Why do so many people hate the Detective Boys?

[BO Member: Pina Colada]

i don't mind them really since their children i don't expect them to act the same as the police, FBI, BO, high schoolers, etc... i forgive them for hiding and letting a mop fall by mistake since they aren't pros.
what gets me though is they think Conan's always trying to take the credit and when they think theres gold and jewels involved they think he's trying to take it all for himself. they should realize he lives with a detective and knows these things and thus listen to him. and when Ai's involved she'll give a long complicated reason not to go and they follow, she gives them a simple reason they stay or she just lets them do whatever. and yet when Conan would use the same reason Ai does to tell them to stay they obey her but not him. so for those reasons i'd hate to see them appear in a BO case.
when it comes to the AO i just bear with it and take it for what it is since i've enjoyed some DB fillers more than CRM fillers.

[sushimaster]

I would like to get examples or more explanations of these 2:

Really, The only slightly annoying part to me is that they are by far the most important side characters (even over Ran and BO important characters). This really shouldn't be the case and I ultimately think the major attention on them hampers the story ultimately even if they are good characters. They have so much more spot light and episodes which could really be used to occasionally give other characters some development.

What makes you think they are more important side characters than Ran or BO? Is it b/c of the #occurences? something else?

and when Ai's involved she'll give a long complicated reason not to go and they follow, she gives them a simple reason they stay or she just lets them do whatever. and yet when Conan would use the same reason Ai does to tell them to stay they obey her but not him. so for those reasons i'd hate to see them appear in a BO case.

Could I get some examples on DB following Ai's advice? (This is really out of curiosity, no attacking is intended)

[BO Member: Pina Colada]

Could I get some examples on DB following Ai's advice? (This is really out of curiosity, no attacking is intended)

i don't remember any specific case. it might've been one of the movies or AO since i've been watching the anime recently and almost to phantom of baker street and finished the valentine case.

[Wakarimashita]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

[A.E.]

You might as well read the wiki summaries!

[kholoudsafir]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

You got me there, but let's say that ,mostly, they are the bad kind of fillers, no comparison between Heiji cases with the brats' 

[Mead]

What makes you think they are more important side characters than Ran or BO? Is it b/c of the #occurences? something else?

That is indeed why. Also the DB's do far more than any other side character and have more character development. I mean let's take them as a group, they have changed and grown. Ran is still pretty much the same person she was in since the beginning. As individuals they've also had character growth that far exceeds others.  

The only real exception I'd guess is Ai, but at this point she's a member as well and most of her appearances at this point takes place during these episodes.

The Detective Boys matter more to story than any other side character, sure they aren't directly involved in main plot, but the main plot is pretty peripheral when you consider how long we can go without it. Sadly the main focus is on generally stand alone stories and mystery cases, and the DB's are a huge chunk of that. Making them from a series perspective, more important side characters.

[ranger]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

You got me there, but let's say that ,mostly, they are the bad kind of fillers, no comparison between Heiji cases with the brats' 

Actually, a lot of DB cases, while not directly plot-related, have a lot to do with Conan and Ai's character development.  I never skip DB episodes despite feeling they are quite annoying, unless they are anime originals, and I only started doing that after I saw "anytime, anywhere"

[Wakarimashita]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

You got me there, but let's say that ,mostly, they are the bad kind of fillers, no comparison between Heiji cases with the brats' 

Actually, I don't think those cases are good because Hattori is there, it's just that Gosho tends, for whatever reason, to write longer (and usually better) cases when he decides to bring Kazuha and Heiji, in fact they could easily be taken out without affecting most of these cases.

@ranger : The worst DB fillers are in the 400s, episodes like 414 (the blue bird), 461 (the missing page) or 468 (the pond and the turtle) among others are absolutely dreadful and a pain in the neck to watch.

[ranger]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

You got me there, but let's say that ,mostly, they are the bad kind of fillers, no comparison between Heiji cases with the brats' 

Actually, I don't think those cases are good because Hattori is there, it's just that Gosho tends, for whatever reason, to write longer (and usually better) cases when he decides to bring Kazuha and Heiji, in fact they could easily be taken out without affecting most of these cases.

@ranger : The worst DB fillers are in the 400s, episodes like 414 (the blue bird), 461 (the missing page) or 468 (the pond and the turtle) among others are absolutely dreadful and a pain in the neck to watch.

Weren't those anime originals?

[Schillok]

what gets me though is they think Conan's always trying to take the credit and when they think theres gold and jewels involved they think he's trying to take it all for himself. they should realize he lives with a detective and knows these things and thus listen to him.

They do that by now, right? When was the last time they were talking about treasures? The warehouse case or Kirins Horn? Well, in that case there really were treasures, right?
I wonder how much people skipped the DBs cases. They are nothing like they were in the beginning. I miss some aspects (The less "shy" and more tomboyish Ayumi for example) from back then, though they also had made a lot of progress.

and when Ai's involved she'll give a long complicated reason not to go and they follow, she gives them a simple reason they stay or she just lets them do whatever. and yet when Conan would use the same reason Ai does to tell them to stay they obey her but not him. so for those reasons i'd hate to see them appear in a BO case.

Well, that might be because of what was discussed already. Conan being a role model and his double-standards.

Conan: You wait here while I run ahead and face all the danger myself!

Haibara: You wait here, while I will also wait here to avoid the danger!


Would you listen to an advise from someone who does ignore their own advice? Or to someone who is giving a good example by behaving like they expect you to behave as well?


About the BO... seriously, which character would listen to Conan not to meddle with them if they met by chance? Heiji might be a better Detective than the DBs but despite knowing how dangerous the BO is I can't imagine him not following Gin if he saw him in the streets somewhere...

Actually, I don't think those cases are good because Hattori is there, it's just that Gosho tends, for whatever reason, to write longer (and usually better) cases when he decides to bring Kazuha and Heiji, in fact they could easily be taken out without affecting most of these cases.

Longer: Yes.
Better: ... subjective.  :P

@ranger : The worst DB fillers are in the 400s, episodes like 414 (the blue bird), 461 (the missing page) or 468 (the pond and the turtle) among others are absolutely dreadful and a pain in the neck to watch.

Aww, I liked the missing page one.
(Actually, I like AOs in general. Sure they are weaker cases then the canon ones, but... they are new! I don't know them already from the manga. Having an easy time to predict the culprit in an AO is still more of a challenge than knowing the culprit already from the manga.)

[Wakarimashita]

I have skipped most of their episodes, unless Ran is with them, but the only reason I do not like their cases just because they are fillers, well most of the times, since they have plot related events in some cases.

Like most Ran/Kogoro/Conan cases, like all the Sonoko cases, like most Heiji cases, like all the Kid cases...

You got me there, but let's say that ,mostly, they are the bad kind of fillers, no comparison between Heiji cases with the brats'  :P

Actually, I don't think those cases are good because Hattori is there, it's just that Gosho tends, for whatever reason, to write longer (and usually better) cases when he decides to bring Kazuha and Heiji, in fact they could easily be taken out without affecting most of these cases.

@ranger : The worst DB fillers are in the 400s, episodes like 414 (the blue bird), 461 (the missing page) or 468 (the pond and the turtle) among others are absolutely dreadful and a pain in the neck to watch.

Weren't those anime originals?

Yes, fillers = AOs.

@Schillok : When I say better, I mean that more research is usually put into the case, the trick is usually more complex, more suspects are present...As a "case" fanatic, that's what makes them better. Obviously, it could be subjective, but in terms of pure detective fiction, I think it's quite objective to say that the cases with Heiji are better than the ones with the DB. That doesn't mean they suck as they have other elements incorporated to make them tolerable or even enjoyable.

[kkslider5552000]

)Actually, I like AOs in general. Sure they are weaker cases then the canon ones, but... they are new! I don't know them already from the manga. Having an easy time to predict the culprit in an AO is still more of a challenge than knowing the culprit already from the manga.)

you could try...not reading the manga.

[Yukimi]

)Actually, I like AOs in general. Sure they are weaker cases then the canon ones, but... they are new! I don't know them already from the manga. Having an easy time to predict the culprit in an AO is still more of a challenge than knowing the culprit already from the manga.)

you could try...not reading the manga.

Bad kkslider, bad . Manga rocks!

[Sherry86]

Shinichi is a loner. His friend before he turns into Conan is just Ran.
Shiho is a loner. Her friend before she turns into Ai is just her sister.
They need other people like DB who like to force their friendship to Conan and Ai.
And maybe the two of them will understand about friendship and they'll understand that loneliness is not good.
So why hate the DB? They give positive influence to Conan and Ai, IMO.