Why do so many people hate the Detective Boys?

[Schillok]

Btw, only Conan have the same height as Ayumi (or the closest one) If one should do the double, it has to be Conan. Should we let a girl do that? Conan accidenlty the only one who can switch with Ayumi.

Why not let the girl do that?
The point is that from the DBs point of view, there was no reason to change the roles in the first place. Sure, they are glad that their beloved Ayumi-chan is out of danger, but on the other hand at the cost that they just put Conan in her spot.
Even worse, when the kidnappers notice that Conan is not Ayumi, they know something is wrong. Having Ayumi keep the role of the one getting separated from them and the 3 boys contacting the police would have been the best choice.

If Mitsuhiko or Genta were the only ones who could have changed roles with Ayumi... would Conan have suggested to change roles? Probably not. In the end, he took her role to "hog the praise" - at that time they did not know that he has the watch IIRC.
(In the worst case, he could have given the watch to Ayumi. I am not sure how hard it is to use, but firing at point blank range should be possible even for a child.


Point is: Conan kept too much a secret and then expected them to act according to his plan. Yes, what the DBs did was reckless and dangerous, but it was Conan who provoked them to act that way. Yet, the blame seems to stick to the DBs, not to Conan.
And he kept repeating that: trying to do the dangerous parts on his own, without giving the DBs the reason why he does that and why THEY shouldn't do so. Sure, he can't really tell them the truth, but by now he should have realized that those kids have taken him as their role model (at least in some aspects).

[Dwalin]

Point is: Conan kept too much a secret and then expected them to act according to his plan. Yes, what the DBs did was reckless and dangerous, but it was Conan who provoked them to act that way. Yet, the blame seems to stick to the DBs, not to Conan.
And he kept repeating that: trying to do the dangerous parts on his own, without giving the DBs the reason why he does that and why THEY shouldn't do so.

+1
That's exactly what I think too. He should at least give them some explanations when he leaves them behind, not treat them like inferior beings.

[User 4869]

there was no reason to change the roles in the first place

The same reason Conan did not tell his secret to Ran. The same reason Heiji and Conan don't tell Kazuha and Ran when they went to apprehend culprit in the furikazan case. The same reason Kazuha stab Heiji's hand. The same reason Ran sneak in Jodie's car. The same reason Haibara don't tell Conan everything she know. LOVE. My lord Voldermort, LOVE.

But DB: For Death and Glory. Forth Eorlingas.

If Mitsuhiko or Genta were the only ones who could have changed roles with Ayumi.

True .No because they're the same in Conan and audiance POW. (Although DM POW is important, we have to take Conan POW into consideration too. (He don't understand people he love much LoL) Genta and Mitsuhiko won't do better much, but Conan will. They probably don't understand this. But if they agree to did it anyway. they should follow that until the end. Not change plan, I repeat, For their own glory, not the outcome of the case.

firing at point blank range should be possible even for a child

Don't remember we know by the time there are more than one culprit.
Did not the culprit will kill "Ayumi" on spot if they got the tape. Conan can take care of himself better than other. He can talk himself out of danger because he understand criminal mind. DB, even if don't know all this, should have some idea. I'm not sure DB know Conan has gadget watch or shoes or how to use them.

Do we have time to tell Ayumi everything?  How to convince the culprit long enough not let them kill her. give Conan gadgets to her and how to use. Give his cool head to her (they must realize by now from the incident in city map puzzle case which the only thing they can do are cry when get caugh.)

And the remaining point. They already agree to follow his plan. If they don't want it why not speak out. What right do they have to change his plan. IT is his plan, his glory that they want to steal. Didn''t they force their friendship on him whem they first met. It's not that he want their cooperation. they just try to force themselve in.

without giving the DBs the reason why he does that and why THEY shouldn't do so. Sure, he can't really tell them the truth, but by now he should have realized that those kids have taken him as their role model (at least in some aspects).

True. May be there are just no way to give them reason not to did what they did. If you found a way, please tell me. this part bug me too. If he can reason with them them he should. The only thing I can think of now is "I am better" which would not help anything.

btw http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... nGuarantee


My bug here , when they are going to realize that Conan, though a boy their age, is way smart than they are. His plans are usually go right and their plan are are usually go wrong.


One may have to try rebutted argument of the thread I provide in the last page to understand why some people hate DB.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well-behaved children don't bother me a bit. A lot of them are even cute. The ones that are constantly getting into things they shouldn't, being obnoxious brats and throwing fits over everything annoy me, but at the same time, I don't hate them, I just prefer not to be around them. And I blame their parents 100%, and generally feel bad for the child because until their parents start teaching them how to behave and such, nobody will want to be around them and they won't understand why.

Depends on the age.
At some certain points in live, children just go rebellious on their own, whether they had a good or bad education. But those phases go away too.


And I agree with Schillok. If you don't explain to children, why he/she shouldn't do something, they'll probably want to do it because you told them not to.
So If you say: "don't touch the heating plate" they will touch it XD
If you say: "Don't touch the heating plate because it's hot and you'll burn your fingers and you'll get hurt" then they probably won't touch it, at least not on purpose.

And really, saying those additional words takes like 10 sec? You won't have time to say that because you need those 10sec of your life so badly?

@DBs: I like them D: They amuse me <3
Even Genta. Genta's food addiction is common slapstick that's used a lot. Especially at the time the DBs appeared. So maybe that slapstick is just old for the time now, but I don't care

[TypeSera]

Come to think of it, I've skipped a quite a bit of DB episodes too... unless Miyano Shiho is featured prominently.

[Schillok]

there was no reason to change the roles in the first place

The same reason Conan did not tell his secret to Ran. The same reason Heiji and Conan don't tell Kazuha and Ran when they went to apprehend culprit in the furikazan case. The same reason Kazuha stab Heiji's hand. The same reason Ran sneak in Jodie's car. The same reason Haibara don't tell Conan everything she know. LOVE. My lord Voldermort, LOVE.

Wait... the reason why Conan took Ayumis part in that case was... because he loves her?
As a Conan x Ayumi supporter I won't start an argument on that conclusion, though I was a bit surprised to hear it from you.

Otherwise: When Kazuha stabbed Heijis hand she was lucky that her plan did not go as expected. The DBs were unlucky that their plan did not work as they expected.
If they had succeeded, the police would have arrived normally, rescued Conan and the hostages and they would have taken an (more) important role in the case. If Kazuha had succeeded... well.

They probably don't understand this. But if they agree to did it anyway. they should follow that until the end. Not change plan, I repeat, For their own glory, not the outcome of the case.

And the remaining point. They already agree to follow his plan. If they don't want it why not speak out. What right do they have to change his plan. IT is his plan, his glory that they want to steal. Didn''t they force their friendship on him whem they first met. It's not that he want their cooperation. they just try to force themselve in.

Despite to them not admitting it, Conan is their leader. Since the plan made on such a short notice they didn't have any chance to object - especially since their feelings of "Ayumi needs to be protected", "It is scary", "Conan has the best ideas", "What a bold plan" would make it hard to refuse the plan in the moment he suggested it. The realization that their own role would just be going to the police and give them the awesome gadget Conan just gave them probably hit them later.

Had Conan emphasized that the police needs those glasses ASAP because he wouldn't have a chance alone they would probably done it. But to me it seems like he intended to take down both kidnappers on his own right from the start.
Also, seeing it from the bright side: It seems like they learned their lesson. In later cases they usually sticked to the plan.

True. May be there are just no way to give them reason not to did what they did. If you found a way, please tell me. this part bug me too. If he can reason with them them he should. The only thing I can think of now is "I am better" which would not help anything.

He has three choices:
Either stop acting so reckless himself when the DBs are around. (Won't happen, but as long as he keeps this double-standard he can't expect them - or Ran as well - to remain in the background while he risks his life.)
Or make them realize that he is better at handling dangerous situations while they should avoid them at all cost possible. (He is kinda working on this one, but despite some positive results he will never be 100% successful, especially when the DBs can't see possible dangerous consequences of seemingly harmless action  yet.)
Or he has to accept that they sometimes will follow his example. (In which case he needs to prepare them better for them. Either by showing them how he manages those situation, or by passing them gadgets that allows them to handle the situation themselves or makes it easier for him to intervene.)




Coming back why some people hate the Detective Boys: Most "reasons" just seem as some kind of excuse. They could be applied to almost any other character, even the famous and popular ones. (The one who gets Conan into trouble most is... Conan himself. And the criminals of course. And a lot of other characters when they don't behave exactly like he wants them to.)

In the end it is just personal preferences. I like the "lighter" atmosphere of the Detective Boys cases, when it is about them the case isn't inevitably bound to be murderer case like with the other cast. It has a much wider spectrum from kidnappings, treasure hunts, mystery solving... well, up to the occasional body turning up.
Though, I wouldn't mind of Gosho took some effort to flesh out their characters a bit more. Ayumi just being "the cutie" that occasionally drops a hint how to solve a case by accident is not enough after so many cases with her - usually the moment when it comes to her being "Haibaras best friend" and their interaction with each other her character seems so much better portrayed.
Same with the moments when Mitsuhiko gets a chance to shine and show how smart he really is if given the  time instead of just being "the reasonable".
And also the rare moments when Genta gets to show his courage or strength to prove that he can do more than just easting...  

[angelranchan]

Really? O_o I think they are only few...and they are not annoying,but they are actually funny so why? O_o about disturbing conan,sometimes they are giving a hint without knowing its a hint...

Spoiler:

Before I kinda hate them because many consecutive weeks are DB's...but its not hate...I think,maybe...arg! I don't know what do you call that! >.< jealousy?!

[User 4869]

Wait... the reason why Conan took Ayumis part in that case was... because he loves her?
As a Conan x Ayumi supporter I won't start an argument on that conclusion, though I was a bit surprised to hear it from you.

I'm not Harry x  Lilly fan either. I hope it just a joke from you.

The DBs were unlucky that their plan did not work as they expected.

No. they're too arrogant. they failed many time enough. They have other choices, not like Kazuha. Ran, on the other hand, is not the right thing to do. but Ran do that out of love. DB do that out of greed. Ran kind of get herself out and did conribute to Haibara safty.

If they had succeeded, the police would have arrived normally, rescued Conan and the hostages and they would have taken an (more) important role in the case.

For what? it doesn't make any difference. they even delayd the time police arrive by spent time looking for the culprit. It is for their own glory, right? please answer me.

Had Conan emphasized that the police needs those glasses ASAP because he wouldn't have a chance alone they would probably done it.

We don't see he explain the plan, It possible he had done it. But I admit he probably don't LoL

The realization that their own role would just be going to the police and give them the awesome gadget Conan just gave them probably hit them later.

But should they do that? maybe because I'm not a kid anymore I don't understand them.

Either stop acting so reckless himself when the DBs are around.

I don't like him doing that either.

Or make them realize that he is better at handling dangerous situations

How? if they going to understand they should have at the moment.

by passing them gadgets that allows them to handle the situation themselves

At least Ai should have the watch by now. But It would kill the suspense. 5 watchs(stun guns) ?

The one who gets Conan into trouble most is... Conan himself

He get himself out, that's the difference.

And the criminals of course

We won't have a story if Conan did not do anything. first thing first if he did not follow Gin he won't become Conan. I try to wave it of as "Idiot ball". But I did dislike Shinichi's action.

Most "reasons" just seem as some kind of excuse

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I honestly don't like their voice (Ayumi and Genta).

They could be applied to almost any other character, even the famous and popular ones.

They take credits that don't belong to them. who done that. Sonoko and Kogoro do that and they are receive less respect from me that other. But we won't have story if they suspect Conan.


Other characters than DB do this?

Why does Conan tolerate the "Detective Boys"? Namely Yoshida Ayumi, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko and Kojima Genta.

They are his friends, but how good friends are they if they view him as the lowest member of their group? They often gang up on him to get free goods and services.
- They designate him as the "villager" during the Haunted Mansion case. (Vol 2 File 8)
- They forced Conan to provide them with Detective Badges. (Vol 6 File 6)
- They forced Conan to take them along in the Haunted School Case by threatening to smash a school window. (Vol 16 File 4)
- They insist on getting in on the action during the Movie Theater Murder Case, despite the fact that they weren't necessary for the demonstration. (Vol 23 File 3)
- They get annoyed at Conan for just asking which episode of Kamen Yaiba they are watching.
- They are more concerned with Conan getting all the credit and not realizing that he is looking out for their safety and this all too often gets Conan into trouble that he could easily avoid alone. (See examples below)

They constantly blow Conan's cover and/or land him in a difficult position.
- Ayumi tipped the broom in the Haunted Mansion Case, exposing Conan and her position to the woman in the house (Vol 2 File 10)
- Ayumi's hysteria at a stage prop forced the group to stand in for an actor (they incapacitated) in a play. (Vol 9 File 3)
- When Conan was using Dr. Agasa as his "front" in solving a case, they kept talking to Conan, which almost blew his cover. (Vol 13 File 10)
- They blow their own cover when stalking an arsonist, forcing Conan and Ai to come to their rescue. (Vol 27 File 6)

They incompetence has endangered his life more than half a dozen times. They never listen to Conan's instructions to keep them out of trouble, forcing him to rescue them when they invariably land in hot water.
- Genta assaulted the Italian thieves in the Coded Map of the City case, which ended up having the entire group tied up to be executed. (Vol 4 File 10)
- Genta called Conan on his transmitter despite Conan's instruction NOT to, revealing his position to a murderer. This forced Conan to defend himself against a full grown man with a golf club (Vol 6 File 8)
- Ayumi turned on the lights in the library, which alerted the murderer librarian to their presence. Thus instead of just informing the police they had to fend off a murderer. (Vol 10 File 7)
- Their glory-hogging in the Two-Mix Kidnapping case ended up having the entire group trapped in a burning building by the murderers (Vol 15 File 6), which could have been easily averted if they had listened to Conan and given the tracking glasses to Inspector Megure. (Vol 15 File 5)
- In the first case with Ai, the group insisted on confronting a group of counterfeiters instead of letting the police handle it which resulted in a hostage situation in which Conan nearly got killed. (Vol 18 File 7)
- Genta's excitement/panicked hysteria alerted a gang of murderers during a cave exploration. This ended up getting Conan shot and nearly killed. (Vol 25 File 9)

I post this on DCW last year. Just ignore the number 4

But the DB as a whole.
1 Think they are good, run into danger and fail to solve case every time (or is it almost).
2 Try to win over Conan and fail. Still think "The Detective Boy" is so awesome. Actually it's Conan who do most of the work.
3 Rude to Adult. Especially to Agasa and Takagi over their love life. Like they can do better.

4 For certain case.Two Mix. They ignore Conan command advice to hand traking glass to Megure. Try to locate kidnapper themselve so they can inform police themselve, get caugh, only difference between do as Conan told and do what they do is they will get credit. it did not effect the case in anyway, only put their life and Conan't life in danger. Only retailation they recieve is Conan say "Baka". Two Mix still try to defence them (When police scold them). Why Two mix think they are their savior and not their would-be murderer is beyond me.

5 Another certain case: Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure: after recive lecture about solve case themself and don't alway rely on Conan. They recruit Heiji to help them in case, Not for solving case but to defeat Conan so he will surrender. Completly miss the point. While Heiji and Conan himself would not accept credit if they didn't solve case themselve (Yuki no onna case).

6.Another case: The Old Blue Castle Investigation Case
Genta behave nicest in this case. He just cilmb a fence into random house which he don't know the owner and would have get shot on particular situation.
Ayumi ignore Haibara warning that she should ran away but went to "save" Haibara. It's not bad to help your new-found friend but how would she handle the threat that Conan, Agasa,Genta,Mitsuhiko,Haibra fall victim to. Isn't it better to ran and summon help?
Mitsuhiko discover Conan's glass and went to save Conan himself without inform Ayumi and Haibara who's with him. that cound result it 1) he get cough, doomed the group fate. 2) Ayumi and/or Haibara get hurt while he's away.

And to be fair
Haibara: After fail to call for help once. Just let the matter drop and never try to call again. But actually I also wonder who she could call. If police don't buy her story. She has no relative and she probably don't know Mouri's number. Maybe she could call Gin "Hey, Gin, It's Sherry, could you pike me up here. I got into some mess.
Conan: Discover secret passage. don't inform anyone, don't try to get out, just say "omoshiroi" (Interesting) and went to explore alone. get caugh first and result it the afromention situation.

[Dwalin]

Don’t be so angry with them, especially not with Genta who deserves respect because in reality it’s him who taught everything to Conan and now pretends to be incompetent out of modesty (Gosho told me that himself, even though he asked me not to tell anyone). They should change the name of the series to “Detective Gentaâ€

[Stopwatch]

@User 4869: Are you seriously comparing Ayumi/Conan to Harry/Lily!? I mean, what!? *headdesk* I don't . . . get it, how . . .?

[ddrober2003]

Eh I actually don't mind them much at all.  Some times it does get tiring to hear Ayumi talk in the 3rd person, but in general even when they try to get all the glory and instead get themselves into trouble I just go "Ahaha....fail."  While several of the cases they are in aren't the most interesting, the same can be said with many of the cases in general.  Conan, Ran, Kogoro got out somewhere, meet 4 people, 1 is a total jerk, total jerk dies, you find out these 4 friends all secretly hate each other, culprit is revealed, falls on knees, cries and confesses, que in the end of that manga chapter or the NEXT CONAN HINT!

Still, like the episodes regardless well enough, if nothing else its a way to kill around 20 minutes.

[User 4869]

@User 4869: Are you seriously comparing Ayumi/Conan to Harry/Lily!? I mean, what!? *headdesk* I don't . . . get it, how . . .?

I'm trying to say "love" doesn't always mean something romantic. Yes, Conan love Ayumi. He love everyone. He love the guy (actually Obassan) who try to shoot Ran.



Maybe I should stop now. regardless what Schillok going to post. It does not help the thread. I think Schillok give Dwalin a rather satisfied answer for many.

Coming back why some people hate the Detective Boys: Most "reasons" just seem as some kind of excuse. They could be applied to almost any other character, even the famous and popular ones. (The one who gets Conan into trouble most is... Conan himself. And the criminals of course. And a lot of other characters when they don't behave exactly like he wants them to.)

In the end it is just personal preferences. I like the "lighter" atmosphere of the Detective Boys cases, when it is about them the case isn't inevitably bound to be murderer case like with the other cast. It has a much wider spectrum from kidnappings, treasure hunts, mystery solving... well, up to the occasional body turning up.
Though, I wouldn't mind of Gosho took some effort to flesh out their characters a bit more. Ayumi just being "the cutie" that occasionally drops a hint how to solve a case by accident is not enough after so many cases with her - usually the moment when it comes to her being "Haibaras best friend" and their interaction with each other her character seems so much better portrayed.
Same with the moments when Mitsuhiko gets a chance to shine and show how smart he really is if given the  time instead of just being "the reasonable".
And also the rare moments when Genta gets to show his courage or strength to prove that he can do more than just easting... 

[red.orchid]

[Stopwatch]

@User 4869: Are you seriously comparing Ayumi/Conan to Harry/Lily!? I mean, what!? *headdesk* I don't . . . get it, how . . .?

I'm trying to say "love" doesn't always mean something romantic. Yes, Conan love Ayumi. He love everyone. He love the guy (actually Obassan) who try to shoot Ran.

Ah, I think I get what you were trying to say now

[Kleene Onigiri]

Why does Conan tolerate the "Detective Boys"? Namely Yoshida Ayumi, Tsuburaya Mitsuhiko and Kojima Genta.

They are his friends, but how good friends are they if they view him as the lowest member of their group? They often gang up on him to get free goods and services.
- They designate him as the "villager" during the Haunted Mansion case. (Vol 2 File 8)
- They forced Conan to provide them with Detective Badges. (Vol 6 File 6)
- They forced Conan to take them along in the Haunted School Case by threatening to smash a school window. (Vol 16 File 4)
- They insist on getting in on the action during the Movie Theater Murder Case, despite the fact that they weren't necessary for the demonstration. (Vol 23 File 3)
- They get annoyed at Conan for just asking which episode of Kamen Yaiba they are watching.
- They are more concerned with Conan getting all the credit and not realizing that he is looking out for their safety and this all too often gets Conan into trouble that he could easily avoid alone. (See examples below)

They constantly blow Conan's cover and/or land him in a difficult position.
- Ayumi tipped the broom in the Haunted Mansion Case, exposing Conan and her position to the woman in the house (Vol 2 File 10)
- Ayumi's hysteria at a stage prop forced the group to stand in for an actor (they incapacitated) in a play. (Vol 9 File 3)
- When Conan was using Dr. Agasa as his "front" in solving a case, they kept talking to Conan, which almost blew his cover. (Vol 13 File 10)
- They blow their own cover when stalking an arsonist, forcing Conan and Ai to come to their rescue. (Vol 27 File 6)

They incompetence has endangered his life more than half a dozen times. They never listen to Conan's instructions to keep them out of trouble, forcing him to rescue them when they invariably land in hot water.
- Genta assaulted the Italian thieves in the Coded Map of the City case, which ended up having the entire group tied up to be executed. (Vol 4 File 10)
- Genta called Conan on his transmitter despite Conan's instruction NOT to, revealing his position to a murderer. This forced Conan to defend himself against a full grown man with a golf club (Vol 6 File 8)
- Ayumi turned on the lights in the library, which alerted the murderer librarian to their presence. Thus instead of just informing the police they had to fend off a murderer. (Vol 10 File 7)
- Their glory-hogging in the Two-Mix Kidnapping case ended up having the entire group trapped in a burning building by the murderers (Vol 15 File 6), which could have been easily averted if they had listened to Conan and given the tracking glasses to Inspector Megure. (Vol 15 File 5)
- In the first case with Ai, the group insisted on confronting a group of counterfeiters instead of letting the police handle it which resulted in a hostage situation in which Conan nearly got killed. (Vol 18 File 7)
- Genta's excitement/panicked hysteria alerted a gang of murderers during a cave exploration. This ended up getting Conan shot and nearly killed. (Vol 25 File 9)

This quote sounds like: "Why are kids acting like kids?" Hellloooo~ They are kids. They aren't adults or perfect humans. They do mistake. They go around and what to explore stuff. They do have emotions and get jealous of conan who's supposed to be the same age as them (tho he's not)

Something would be terribly wrong if the DBs would act all mature and would be able to solve crimes on their own and wouldn't want to play soccer etc. but instead try to solve math problems or something...

Considering they're supposed to be 7~ year old children, they're still "too mature" compared to real kids