Shinichi playing the violin?

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Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby MaitreDétective » January 21st, 2011, 3:11 pm

Is it cannon?

It is stated in the movies and Shinichi is shown playing it in the OAV's

but is it showed or stated in the manga? :(
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Postby itsashleylove » January 21st, 2011, 4:32 pm

It's shown in OVA 8
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Postby kkslider5552000 » January 21st, 2011, 4:50 pm

itsashleylove wrote:It's shown in OVA 8

this confirms it can't be canon
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Postby itsashleylove » January 21st, 2011, 5:47 pm

kkslider5552000 wrote:
itsashleylove wrote:It's shown in OVA 8

this confirms it can't be canon


oh my bad, didn't read carefully  :-X
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Re: Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby Mead » January 22nd, 2011, 7:51 am

Honestly, I think they messed up on that, and that it's not very characteristic for him to play the violin. I'm pretty sure it's never shown in canonical material for two reasons.

1) In the very first episode he says he pretty much used Soccer/Football in place of Holme's Hobby of playing the Violin.

2) Pretty Tone deaf and had to rely solely on others to figure out the pattern for the BO's number.
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Postby xpon » January 22nd, 2011, 8:01 am

he pretty much used Soccer/Football in place of Holme's Hobby of fencing!
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Postby Kor » January 22nd, 2011, 10:33 am

Mead wrote:2) Pretty Tone deaf and had to rely solely on others to figure out the pattern for the BO's number.


Tone Deafs can still play on musical instruments. They can press on an A on the piano and it will still be A whether they are tone deafs or not. Though, I doubt they can become great musicians if they can't identify between notes.
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Postby Freyr » January 22nd, 2011, 3:54 pm

Beethoven suffered hearing loss and eventually complete deafness and is considered one of the greatest classical composers and pianists. Figure Tone-Deafness isn't nearly as hard on someone.
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Postby Kor » January 22nd, 2011, 4:45 pm

Freyr wrote:Beethoven suffered hearing loss and eventually complete deafness and is considered one of the greatest classical composers and pianists. Figure Tone-Deafness isn't nearly as hard on someone.


Tone deafness and hearing loss are two different things, and Beethoven was definitely not tone deaf.
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Re: Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby Mead » January 22nd, 2011, 8:05 pm

xpon wrote:he pretty much used Soccer/Football in place of Holme's Hobby of fencing!


He used it for both if I'm not mistaken, His kicking the ball around in place of the Violin, and what Kor said.
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Re: Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby Freyr » January 23rd, 2011, 12:30 am

Kor wrote:
Freyr wrote:Beethoven suffered hearing loss and eventually complete deafness and is considered one of the greatest classical composers and pianists. Figure Tone-Deafness isn't nearly as hard on someone.


Tone deafness and hearing loss are two different things, and Beethoven was definitely not tone deaf.


His hearing deteriorated till it was gone, wasn't that he just couldn't hear well. And suffering Tinnitus symptoms, the ringing would distort sound.
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Re: Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby Mead » January 23rd, 2011, 3:30 am

Freyr wrote:
Kor wrote:
Freyr wrote:Beethoven suffered hearing loss and eventually complete deafness and is considered one of the greatest classical composers and pianists. Figure Tone-Deafness isn't nearly as hard on someone.


Tone deafness and hearing loss are two different things, and Beethoven was definitely not tone deaf.


His hearing deteriorated till it was gone, wasn't that he just couldn't hear well. And suffering Tinnitus symptoms, the ringing would distort sound.


Yeah but at the same time none of this matters besides argument for arguments sake. He was a very talented musician long before his hearing became a problem, thus having the knowledge and experience to do well even with that condition. Not to mention music was his lives work, unlike Shinichi who was always "tone deaf" and had far more interest than overcoming it.

Not to mention I didn't say it was impossible at any point, but that the fact he could barely if at all identify the sounds to the key pressing (Ran had an easier time), makes it a stretch that he would really know much about how to play instruments.
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Postby Treyvoni » January 23rd, 2011, 10:18 pm

While him playing the violin is not canon, it is not outside the realm of possibility. For one, we are shown in the Moonlight Sonata case that he is capable of distinguishing between the notes to understand the message. As well, when he is determining the Black Organization's phone number, he figured out the first four numbers on his own without the help of anyone else by recall and matching.

A truly 'tonedeaf' person could not do that. And when he does play the first four notes for a person with perfect pitch, he asks if it is 'H A G A' which the person says is correct. So he can tell that much. His mother is shown to know the piano, and Shinichi at least learned some of the basics of music from her.

I believe the misunderstanding comes from the fact that Shinichi cannot sing. Sometimes people who say that those who cannot sing are 'tone deaf' but the ability to produce the notes and the ability to recognize the notes are two different processes and occur in different sections of the brain.

Musical recognition is processed in the primary auditory cortex, located on the Temporal Lobe. In fact, tonal differentiation and musical listening skills are primarily located on the right side of the brain (but due to brain plasticity, this is a generalization and not a hard and fast rule). The ability to sing is far more complex as it involves regulating your own bodily movements (your diaphragm, larynx and tongue, to name a few) to produce certain sounds. It could simply be that Shinichi is poor at regulating these systems.

Truly tone deaf people not only cannot distinguish between notes, but they often times cannot remember or understand songs at all. How can you remember when you cannot understand there is a difference between one song and the next (lyrics, or words set to music are actually stored in another part of the brain from normal speech, so this process would be impaired in a tone deaf person as well). Conan not only knows the song Seven Children, but he recalls something (at least the feeling of sorrow) when he hears it from Vermouth's phone. As well, he is able to recognize songs (such as when they are at Karaoke, as in Bloody Venus).

Therefore it is likely that Shinichi is not tone deaf, instead he simply cannot sing.
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Postby Nyarl » January 23rd, 2011, 10:31 pm

Treyvoni wrote:While him playing the violin is not canon, it is not outside the realm of possibility. For one, we are shown in the Moonlight Sonata case that he is capable of distinguishing between the notes to understand the message. As well, when he is determining the Black Organization's phone number, he figured out the first four numbers on his own without the help of anyone else by recall and matching.

A truly 'tonedeaf' person could not do that. And when he does play the first four notes for a person with perfect pitch, he asks if it is 'H A G A' which the person says is correct. So he can tell that much. His mother is shown to know the piano, and Shinichi at least learned some of the basics of music from her.

I believe the misunderstanding comes from the fact that Shinichi cannot sing. Sometimes people who say that those who cannot sing are 'tone deaf' but the ability to produce the notes and the ability to recognize the notes are two different processes and occur in different sections of the brain.

Musical recognition is processed in the primary auditory cortex, located on the Temporal Lobe. In fact, tonal differentiation and musical listening skills are primarily located on the right side of the brain (but due to brain plasticity, this is a generalization and not a hard and fast rule). The ability to sing is far more complex as it involves regulating your own bodily movements (your diaphragm, larynx and tongue, to name a few) to produce certain sounds. It could simply be that Shinichi is poor at regulating these systems.

Truly tone deaf people not only cannot distinguish between notes, but they often times cannot remember or understand songs at all. How can you remember when you cannot understand there is a difference between one song and the next (lyrics, or words set to music are actually stored in another part of the brain from normal speech, so this process would be impaired in a tone deaf person as well). Conan not only knows the song Seven Children, but he recalls something (at least the feeling of sorrow) when he hears it from Vermouth's phone. As well, he is able to recognize songs (such as when they are at Karaoke, as in Bloody Venus).

Therefore it is likely that Shinichi is not tone deaf, instead he simply cannot sing.


Nah, Aoyama is just a bad writer who retcons stuff arbitrarily and clearly meant Sonoko's insults as gospel narrative about Shin'ichi's ability to discern tones. (Sonoko is not a reliable narrator is the correct answer to several such controversies. I've tried the detailed-argument-backed-by-canon-evidence approach on this issue enough times already. Snotty sarcasm is more fun.)
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Re: Shinichi playing the violin?

Postby sstimson » January 23rd, 2011, 11:12 pm

Well there is a picture of Him playing a recorder in Episode 18, So the part of him playing a musical instrument is canon, but it is not a Violin. But I believe that was a Manga cover with that though.

More later as I look to find that cover.
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