I'm still annoyed at the Revival/Shinichi's Return/Shirigami-sama case

[psyko_stevey_999]

Who here has ever seen Friends? I think that to understand the importance of a stagnant romantic aspect within a tumultuous plot climate you need to understand Monica and Chandler. This couple is incredibly boring because while the other characters, Ross Rachel Joey etc. all have many romantic encounters with others as well as one another, Monica and Chandler are always together. To some this may seem boring, to have a couple that makes only small alterations to it's dynamic and yet...imagine if the show had decided to have them get a divorce and see other people. And imagine if Monica had started seeing Joey? I don't care how much you longed for new development that would have pissed you off, why? because they were fine the way they were. Exciting? not exactly. That doesn't mean it warrants an overhaul. The truth is the whole balance of the show would have been thrown off without that sense of stability

For those of you who haven't seen Friends, these are the connections I was making

---->Chandler = Ran
----->Monica = Shinichi
------>Joey = Ai(for the sake of this analogy)

This is why I think no matter how much fan grief he gets, Gosho will never dramatically change the relationship between Ran and Shinichi. Advance it? Yeah of course they're 17 they still have a ways to go. But as far as introducing new characters into the romance mix and love triangles and all that, I can't see it happening. And frankly I wouldn't want it to happen. A couple like them doesn't need that kind of turbulence, they already have the issue of Shinichi not really being there to deal with.

[kirite]

Who here has ever seen Friends? I think that to understand the importance of a stagnant romantic aspect within a tumultuous plot climate you need to understand Monica and Chandler. This couple is incredibly boring because while the other characters, Ross Rachel Joey etc. all have many romantic encounters with others as well as one another, Monica and Chandler are always together. To some this may seem boring, to have a couple that makes only small alterations to it's dynamic and yet...imagine if the show had decided to have them get a divorce and see other people. And imagine if Monica had started seeing Joey? I don't care how much you longed for new development that would have pissed you off, why? because they were fine the way they were. Exciting? not exactly. That doesn't mean it warrants an overhaul. The truth is the whole balance of the show would have been thrown off without that sense of stability

For those of you who haven't seen Friends, these are the connections I was making

---->Chandler = Ran
----->Monica = Shinichi
------>Joey = Ai(for the sake of this analogy)

This is why I think no matter how much fan grief he gets, Gosho will never dramatically change the relationship between Ran and Shinichi. Advance it? Yeah of course they're 17 they still have a ways to go. But as far as introducing new characters into the romance mix and love triangles and all that, I can't see it happening. And frankly I wouldn't want it to happen. A couple like them doesn't need that kind of turbulence, they already have the issue of Shinichi not really being there to deal with.

Nope never saw friends.

Now I have no idea what you're talking about :I

In any case I agree that Gosho will never dramatically change the relationship between Ran and Shinichi.  I don't think he'll advance it either, they're going to stay 17-18 until the end of the series.  I think to "advance" a relationship a relationship should go through rough patches (like Shinichi's many many admirers, Ai, Eisuke, etc...).  It show that they can go through difficult things together.  The thing about this couple is that whenever things get really rough they hide things from each other instead of getting support.  It might have to do with the fact that Ran expects Shinichi to deduct everything she's thinking and Shinichi wants to hide his feelings because he's too much of a pussy.  They also have a tendency to ignore important things (Eisuke's feelings for Ran, Ai's feelings for Shinichi etc...) which just means less "biting the bullet and facing things together by being honest about their feelings" and more "nothing happens".
 
I like character growth then romance.  But eh to each his own. 

[bluekaitou1412]

I like character growth then romance.  But eh to each his own. 

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[kkslider5552000]

Who here has ever seen Friends?

using Friends as a good example of anything: instafail

[psyko_stevey_999]

Anyone who says they don't like Friends a little bit is a liar. I'm a dude and I liked a few episodes, it's just good writing

[dilbertschalter]

Anyone who says they don't like Friends a little bit is a liar. I'm a dude and I liked a few episodes, it's just good writing

[randompi314159]

Interesting analogy with Friends

I like character growth then romance.  But eh to each his own. 

But yeah, I also prefer character growth.

[Shuusgirl]

I get what you mean with the Friends thing, and I agree.  And with the whole "they hide stuff from each other", well, they are 17.  17 year olds like to think they can handle everything themselves, and that's especially true with Shinichi. He's always dealt with things himself, and is just now realizing the whole "by myself" tactic really sucks.

[psyko_stevey_999]

Agreed, he is kind of an idiot for sticking with that strategy after approximately 13 months (according to the canon) of unsuccessful tracking. I can understand him not telling Ran, but come on his dad has connections with the FBI and Interpol. It's about time he put his ego away and accepted some much needed assistance from the ol' red white and blue

[Freyr]

Agreed, he is kind of an idiot for sticking with that strategy after approximately 13 months (according to the canon) of unsuccessful tracking. I can understand him not telling Ran, but come on his dad has connections with the FBI and Interpol. It's about time he put his ego away and accepted some much needed assistance from the ol' red white and blue

We know both the FBI and CIA are going after the BO and have been so for years (deep cover of Hondou, Moroboshi Dai cover). Due to Interpol's breadth would be safe to assume they have at least heard of the organization. Theres been talk of Britain, tangentially as it is, since the introduction of Sagaru Hakuba eons ago, so SIS/MI6 could be involved somewhere.

Point being, know that "The Bureau" and "The Company" know about "The Organization," safe to assume other intelligence or criminal agencies know too, even if it isn't public, and they still haven't been able to stop them. So Shinichi won't be safe just by telling them whats what.

[Shuusgirl]

Agreed, he is kind of an idiot for sticking with that strategy after approximately 13 months (according to the canon) of unsuccessful tracking. I can understand him not telling Ran, but come on his dad has connections with the FBI and Interpol. It's about time he put his ego away and accepted some much needed assistance from the ol' red white and blue

We know both the FBI and CIA are going after the BO and have been so for years (deep cover of Hondou, Moroboshi Dai cover). Due to Interpol's breadth would be safe to assume they have at least heard of the organization. Theres been talk of Britain, tangentially as it is, since the introduction of Sagaru Hakuba eons ago, so SIS/MI6 could be involved somewhere.

Point being, know that "The Bureau" and "The Company" know about "The Organization," safe to assume other intelligence or criminal agencies know too, even if it isn't public, and they still haven't been able to stop them. So Shinichi won't be safe just by telling them whats what.

Not only that, he'd stand to lose too much.  If they don't let him be (remembering that Shinichi IS a minor) and decide to keep him out of the loop, he loses the little anonymity he has, he'll probably have people watching him, and he'd get pressure to go into witness protection.  Shinichi doesn't need to deal with all that as he tries to bring down an organization no one has been able to stop.  So I don't think he's an idiot for not trusting the authorities, I think he needs to start up his own network of ears to look for them.  Go on the offensive a little more.  Have Heiji help look for them, keep in touch with Eisuke and see if he can track their movements in the US for ideas on what might be happening as an organization.  Try to recruit KID (good luck) and use his disguising.  He's got lots of people, he needs to stop being on the defense if he wants to stop the B.O.
Also, how do you know it's been 13 months???

[kkslider5552000]

Also, how do you know it's been 13 months???

presumably how impossible it is to explain the Valentine's Day and White Day cases if there is anything close to a logical chronological order any other way?

[psyko_stevey_999]

Im basing that guess solely on the fact that the first valentines day took place in the first ten episodes, then the next took place in the late 200's, then the following white took place in the early 600's. This is just a loose guess that doesn't hold much water but it at least gives somewhat of an estimate

And I see you point with the investigative bureaus, however I think if he asked the right people in the right fashion he could maintain his anonymity. With Interpol he could just filter information through his dad without involving himself directly, and the FBI were good about keeping his involvement in the last BO arc under wraps. I'm just sayin he's a smart guy and there are ways to remain hidden while divulging and receiving intel

[ProfParanoia]

Im basing that guess solely on the fact that the first valentines day took place in the first ten episodes, then the next took place in the late 200's, then the following white took place in the early 600's. This is just a loose guess that doesn't hold much water but it at least gives somewhat of an estimate

The first valentine's day episode (I  believe 6), was an AO, so it wouldn't count.

[psyko_stevey_999]

Like I said, doesn't really hold water nevertheless its the best guess i can think of. Although the main issue that's always confused me is that if it has been over a year since Shinichi's disappearance why hasn't anyone changed grades? unless i missed something