Importance of Ran as a character

[kkslider5552000]

also, and this is probably because the series has come to a complete halt after the Red Shirt case was done and apparently needed the confession of 1/2 of the MAIN COUPLE OF THE SERIES AN ENTIRE YEAR LATER for literally anything even ridiculously small to actually happen or even attempt to look like is moving in some direction in this series again...

...but her reaction to every "supernatural" case (and while all good, I think I've seen 5 cases with fake supernatural elements) being exactly the same doesn't exactly help. It really highlights the problem that the writing isn't letting Ran learn anything. I, mean, even if for a tiny amount of time, wouldn't it be cool if Ran at least temporarily didn't fall into believing in the supernatural after the 50th time? I mean I like stuff like that, like when there's one suspect who is sad over the loss of their loved one and Megure is still suspicious (I believe it was the Shiratori movie case) or starts to notice Conan's actually the one always around when murders happen, or Haibara increasingly aware about how silly some of these relationships can be or Conan not using Sleeping Kogoro nearly as much after the Red Shirt case (manga might have ruined that, I dunno).

[redangelran]

Ran imo serves as a constant in Shinichi's life. He sees the worst of humanity frequently whether it's the murderer or the actions of their victims. Also, being a good detective is to not trust people easily or be fooled by their lies. Ran is someone he can count on, someone he can trust. Her feelings for him is genuine and unwavering, which I think is something Shinichi really needs in life. She isn't after him for his fame or wealth, traits allowing Sonoko to consider her her best friend.

Ran may not directly contribute to the solution of cases, but she is Shinichi's anchor; it makes her as important as anyone else in the series.

^ wow.
I really love your explanation

[Miyao]

Ran imo serves as a constant in Shinichi's life. He sees the worst of humanity frequently whether it's the murderer or the actions of their victims. Also, being a good detective is to not trust people easily or be fooled by their lies. Ran is someone he can count on, someone he can trust. Her feelings for him is genuine and unwavering, which I think is something Shinichi really needs in life. She isn't after him for his fame or wealth, traits allowing Sonoko to consider her her best friend.

Ran may not directly contribute to the solution of cases, but she is Shinichi's anchor; it makes her as important as anyone else in the series.

^ wow.
I really love your explanation

True~ *cries*

[kkslider5552000]

(and while all good, I think I've seen 5 cases with fake supernatural elements)

I meant to say in the past year but forgot...

I like the cases but if we don't see another fake supernatural case for years, I won't exactly be heartbroken.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Whoa~
With kkslider quoting himself he suddenly go 100% more creepy for me D:

[kkslider5552000]

Whoa~
With kkslider quoting himself he suddenly go 100% more creepy for me D:

[kirite]

I love how the first thing I see when I come back to visit General discussion is this thread.  ::)

Just like old times eh Ranger.  Trololol.


Along with karate, Ran is there to win all your lotteries and explain Chinese history to people who don't know anything about it.  She doesn't use her gambling skills, karate skills or Chinese history to solve cases...OH HEAVENS NO! ONLY SHINICHI CAN DO THAT!!!  And of course she alike 99% of the characters in this story (Agasa, Ayumi, Haibara, Sonoko, etc...) makes observations about things that will lead to the end of the case.  Oh and alike Haibara and Ayumi, she cooks food so everyone doesn't starve to death.  Cause you know, according to Gosho, it seems only girls can do cooking around here.  

[sonoci]

sono-chi and the others,yeah...maybe i was too attach to a fictional chara...
thanks sono.chii i did what you suggest

No prob \o/

@kkslider: I definitely agree with you on Ran's reactions to the supernatural. I like those types of things too, but it'd be nice if maybe there could be more moments like 234 (I think) where the guy ran at her with his shirt over his head, she "screamed" then when "Really?" and proceeded to kick his ass. I don't really remember the case, but that moment was awesome.

@kirite: KIRITEEEEEEEEE <3

[Wakarimashita]

@kkslider: I definitely agree with you on Ran's reactions to the supernatural. I like those types of things too, but it'd be nice if maybe there could be more moments like 234 (I think) where the guy ran at her with his shirt over his head, she "screamed" then when "Really?" and proceeded to kick his ass. I don't really remember the case, but that moment was awesome.

I'm sure Kkslider would LOVE more cases like that (274-275).  ;D

[pofa]

Cause you know, according to Gosho, it seems only girls and Okiya can do cooking around here. 

Fixed before Chekhov gets angry.

[mangaluva]

I like Ran, but I feel like her character is degenerating into a parody of herself; she's going from having any depth or relevance at all to being a source of food, asskickery and tears when the angst level is dropping. It seems to be a common affliction of characters in long-runners, where the writer gets lazy, picks two or three character traits and makes the character all about those, as extremely as possible. It's like what happened to EVERYBODY in the last couple seasons of Scrubs.

[Megane Tantei]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

[IHKF]

Yeah, well, if that's what you really think, then reevaluate the whole thing.
What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.
Imagine the series without Ran.
I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

It's not just Ran. Ran is his reason to stay in JAPAN while all of this is going on instead of traveling over-seas safely with his parents until he can figure it all out but he knows that he has a life and obligations as Shinichi Kudo. He's not returning to Shinichi just to stay with Ran. In fact, if Ran weren't apart of the series, i'm willing to bet you that he would want to get back to being Shinichi JUST as eagerly.

Haibara seemingly has way more relevance to the plot than Ran does, and while I think Ran MAY have a part in it at the end, I think Haibara will turn out to be a far more essential character. She clues him in on the Organization when she first shows up- valuable information he may never have gotten otherwise. And kicking down doors and staying calm while kidnapped don't count as "being brave and kick@$$"... mainly because kicking down a door is kicking down a door and there are many characters (like Kazuha or Eri or Sato) that can do that in the series and staying calm while kidnapped is something that almost everybody has the ability to do in the series. XD

[sonoci]

@Megane Tantei: You seem a bit angered as well. I'm not sure what it is about the way the question was worded, but I don't see how it's anything but an innocent question.

What's constantly pushing Shinichi to stay alive and get his body back is his will to return to Ran.

Anyway, as likely as it would seem, I'm certain that Shinichi isn't just returning to be with Ran. That is/could be one of his motivators, but the truth of the matter is that we can only speculate. The only thing that's certain is that we can only be uncertain.

Imagine the series without Ran.

As each person has a different way of imagining, this is kind of a weak argument.  :-\ For instance, what if I chose to imagine series without Ran by putting Sonoko in Ran's position? I could also imagine Shinichi being single. I could imagine him as Kogoro's son. I could do anything with my imagination.

I don't even know why this thread was made. It's as absurd as asking 'So why is the Black Organization in this series anyway '

Can't you debate Haibara's importance in the series? To me, all she does is create cheap 72 hour antidotes and increasing Shinichi's resistance to it. Doesn't look like hard work to me.

I'm sorry but I have to point out the irony here: you said that it'd be absurd to ask why the BO is in the series...and then you proceed to immediately suggest we debate Haibara/SHERRY's importance to the series. And...those antidotes are the steps to Shinichi's goal, not to mention Haibara was the one who created the poison that shrunk Shinichi instead of killing him that started the series off in the first place. The reason her importance isn't debated is because Haibara's importance is engraved into the plot thus it's guaranteed to move forward.

I still don't know why the original question is so... "mean". Seriously, it's innocent  :(

Oh, and those who said they can count on their fingers the times she was brave and kicked ass obviously don't know how to count.

If you're going to insult people, you should have some evidence to back it up. I don't doubt that there may be more than ten times that Ran has kicked ass, but if something like 'those who said this can't count' is going to be said, you have to justify why you've said something that could be taken offensively. Even just look at IHKF's reply to you: she agreed with you, but she wasn't "angry" in any way. This may be the internet, but manners are always important.

As my teacher said this very day: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, the second they become rude about it, I'm not going to stand for that."

Lastly, this isn't supposed to be an attack or anything, I just really appreciate the maturity here at DCTP. There have been far worse things out here than the minor things I've pointed out here, but might as well do it before anything gets outta hand  ;)

[PokerFace312]

*applauds sonoci*