FBI or CIA?

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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Mead » December 11th, 2010, 8:11 am

Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby CaseClosed101 » December 11th, 2010, 8:26 am

Global scale?Then Why not use Interpol?
Given an infinite universe and infinite time, all things will happen. That means that every event is inevitable, including those that are impossible.

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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Kleene Onigiri » December 11th, 2010, 9:15 am

It sounds like you guys think it's "wrong" to have CIA and FBI in Detective Conan. Tho I don't see a real problem with it at all.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby CaseClosed101 » December 11th, 2010, 9:19 am

Kleene Onigiri wrote:It sounds like you guys think it's "wrong" to have CIA and FBI in Detective Conan. Tho I don't see a real problem with it at all.


No, I think it's okay, just unlogical.
Given an infinite universe and infinite time, all things will happen. That means that every event is inevitable, including those that are impossible.

pofa wrote:Number of pofa heart attacks this round: 3+ -.-

The real moral of the story: Don't ever tell Xcomm it would be funny if he did something. (What would that have been, like, pulling a perpetual pofa? D:)


Jd- wrote:This goes without saying, but now you guys really have to win.

I demand it!

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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Mead » December 12th, 2010, 11:11 am

CaseClosed101 wrote:Global scale?Then Why not use Interpol?


Because the FBI are cooler and well, much more impressive of an organization than Interpol. At least from a story prospective.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby ranger » December 24th, 2010, 7:14 am

Kaia wrote:However, what made me wonder is why the CIA and the FBI are not working together?
They have the same purpose, the same enemy and their origin is the same continent. I do not understand the reason why they are working individually and not together.


In reality, the CIA and FBI have always had a rivalry/tense relations throughout history from the JFK assassination to 9/11 intel.  In a nutshell, it basically stemmed back around in WW2 when the head of the CIA created a spy agent network against the orders of J Edgar Hoover (head of the FBI).

Plus, like what many people have said, they simply don't get along due to their differing styles of M.O. and how they handle mission criteria.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Feb914 » December 29th, 2010, 12:12 am

Maybe FBI was originally put in action because "foreign country" in the story is mainly US and thus putting FBI instead of Interpol would bring more "american taste" and easier to create plots (like how Yukiko had a friend in US who turned out to be member of BO), or maybe just simply because "public thought" that any worldwide organisation always have something to do with US (or an US organisation like FBI will be involved).

CIA is put in to make the plot more interesting and what else that's more intriguing than FBI vs CIA rivalry...
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby CaseClosed101 » December 31st, 2010, 1:00 am

Feb914 wrote:Maybe FBI was originally put in action because "foreign country" in the story is mainly US and thus putting FBI instead of Interpol would bring more "american taste" and easier to create plots (like how Yukiko had a friend in US who turned out to be member of BO), or maybe just simply because "public thought" that any worldwide organisation always have something to do with US (or an US organisation like FBI will be involved).

CIA is put in to make the plot more interesting and what else that's more intriguing than FBI vs CIA rivalry...


But I can't really taste that rivalry.
Given an infinite universe and infinite time, all things will happen. That means that every event is inevitable, including those that are impossible.

pofa wrote:Number of pofa heart attacks this round: 3+ -.-

The real moral of the story: Don't ever tell Xcomm it would be funny if he did something. (What would that have been, like, pulling a perpetual pofa? D:)


Jd- wrote:This goes without saying, but now you guys really have to win.

I demand it!

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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Feb914 » December 31st, 2010, 11:01 am

CaseClosed101 wrote:
Feb914 wrote:Maybe FBI was originally put in action because "foreign country" in the story is mainly US and thus putting FBI instead of Interpol would bring more "american taste" and easier to create plots (like how Yukiko had a friend in US who turned out to be member of BO), or maybe just simply because "public thought" that any worldwide organisation always have something to do with US (or an US organisation like FBI will be involved).

CIA is put in to make the plot more interesting and what else that's more intriguing than FBI vs CIA rivalry...


But I can't really taste that rivalry.


They don't change information about spies that infiltrating same organisation (in this case BO) and won't cooperate each other if only Rena wasn't get caught by FBI.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby CaseClosed101 » January 4th, 2011, 12:30 am

Feb914 wrote:
CaseClosed101 wrote:
Feb914 wrote:Maybe FBI was originally put in action because "foreign country" in the story is mainly US and thus putting FBI instead of Interpol would bring more "american taste" and easier to create plots (like how Yukiko had a friend in US who turned out to be member of BO), or maybe just simply because "public thought" that any worldwide organisation always have something to do with US (or an US organisation like FBI will be involved).

CIA is put in to make the plot more interesting and what else that's more intriguing than FBI vs CIA rivalry...


But I can't really taste that rivalry.


They don't change information about spies that infiltrating same organisation (in this case BO) and won't cooperate each other if only Rena wasn't get caught by FBI.


The CIA and the FBI are two completly different organizations.

There is no need to trade info, unless it concerns the other side.
Given an infinite universe and infinite time, all things will happen. That means that every event is inevitable, including those that are impossible.

pofa wrote:Number of pofa heart attacks this round: 3+ -.-

The real moral of the story: Don't ever tell Xcomm it would be funny if he did something. (What would that have been, like, pulling a perpetual pofa? D:)


Jd- wrote:This goes without saying, but now you guys really have to win.

I demand it!

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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Suutashi » January 4th, 2011, 7:02 am

Mead wrote:Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Mead » January 4th, 2011, 10:19 pm

I didn't say it didn't make sense, I just said it was there so you could have someone like her in the plot. She could have just as easily been a member of anything else besides the FBI and it would have made just as much sense.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby sstimson » January 10th, 2011, 2:12 am

suutashi wrote:
Mead wrote:Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.


If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby Suutashi » January 10th, 2011, 3:15 am

sstimson wrote:
suutashi wrote:
Mead wrote:Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.


If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-cia-fbi-and-nsa.htm While we do see a rift between the FBI and CIA in fiction we don't see this kind of thing with NSA and the FBI. In actuality a lot of the rivalry between the FBI and CIA in fiction is just as it is: fiction. NSA works more on security (thus the name NSA) while the CIA and FBI do more of the intelligence and criminal investigating work. It would make about as much sense for Homeland Security to show up in Japan investigating as it would for the NSA to have a NOC in the Black Org.
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Re: FBI or CIA?

Postby sstimson » January 10th, 2011, 8:51 pm

suutashi wrote:
sstimson wrote:
suutashi wrote:
Mead wrote:Yeah, They seem to be operating on their own, It is possible some Japanese Officials like the Prime Minister is aware of it, but otherwise keeping it hidden is best for both the plot and piratically. (Who knows how deep the BO have their hands in Japan's Government or Police Force).

The CIA though, is really just an excuse to have someone like Hidemi in the story, while the FBI was likely chosen to give a visible global scale to the BO's threat.

Actually the fact that Hidemi is a member of the CIA makes sense if you think of it like this: think of how it would be plausible for FBI agents to not know of Hidemi's true identity and the real reason of her involvement with the Org? The rivalry between the FBI and the CIA would allow that make sense when only United States based investigation agencies are being used. The CIA and FBI are not about to swap information about their current operations and members willingly thus leading to a void of communication between each of these agencies leaving active field operatives in the dark. Or at least this may be the case with the FBI being in the dark but a CIA agent may have a greater range of access to information that allow them to be aware of active FBI agents related to their current investigation. This meaning that Hidemi may have known about some of the FBI agents directly connected to the Org in some form or fashion that she would have to be aware of during her time as a N.O.C. (Non Official Cover) but not the other way around.


If that is true why no NSA? National Security Agency?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-cia-fbi-and-nsa.htm While we do see a rift between the FBI and CIA in fiction we don't see this kind of thing with NSA and the FBI. In actuality a lot of the rivalry between the FBI and CIA in fiction is just as it is: fiction. NSA works more on security (thus the name NSA) while the CIA and FBI do more of the intelligence and criminal investigating work. It would make about as much sense for Homeland Security to show up in Japan investigating as it would for the NSA to have a NOC in the Black Org.


Quoting from the above link

The NSA handles most American computer intelligence and decryption, and has also contributed significantly to computer technology around the world. Early computers were developed in the offices of the NSA, and the NSA continues to innovate in the technological field. NSA agents are primarily found in the head offices of the organization in Maryland, although they also work closely with the United States Armed Forces to secure military information on bases and in the battlefield.

Did you forgot the Bo is also into computers? They try to get at least game programers, and computer programers, one who was scared to finish the BO's program. According to the above, that would be in the NSA area.
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