Most favorite and least favorite scene in the series

[eworm]

and the scene in the mermaid case where Heiji almost fell of a cliff and Kazuha pulled him back (and then the ep. ended *_*)

Wait, what the..? Wasn't it the other way round? Kinda liked this scene too, but it was Kazuha that was about to fell to her DEATH and Heiji grabbed her. Then it seemed he was going to fall to his DEATH too, so she stabbed his hand for him to let her go and fell to her DEATH. But he didn't let go, ignoring the pain, and in the end they... um... somehow miraculously survived offscreen. Yea... That was weird.
And they both haven't realised their feelings for each other. After something like that?! Argh, they're both IDIOTS!

My main issue with 345 is the slow-motion and the pace in general. A 2 hour special would have been enough, it was not necessary to do a 2.5 hour special.

Exactly. It was powerful in the manga because it was super special awesome surprise-surprise-surprise one after another. You haven't yet comprehended the first one and Gosho's already hitting you in the face with two more.
At least when reading the files all together it was like that. It is like that. Probably was a bit different when there was a week pause between each file, but... Oh well. Still amazing.


Anime favourite: Definitely Satou's scream when the DEATH approached the tower with Takagi trapped inside... With the bomb... The music added to the scene's awesomeness... I still feel shivers even remembering it. Crowning Moment Of Awesome for Satou's seiyuu.Too bad the ruined the moment with Shinichi-Ran telepathy before closing The Conan Door (you know, that thing, commercial break). It should've been Satou's NOOOOOOOOOO!! Death approaching... THE music plays... Doorslam!
This case was as awesome as any given BO case and you know it.

Movie favourite: Definitely Movie 09's murder conclusion. IN YOUR FACE, CONAN! BWAHAHA! Seriously, even if he did get all beaten up, it was awesome of Kogorou to totally outsmart Conan. And how! One of the best "Achievements of Love" in the series ever.

Manga favourite: Difficult to say. It could be the reveal of Haibara... no... Sherry! *dramatic sounds* If not for the scans crappy quality
It could be the Kudou Shinichi's The Culprit! Case... if it wasn't so very obvious. [646-651]
It could be The Case Of Trembling Metropolitan Police 12 Million Hostages! too. [369-373]
Or maybe every page Gosho reveals: "this is going to be KAITOU KID case!". You know you all go crazy for a few minutes at those times.
Oh, and it could be the Halloween Reveal too! [429-434]
Or in the High School Detectives Koushien - the moment when it's revealed every one of them suspects a different person... And then Heiji reveals he's Not So Dumb! [562-566]
Or maybe the Yukionna Case from the past, when Heiji and Shinichi first met but didn't know about it... [518-522]
Too many of them.

Least favourite: Genta. Just... Genta.

BTW, imagine the reveal of Sherry getting really long like the reveal of Akai or Jodie or Vermouth or

Spoiler:

Sera

or Subaru... About 150 chapters after introducing Haibara Ai, a new classmate... Nah, that wouldn't work, a suspicious kid like her could only be a shrunken BO member.

[Nyarl]

there is nothing I would take away from 345...but if I did, it would likely be the Ran is like Akemi thing.

I didn't like it at all. Way too random for my taste. She was just ignoring Ran like the day before and then Ran reminds her of Akemi? There was no basis for it.

The fact both risked their lives pretty much just for her sake was enough for the comparison, from Shiho's point of view.

There's more to it though, since Ran also reminds Shuuichi of Akemi. I'm pretty sure Aoyama can't win with you guys on this issue, though. If he shows a long flashback that makes Akemi's personality very much like Ran's, you Ran haters will be saying that just retroactively destroyed Akemi's character, rather than explained things. "She's tougher than you think/tougher than I thought" "Bwah??? In karate???" is going to be developed-- "forced into the plot", though.

Ok, but like I said there was no basis for that. Not even a little hint that, that could be true so that's why it was very random imo

And there is the added question of "why run on top of the car?"

To get a quick unobstructed view of her surroundings?

[1Kaito]

The fact both risked their lives pretty much just for her sake was enough for the comparison, from Shiho's point of view.

There's more to it though, since Ran also reminds Shuuichi of Akemi. I'm pretty sure Aoyama can't win with you guys on this issue, though. If he shows a long flashback that makes Akemi's personality very much like Ran's, you Ran haters will be saying that just retroactively destroyed Akemi's character, rather than explained things. "She's tougher than you think/tougher than I thought" "Bwah??? In karate???" is going to be developed-- "forced into the plot", though.

One thing reminded Akai of Akemi and that was Ran's crying complex. I would enjoy a long flashback of how Akemi;'s personality is like Ran's 'cause frankly, I want to know more about Akai and Akemi back in the day and that would greatly explain how Ran is like Akemi. We don't know Akemi like that, but Ai and Akai do so it is rather weird to viewers.

And there is the added question of "why run on top of the car?"

To get a quick unobstructed view of her surroundings?

Yeah, sure. Running on top of a car is a great way to get a view of her surroundings while being shot at. Matter a fact she got such a great view that she noticed Conan was there! But of course she never mentioned or questioned why because she is just cool like that.

[Wakarimashita]

Actually, Jodie invented a kidnapping story which she mentions to Ran and Sonoko at the beginning of episode 346. Since at that point both of them trust her, they have no reason to question what she told them. 
However, Conan is still unaware of Ran's actions towards Ai, and I'm still hoping someone (it can be Haibara, Jodie or even Vermouth) will tell him about it eventually.

[Nyarl]

To get a quick unobstructed view of her surroundings?

Yeah, sure. Running on top of a car is a great way to get a view of her surroundings while being shot at. Matter a fact she got such a great view that she noticed Conan was there! But of course she never mentioned or questioned why because she is just cool like that.

She wasn't being shot at until she was on the roof. In fact, Calvados didn't start shooting until she was already running off the roof. At least, in the manga version.

[1Kaito]

Who would run on top of a car in the first place...

[kkslider5552000]

Exactly. It was powerful in the manga because it was super special awesome surprise-surprise-surprise one after another. You haven't yet comprehended the first one and Gosho's already hitting you in the face with two more.

I dunno, I like being able to comprehend what I am watching. And I do think most of them did add to the scenes...can't explain why exactly. Maybe to give you time to think about the twists, to make you wonder what's gonna happen next or to just give you a breather considering all the stuff that happens, but somehow the long pauses did add to the scenes.

And I'm pretty sure DBZ and early Naruto Shippuden both had half hour episodes with at least as many pauses so it doesn't affect me. :V

[ProfParanoia]

She wasn't being shot at until she was on the roof. In fact, Calvados didn't start shooting until she was already running off the roof. At least, in the manga version.

1. She was shot at on the roof. And considering all she had to go on were shots, there's no way she'd know where the gun are, and 2 of them were right by the car and could have easily shot her right there.
2. It takes way more time to get to the person you want to help when going on the car. So more time could be dedicated to killing both Ai and herself. She also slides on the windshield which takes more time.
3. It wont give you much a better sense of surrounding as just running by the side of the car and looking through to the other side and it's easier to hear things with cover. Plus you don't have to spend time thinking about the dipping the car does each step. Since she gets on top and just tuns to Ai then I doubt she paid close attentions either.

[1Kaito]

I still don't get why Ran didn't just take Ai and run.

[ProfParanoia]

I still don't get why Ran didn't just take Ai and run.

Because I'm sure the people with guns aimed at a little girl will think twice about just shooting both of us !

[Nyarl]

She wasn't being shot at until she was on the roof. In fact, Calvados didn't start shooting until she was already running off the roof. At least, in the manga version.

1. She was shot at on the roof. And considering all she had to go on were shots, there's no way she'd know where the gun are, and 2 of them were right by the car and could have easily shot her right there.
2. It takes way more time to get to the person you want to help when going on the car. So more time could be dedicated to killing both Ai and herself. She also slides on the windshield which takes more time.
3. It wont give you much a better sense of surrounding as just running by the side of the car and looking through to the other side and it's easier to hear things with cover. Plus you don't have to spend time thinking about the dipping the car does each step. Since she gets on top and just tuns to Ai then I doubt she paid close attentions either.

What you're describing and what happened in the manga are two different things. Ran was already on the front hood when Calvados's first shot hits the car. There's no evidence she slid down the windshield rather than strode/jumped straight down to the hood once she spotted Ai. (There's only evidence for two shots from Clavados before Vermouth shoots at him to get him to stop shooting, by the way, none of that Storm Trooper spray and pray crap.)

How would Ran know which side of the car to take cover beside if she couldn't gauge the direction of the shots while in the trunk? Jumping top first, then reacting to what she saw makes more sense than risking guessing and really being a sitting duck between the gunmen and the car.

Pretty sure that jumping a couple of times is quicker than cautiously running around the car using it as cover, too.

I still don't get why Ran didn't just take Ai and run.

Because I'm sure the people with guns aimed at a little girl will think twice about just shooting both of us !

She was buying time for the girl. Remember, she called the police. Even if the gunmen killed her it her body would delay a clan shot on the girl, and the gunmen might hear the police coming and flee before killing the girl. For hype's sake, Ran basically told Haibara this when Haibara tried to squirm away.

Also, teenagers should make perfect plans in the heat of the moment, or it's bad writing and we can prove it by anal retentive nitpicking.

[ProfParanoia]

What you're describing and what happened in the manga are two different things. Ran was already on the front hood when Calvados's first shot hits the car. There's no evidence she slid down the windshield rather than strode/jumped straight down to the hood once she spotted Ai. (There's only evidence for two shots from Clavados before Vermouth shoots at him to get him to stop shooting, by the way, none of that Storm Trooper spray and pray crap.)

He still shot at her before she was there, also this only helps in proving Calvados is stupid, not that Ran had any better of an idea. Plus, she also has to bank that Verm doesn't plug her in the head.

Also the manga doesn't make it look much better since she still just jumps off the car after spending the time going down the whole thing, and that she apparently took the time to plan a jump from the trunk to the vary top of the car which is a good move too.

How would Ran know which side of the car to take cover beside if she couldn't gauge the direction of the shots while in the trunk? Jumping top first, then reacting to what she saw makes more sense than risking guessing and really being a sitting duck between the gunmen and the car.

Pretty sure that jumping a couple of times is quicker than cautiously running around the car using it as cover, too.

There is a giant body of water right next to the car and a bunch of people on the other, she can't tell? It's not like opening a trunk is the fastest motion in the world, she'd have time to see where things are.

She was buying time for the girl. Remember, she called the police. Even if the gunmen killed her it her body would delay a clan shot on the girl, and the gunmen might hear the police coming and flee before killing the girl. For ef's sake, Ran basically told Haibara this when Haibara tried to squirm away.

She was buy time for her, but there's no guarantee that that wont just lead their deaths. Guns work fast and after grabbing Ai she shouts she called the cops which could push them towards killing them more directly and not planning anything else or talking. And again, she really banks that the gunman can't shoot.

Also, teenagers should make perfect plans in the heat of the moment, or it's bad writing and we can prove it by anal retentive nitpicking.

Pointing out the entire switch of the plot saving a major character is just a new level of stupid for ever character involved and that Ran's motivation for even being their was a new level of stupid isn't anal nitpicking is a legitimate complaint. Maybe for just a regular episode or two it's fine but for the resolution to a whole arc over 200 episodes in the making it should have been though of more.

[1Kaito]

Pretty sure that jumping a couple of times is quicker than cautiously running around the car using it as cover, too.

Really? You think so? I hope you never come across a similar situation my friend.

she really banks that the gunman can't shoot.

She really did, she really did.

[Nyarl]

What you're describing and what happened in the manga are two different things. Ran was already on the front hood when Calvados's first shot hits the car. There's no evidence she slid down the windshield rather than strode/jumped straight down to the hood once she spotted Ai. (There's only evidence for two shots from Clavados before Vermouth shoots at him to get him to stop shooting, by the way, none of that Storm Trooper spray and pray crap.)

He still shot at her before she was there, also this only helps in proving Calvados is stupid, not that Ran had any better of an idea. Plus, she also has to bank that Verm doesn't plug her in the head.

She didn't even know who was where. How could she bank on anything?

Oh, and in your theoretical nitpickery world, snipers never lose time when shocked by unexpected events. They immediately make perfect head shots against erratically moving targets.

Also the manga doesn't make it look much better since she still just jumps off the car after spending the time going down the whole thing, and that she apparently took the time to plan a jump from the trunk to the vary top of the car which is a good move too.

Nothing wrong with it. Apart from situational awareness, it allows for Z axis movement to further throw off aim.

There is a giant body of water right next to the car and a bunch of people on the other, she can't tell? It's not like opening a trunk is the fastest motion in the world, she'd have time to see where things are.

Pretty sure she got out of the trunk like a bat out of hell given the motion line in the manga.

She was buy time for her, but there's no guarantee that that wont just lead their deaths. Guns work fast and after grabbing Ai she shouts she called the cops which could push them towards killing them more directly and not planning anything else or talking. And again, she really banks that the gunman can't shoot.

Why does what Ran do need to "guarantee" something before she does it?

She whispered to Haibara, BTW, she didn't yell. Spiky text bubbles = yell. Curvy text bubbles = whisper. Okay I'll back a away from that because wavy text bubbles appear to mean "with emotion". But, it's still a big assumption that Ran shouted her plan out to Haibara, whose ear was practically next to her mouth, "with emotion" or not.

Pointing out the entire switch of the plot saving a major character is just a new level of stupid for ever character involved and that Ran's motivation for even being their was a new level of stupid isn't anal nitpicking is a legitimate complaint. Maybe for just a regular episode or two it's fine but for the resolution to a whole arc over 200 episodes in the making it should have been though of more.

GTFO is a perfectly appropriate response to this. Seriously, find an author you can respect. Aoyama's not going to get any "better".

[ranger]

GTFO is a perfectly appropriate response to this. Seriously, find an author you can respect. Aoyama's not going to get any "better".

Oh my, do remember this is a debate over an anime, on the internet :]  I'm sure ProfParanoia respects Aoyama, or else he wouldn't be in this forum - but like any fan who has seen over 600+ episodes or 700+ chapters, I think he has the right to complain.

I do agree there are some "wtfbbq" moments in episode 345, but I agree with Nyarl, that Gosho's sadly not going to get any better XD 345 was, the best/most pivotal part of the series.