haibara based on what he did with the video. I suppose he could find out Ai is Shiho, but then he would have to plot killed because he found out her secret identity.  

Edit: If Prof is in the Amuro != Bourbon camp he needs to come clean soon because I'll run out of time to convince him to join the moshpit.  ;D
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Haibara with her cold will probably turn to Shiho again.
But will Conan turn to Shinichi too? In the London case, he used it without a cold afaik, so~
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