FBI or CIA?

[Kaia]

Perhaps the BO just recently started to get into computers?
Otherwise they would have their own personal on that field and not force people outside from their oraganization to create those stuffs.

[mangaluva]

Or they need the really uncommonly good hackers for whatever they're planning. Think Die Hard 4.0. Rather than employing a ton of hackers, who can, y'know, blow up your entire computer system if they feel like it, just retain them for a job and then blow them up. I can see the BO doing that.

[Suutashi]

Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.

If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-cia-fbi-and-nsa.htm While we do see a rift between the FBI and CIA in fiction we don't see this kind of thing with NSA and the FBI. In actuality a lot of the rivalry between the FBI and CIA in fiction is just as it is: fiction. NSA works more on security (thus the name NSA) while the CIA and FBI do more of the intelligence and criminal investigating work. It would make about as much sense for Homeland Security to show up in Japan investigating as it would for the NSA to have a NOC in the Black Org.

Quoting from the above link

The NSA handles most American computer intelligence and decryption, and has also contributed significantly to computer technology around the world. Early computers were developed in the offices of the NSA, and the NSA continues to innovate in the technological field. NSA agents are primarily found in the head offices of the organization in Maryland, although they also work closely with the United States Armed Forces to secure military information on bases and in the battlefield.

Did you forgot the Bo is also into computers? They try to get at least game programers, and computer programers, one who was scared to finish the BO's program. According to the above, that would be in the NSA area.

That would be the case if it was been proven that the B.O. has directly infiltrated US government databases, affected the security of sensitive information, have disrupted and/or hacked communication or anything done anything else that could compromise the US's security. The computer programmer you mentioned that was told to make a particular program for the Org but didn't want to 'for the sake of humanity' was never finished and we never found out what the program purpose was supposed to be so we don't really know why he didn't want to complete creating the program. Since the program was left incomplete and we've only seen someone who isn't even a member of the Org creating computer programs. We've seen the Org use the Night Baron virus that deletes all of the information on both the floppy disk that contains it and the computer the floppy disk was inserted into. (This is during The Girl From the Black Organization.) But that same virus has shown up in a different storyline, Baron of the Night Murder Case, so chances are that the virus's creation may or may not have been by the hands of someone who is an Org member. We never really did find out who created the Night Baron virus.

[mangaluva]

Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.

If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-cia-fbi-and-nsa.htm While we do see a rift between the FBI and CIA in fiction we don't see this kind of thing with NSA and the FBI. In actuality a lot of the rivalry between the FBI and CIA in fiction is just as it is: fiction. NSA works more on security (thus the name NSA) while the CIA and FBI do more of the intelligence and criminal investigating work. It would make about as much sense for Homeland Security to show up in Japan investigating as it would for the NSA to have a NOC in the Black Org.

Quoting from the above link

The NSA handles most American computer intelligence and decryption, and has also contributed significantly to computer technology around the world. Early computers were developed in the offices of the NSA, and the NSA continues to innovate in the technological field. NSA agents are primarily found in the head offices of the organization in Maryland, although they also work closely with the United States Armed Forces to secure military information on bases and in the battlefield.

Did you forgot the Bo is also into computers? They try to get at least game programers, and computer programers, one who was scared to finish the BO's program. According to the above, that would be in the NSA area.

That would be the case if it was been proven that the B.O. has directly infiltrated US government databases, affected the security of sensitive information, have disrupted and/or hacked communication or anything done anything else that could compromise the US's security. The computer programmer you mentioned that was told to make a particular program for the Org but didn't want to 'for the sake of humanity' was never finished and we never found out what the program purpose was supposed to be so we don't really know why he didn't want to complete creating the program. Since the program was left incomplete and we've only seen someone who isn't even a member of the Org creating computer programs. We've seen the Org use the Night Baron virus that deletes all of the information on both the floppy disk that contains it and the computer the floppy disk was inserted into. (This is during The Girl From the Black Organization.) But that same virus has shown up in a different storyline, Baron of the Night Murder Case, so chances are that the virus's creation may or may not have been by the hands of someone who is an Org member. We never really did find out who created the Night Baron virus.

Though it is believable that the Black Org could have hacked major US government databases. I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

[Suutashi]

Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.

If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-cia-fbi-and-nsa.htm While we do see a rift between the FBI and CIA in fiction we don't see this kind of thing with NSA and the FBI. In actuality a lot of the rivalry between the FBI and CIA in fiction is just as it is: fiction. NSA works more on security (thus the name NSA) while the CIA and FBI do more of the intelligence and criminal investigating work. It would make about as much sense for Homeland Security to show up in Japan investigating as it would for the NSA to have a NOC in the Black Org.

Quoting from the above link

The NSA handles most American computer intelligence and decryption, and has also contributed significantly to computer technology around the world. Early computers were developed in the offices of the NSA, and the NSA continues to innovate in the technological field. NSA agents are primarily found in the head offices of the organization in Maryland, although they also work closely with the United States Armed Forces to secure military information on bases and in the battlefield.

Did you forgot the Bo is also into computers? They try to get at least game programers, and computer programers, one who was scared to finish the BO's program. According to the above, that would be in the NSA area.

That would be the case if it was been proven that the B.O. has directly infiltrated US government databases, affected the security of sensitive information, have disrupted and/or hacked communication or anything done anything else that could compromise the US's security. The computer programmer you mentioned that was told to make a particular program for the Org but didn't want to 'for the sake of humanity' was never finished and we never found out what the program purpose was supposed to be so we don't really know why he didn't want to complete creating the program. Since the program was left incomplete and we've only seen someone who isn't even a member of the Org creating computer programs. We've seen the Org use the Night Baron virus that deletes all of the information on both the floppy disk that contains it and the computer the floppy disk was inserted into. (This is during The Girl From the Black Organization.) But that same virus has shown up in a different storyline, Baron of the Night Murder Case, so chances are that the virus's creation may or may not have been by the hands of someone who is an Org member. We never really did find out who created the Night Baron virus.

Though it is believable that the Black Org could have hacked major US government databases. I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

  What the frick? Mangaluva I really don't know what you are talking about. I looked up "scientologists hack computer" on Google using those exact words and I got an 'anti- Scientology' group that hacked Church of Scientology web sites.  But it was mostly prank level stuff according to the web page I looked at. If you want elaborate please do so through a pm as I do not want this thread going way off of topic.

[Abs.]

The FBI and the CIA are involved in DC because Aoyama, like most Japanese, has a ...strong affinity... for all things American.  Also, they are "cool."

/thread

[mangaluva]

Google "Operation Snow White". Eleven high-ranking Scientologists were arrested for breaking into Government databases, including the IRS and FBI, in an attempt to cover up previous criminal activity. All were convicted and given two to six years in prison. (This was in 1978 so it wasn't really hacking, but in recent years they've been caught attempting similar coverups in Belgium, France and Australia, which did involve computer hacking).

Although yes, most involvements with hacking and Scientology are Scientology computers being hacked by anti-Scientologists who are trying to expose Scientologist practices.

But basically, I'm saying that the Black Org is a significantly slicker and more secretive organization, and could probably pull off hacking government computers far more successfully.

[Suutashi]

Google "Operation Snow White". Eleven high-ranking Scientologists were arrested for breaking into Government databases, including the IRS and FBI, in an attempt to cover up previous criminal activity. All were convicted and given two to six years in prison. (This was in 1978 so it wasn't really hacking, but in recent years they've been caught attempting similar coverups in Belgium, France and Australia, which did involve computer hacking).

Although yes, most involvements with hacking and Scientology are Scientology computers being hacked by anti-Scientologists who are trying to expose Scientologist practices.

But basically, I'm saying that the Black Org is a significantly slicker and more secretive organization, and could probably pull off hacking government computers far more successfully.

You still really are not answering my question about this.--->

Though it is believable that the Black Org could have hacked major US government databases. I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

Operation Snow White didn't involve hacking of any kind so that was not a case of Scientologists hacking US government databases. The recent instances of cover-up operations with the use of hacking did not take place in the US. That makes your example of

I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

invalid. The point I was trying to make was that there has been no real example of the Black Org. being involved in anything that would cause the NSA to take action against them. Actually if the database that contains Chris Vineyard's and Sharon Vineyard's fingerprints had been hacked by someone in the B.O. that would both make it more probable for the NSA to be active in Japan (but not by much mind you) and it could explain why Sharon's and Chris's fingerprint search results were a match. Even then it would still really be a stretch for the NSA to have active members in Japan.

[mangaluva]

Okay, so I was being facetious, forgive me >_>

[CaseClosed101]

O_o

*Faints from walls of text*

[sstimson]

Google "Operation Snow White". Eleven high-ranking Scientologists were arrested for breaking into Government databases, including the IRS and FBI, in an attempt to cover up previous criminal activity. All were convicted and given two to six years in prison. (This was in 1978 so it wasn't really hacking, but in recent years they've been caught attempting similar coverups in Belgium, France and Australia, which did involve computer hacking).

Although yes, most involvements with hacking and Scientology are Scientology computers being hacked by anti-Scientologists who are trying to expose Scientologist practices.

But basically, I'm saying that the Black Org is a significantly slicker and more secretive organization, and could probably pull off hacking government computers far more successfully.

You still really are not answering my question about this.--->

Though it is believable that the Black Org could have hacked major US government databases. I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

Operation Snow White didn't involve hacking of any kind so that was not a case of Scientologists hacking US government databases. The recent instances of cover-up operations with the use of hacking did not take place in the US. That makes your example of

I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

invalid. The point I was trying to make was that there has been no real example of the Black Org. being involved in anything that would cause the NSA to take action against them. Actually if the database that contains Chris Vineyard's and Sharon Vineyard's fingerprints had been hacked by someone in the B.O. that would both make it more probable for the NSA to be active in Japan (but not by much mind you) and it could explain why Sharon's and Chris's fingerprint search results were a match. Even then it would still really be a stretch for the NSA to have active members in Japan.

I disagree. If they  Made the "Night Baron" Virus, That could threaten the Governments Computer Network.
The Programmer where Conan almost met Vokda said he could not complete the program the BO wanted him to make because it could threaten the World. So there is evidence that the BO could be a major threat to Government Computers and that should be enough for the NSA to get involved. More likely, they are not involved because they are too secretive and do not have the 'shine' of the CIA and FBI.

[Suutashi]

Google "Operation Snow White". Eleven high-ranking Scientologists were arrested for breaking into Government databases, including the IRS and FBI, in an attempt to cover up previous criminal activity. All were convicted and given two to six years in prison. (This was in 1978 so it wasn't really hacking, but in recent years they've been caught attempting similar coverups in Belgium, France and Australia, which did involve computer hacking).

Although yes, most involvements with hacking and Scientology are Scientology computers being hacked by anti-Scientologists who are trying to expose Scientologist practices.

But basically, I'm saying that the Black Org is a significantly slicker and more secretive organization, and could probably pull off hacking government computers far more successfully.

You still really are not answering my question about this.--->

Though it is believable that the Black Org could have hacked major US government databases. I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

Operation Snow White didn't involve hacking of any kind so that was not a case of Scientologists hacking US government databases. The recent instances of cover-up operations with the use of hacking did not take place in the US. That makes your example of

I mean, hell, Scientologists managed it...

invalid. The point I was trying to make was that there has been no real example of the Black Org. being involved in anything that would cause the NSA to take action against them. Actually if the database that contains Chris Vineyard's and Sharon Vineyard's fingerprints had been hacked by someone in the B.O. that would both make it more probable for the NSA to be active in Japan (but not by much mind you) and it could explain why Sharon's and Chris's fingerprint search results were a match. Even then it would still really be a stretch for the NSA to have active members in Japan.

I disagree. If they  Made the "Night Baron" Virus, That could threaten the Governments Computer Network.
The Programmer where Conan almost met Vokda said he could not complete the program the BO wanted him to make because it could threaten the World. So there is evidence that the BO could be a major threat to Government Computers and that should be enough for the NSA to get involved. More likely, they are not involved because they are too secretive and do not have the 'shine' of the CIA and FBI.

That would only be true if they had indeed created the Night Baron. There is no proof of this. Plus the programmer never completed the program he was supposed to create. It's not going to be a threat if it can't even be used. It'd be like trying to drive a car that doesn't have half of its parts.

[Loudlol]

"Logic, it does nothing."  - Unknown

Media wouldn't be entertaining if real logic was applied in every aspect, that's because things wouldn't make sense.

Take a zombie game/movie for an example.  A helo drops of a squad/team into hordes of zombies where they take the risk of being overrun a/o losing their life.  That provides a chance for dramatics and other ways of plot or emotional development.  Now if we were to Use real logic, the squad/team would do the "SMART THING" and stay in the bird firing down onto the enemy from safety.  The later scenario wouldn't be interesting as the first for the sole fact that one is linear and the other can have multiple outcomes.

Gosho uses the FBI and CIA because they are exotic, not to well explored in japan (at least to my knowledge), and they are on the same scale as the BO.  It's really boils down to a faction vs faction/good vs evil rivalry to keep the audience interested and on their toes.  At least this is my opinion for their usage.

[kkslider5552000]

"Logic, it does nothing."  - Unknown

Media wouldn't be entertaining if real logic was applied in every aspect, that's because things wouldn't make sense.

Take a zombie game/movie for an example.  A helo drops of a squad/team into hordes of zombies where they take the risk of being overrun a/o losing their life.  That provides a chance for dramatics and other ways of plot or emotional development.  Now if we were to Use real logic, the squad/team would do the "SMART THING" and stay in the bird firing down onto the enemy from safety.  The later scenario wouldn't be interesting as the first for the sole fact that one is linear and the other can have multiple outcomes.

Gosho uses the FBI and CIA because they are exotic, not to well explored in japan (at least to my knowledge), and they are on the same scale as the BO.  It's really boils down to a faction vs faction/good vs evil rivalry to keep the audience interested and on their toes.  At least this is my opinion for their usage.

...I don't disagree but this is one of the few series where "this isn't what would happen in real life" is often a pretty justified complaint.

[Loudlol]

...I don't disagree but this is one of the few series where "this isn't what would happen in real life" is often a pretty justified complaint.

Okay, I may not be getting what you mean because I'm tired but could you elaborate?