FBI or CIA?

[mangaluva]

Well, if Subaru≠Shuichi then I wouldn't say it's completely unthinkable that he is with the Secret Service. He just feels British for me. He's ginger, for God's sake.
And Elena Miyano is/was British.
The London chapter might also come into this. Eventually.

Spoiler:

I swear there's something sinister about that mad cat lady.

Added spoiler box -  Abs.

[soratothamax]

fbi.gov or cia.gov will give you all the info you need.

Spoiler:

The FBI don't have that kind of power in a foreign country even if they were there legally. There is no way the FBI can get help from the Japanese authorities while they are illegally investigating in the country.

Ever hear of Extradition and International Warrants? I sure if the need arose they could get one.  And I am sure Scar will appear again.

Even if the FBI had solid grounds to convince a judge that scar Akai deserved to be extradited to the US, which as Abs. pointed out the FBI don't have, the FBI asking for a warrant in their situation would be like you trying to get a job by breaking into a CEO's office, rummaging through her stuff, and when the CEO enters her office the next morning, you are sitting in her chair waiting to hand her your resume. It's not going to work and will result in criminal prosecution against you.

User 4869 already discussed this part, but I'll go for it too.

Second: The way Jodie is acting suggest that Akai said nothing to her about faking him death. I believe there is a good chance in this case that if Akai liked her enough, he would have hinted that. That could be proof of his being dead. It could also be a case of 'wanting REAL emotion', though if true seem to be mean, and I do not think Akai would be that mean.

It's true that Jodie's reaction to scar Akai shows that she doesn't know that the real Akai is alive. The reason for this is because Akai is using a "fool your friends to fool your enemies" tacticagain, just like he did when he didn't tell Jodie of the rest of the FBI about the plan to allow Kir to be recaptured from the three vans. (605.4) The problem is that this is not evidence of Akai being dead, only evidence that Jodie doesn't know if Akai is alive. Regarding Akai hinting that he is still alive to her if he truly loved her, Akai has already dumped Jodie for the sake of work once -dating Akemi to enter the BO- and may have left a hint to Jodie in the form of Jodie's drink coaster with a warning message.

Third: Scar already showed himself to the FBI and Jodie. Why do it again?

The first time the target was Jodie, the second time the target was Camel.

Could be by chance though very unlikey, also normally if a person calls you something and they are facing you, you would reply with 'I'm sorry. I'm not him' or 'I've never heard of that name'. Running away can be explained away once or twice as not hearing. When he shows a third, he better say something. (or see above - warrant time)

Scar Akai is making himself suspicious by playing the mute amnesiac. So what? He already accomplished what he needed to do by getting a reaction from the FBI agent he approached. As I pointed out above, Bourbon can't have a warrant put on him. The FBI can try to capture him illegally like they planned to do with Vermouth, but as long as scar Akai approaches only one to two FBI agents at a time and chooses to appear in public locations where the crowds prevent the FBI from using force to capture him, the FBI are SOL.

Looked up info on the FBI fbi.gov

It turns out the FBI CAN arrest you in other countries if you are an American citizen in an international country doing illegal crimes in that country. Vermouth is probably an American citizen (possibly) so they were going to arrest her in the country because she's doing something illegal in Japan, but she is the "property" of America. The only people they couldn't arrest were the criminals in the BO that are Japanese citizens unless they cross US border, or interfere even with international trade, and smuggle things in illegally. Or they hack into websites from international gateways online. If a Japanese citizen murders a US citizen, that's a stickier situation, and more then likely, the Federal Police will be involved and with permission, can arrest the murderer.

Realistically, the FBI wouldn't come into Japan without contacting the Japanese locals. But this is Gosho's world of mystery, and it seems the cops are dense, the BO is too good for them.

This what I got from the website on when they can arrest someone.

National Security Priorities Criminal Priorities

1. Counterterrorism
• International Terrorism
• Domestic Terrorism
• Weapons of Mass Destruction
2. Counterintelligence
• Counterespionage
• Counterproliferation
• Economic Espionage

3. Cyber Crime
• Computer Intrusions
• Online Predators
• Piracy/Intellectual Property Theft
• Internet Fraud

4. Public Corruption
• Government Fraud
• Election Fraud
• Foreign Corrupt Practices

5. Civil Rights
• Hate Crime
• Human Trafficking
• Color of Law
• Freedom of Access to Clinics

6. Organized Crime
• Italian Mafia/LCN
• Eurasian
• Balkan
• Middle Eastern
• Asian
• African
• Sports Bribery

7. White-Collar Crime
• Antitrust
• Bankruptcy Fraud
• Corporate/Securities Fraud
• Health Care Fraud
• Identity Theft
• Insurance Fraud
• Money Laundering
• Mortgage Fraud
• Telemarketing Fraud
• More White-Collar Frauds

8. Major Thefts/Violent Crime
• Art Theft
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

Also, the FBI has more than 50 international offices called "legal attachés" in U.S. embassies worldwide. So they don't need to send you to America to interrogate you. They possibly have an embassy in Japan to do so.

I guess no one read that. I also know what I'm talking about sometimes.  ::)

Basically all the CIA are are spies. They have no authorization to arrest anyone. They gather info (hence the "I" for intelligence" meaning they gather the "intelligence" or info, and they send it back to it's native country, in this case USA. Both can be sent internationally. But the CIA has freer range to do so. The FBI can only do so if it is international terrorism, cyber crimes or hacking from international bases into national computer websites/programs, or if a US citizen commits a crime overseas, or a foreign person commits a crime towards a USA citizen.

My guess is the reason they are in Japan is Vermouth is a USA citizen, and it's pretty obvious they suspect she is involved in International crime. Also the BO is involved with terrorism (as when they threatened to bomb the hospital) and the BO have hacked into several computer programming. Yea, thats why the FBI are there. And the CIA is there simply to gather information. The president requests them to get involved. They spy on all the foreigners, and advise local policymakers of the next move to make. CIA can be sent whether there was a crime committed or not. They get sent simply if the US president suspects anything. FBI get sent only if there is a crime.

Which is unrealistic if the CIA is involved and the local police know nothing about it.
This is also the reason I feel there is a BO base there. Especially because Ai was sent there to study and I'm sure it was probably one of their facility owned schools.

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person everytime doing the investigating.

[Akonyl]

Well, if Subaru≠Shuichi then I wouldn't say it's completely unthinkable that he is with the Secret Service. He just feels British for me. He's ginger, for God's sake.

I'm guessing you mean British Secret Intelligence Service with that, because the US Secret Service wouldn't have much reason at all to be in Japan.

[Dus]

Yes I do. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Akonyl]

it was pretty clear, but I just wanted to make sure as I haven't often heard of the SIS referred to just as the Secret Service.

[soratothamax]

Glad I could be of service.

[Freyr]

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person everytime doing the investigating.

This. The FBI is essentially the US Federal Government's police force. US States and counties have their own individual police forces: they do not work for the federal government, but the local or state governments.
US Federal Govenment has Enumerated Powers and Implied Powers. The states have Reserved powers.
Following the court case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), constitutional amendments after the Civil War, as well as the overall result of the war, final dictating power is given to the federal government, making it more powerful, absolute, or whatever than state governments.
--Thus, makes the FBI, the federal police agency, the most powerful police agency in the United States, and the one used for international situations. It is an overt agency, though just like any police department, will have causes for undercover covert work, and more so due to broader scope of FBI.

The CIA is a spy agency, meaning, they are made to be covert. CIA operatives may work domestically or internationally, but in any case, they work intelligence or counter-intelligence operations, meaning, they live under an assumed identity. This is where the governmental stealth and subterfuge come into play: black ops groups most likely are done with CIA personnel.  Think James Bond, Jason Bourne, Michael Weston for popular and contemporary entertainment examples, taken to the extremes. Most do not live like them.

Or simple example:
Wikileaks of US Citizen: Not good, identity theft incoming.
Wikileaks of FBI agent: Bad for agent
Wikileaks of CIA agent: Deadly to agent

[soratothamax]

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person everytime doing the investigating.

This. The FBI is essentially the US Federal Government's police force. US States and counties have their own individual police forces: they do not work for the federal government, but the local or state governments.
US Federal Govenment has Enumerated Powers and Implied Powers. The states have Reserved powers.
Following the court case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), constitutional amendments after the Civil War, as well as the overall result of the war, final dictating power is given to the federal government, making it more powerful, absolute, or whatever than state governments.
--Thus, makes the FBI, the federal police agency, the most powerful police agency in the United States, and the one used for international situations. It is an overt agency, though just like any police department, will have causes for undercover covert work, and more so due to broader scope of FBI.

The CIA is a spy agency, meaning, they are made to be covert. CIA operatives may work domestically or internationally, but in any case, they work intelligence or counter-intelligence operations, meaning, they live under an assumed identity. This is where the governmental stealth and subterfuge come into play: black ops groups most likely are done with CIA personnel.  Think James Bond, Jason Bourne, Michael Weston for popular and contemporary entertainment examples, taken to the extremes. Most do not live like them.

Or simple example:
Wikileaks of US Citizen: Not good, identity theft incoming.
Wikileaks of FBI agent: Bad for agent
Wikileaks of CIA agent: Deadly to agent

I was thinking of someone to use as an example. And James Bond definitely comes to mind right now.

[CaseClosed101]

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person everytime doing the investigating.

This. The FBI is essentially the US Federal Government's police force. US States and counties have their own individual police forces: they do not work for the federal government, but the local or state governments.
US Federal Govenment has Enumerated Powers and Implied Powers. The states have Reserved powers.
Following the court case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), constitutional amendments after the Civil War, as well as the overall result of the war, final dictating power is given to the federal government, making it more powerful, absolute, or whatever than state governments.
--Thus, makes the FBI, the federal police agency, the most powerful police agency in the United States, and the one used for international situations. It is an overt agency, though just like any police department, will have causes for undercover covert work, and more so due to broader scope of FBI.

The CIA is a spy agency, meaning, they are made to be covert. CIA operatives may work domestically or internationally, but in any case, they work intelligence or counter-intelligence operations, meaning, they live under an assumed identity. This is where the governmental stealth and subterfuge come into play: black ops groups most likely are done with CIA personnel.  Think James Bond, Jason Bourne, Michael Weston for popular and contemporary entertainment examples, taken to the extremes. Most do not live like them.

Or simple example:
Wikileaks of US Citizen: Not good, identity theft incoming.
Wikileaks of FBI agent: Bad for agent
Wikileaks of CIA agent: Deadly to agent

I was thinking of someone to use as an example. And James Bond definitely comes to mind right now.

Edogawa. Edogawa Conan.

[Freyr]

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person everytime doing the investigating.

This. The FBI is essentially the US Federal Government's police force. US States and counties have their own individual police forces: they do not work for the federal government, but the local or state governments.
US Federal Govenment has Enumerated Powers and Implied Powers. The states have Reserved powers.
Following the court case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), constitutional amendments after the Civil War, as well as the overall result of the war, final dictating power is given to the federal government, making it more powerful, absolute, or whatever than state governments.
--Thus, makes the FBI, the federal police agency, the most powerful police agency in the United States, and the one used for international situations. It is an overt agency, though just like any police department, will have causes for undercover covert work, and more so due to broader scope of FBI.

The CIA is a spy agency, meaning, they are made to be covert. CIA operatives may work domestically or internationally, but in any case, they work intelligence or counter-intelligence operations, meaning, they live under an assumed identity. This is where the governmental stealth and subterfuge come into play: black ops groups most likely are done with CIA personnel.  Think James Bond, Jason Bourne, Michael Weston for popular and contemporary entertainment examples, taken to the extremes. Most do not live like them.

Or simple example:
Wikileaks of US Citizen: Not good, identity theft incoming.
Wikileaks of FBI agent: Bad for agent
Wikileaks of CIA agent: Deadly to agent

I was thinking of someone to use as an example. And James Bond definitely comes to mind right now.

Edogawa. Edogawa Conan.

But then it is right.
So would it be..?
Conan. Edogawa Conan
Quite a conundrum we have here.

[User 4869]

Bond is his last name. so it suppose to be
Edogawa, Conan Edogawa. (When they say in English, Japanese put their first name first. In this case, only last name-pause-First name and last name)

[CaseClosed101]

Great. Now I'm confused.

But I guess User 4869 is right though.

...Back to the topic.

I've never understood why the CIA and the FBI are in Japan, either.

I think Gosho is addicted to USA.

After all, only in America, does Pizza arrive faster then the police.

[Freyr]

Bond is his last name. so it suppose to be
Edogawa, Conan Edogawa. (When they say in English, Japanese put their first name first. In this case, only last name-pause-First name and last name)

That was point.

The names Bond, James Bond. If he was Japanese, he would reverse it to James. Bond James. So how would Conan say it? /shrug

Great. Now I'm confused.

But I guess User 4869 is right though.

...Back to the topic.

I've never understood why the CIA and the FBI are in Japan, either.

I think Gosho is addicted to USA.

After all, only in America, does Pizza arrive faster then the police.

Probably because they are some of the most well known agencies in name, American and Japan have had really close relations in the past 50 years, Shinchi *needs* Hawaii which is part of the U.S. So since the US is already involved, why make some other countries' secret intelligence get involved?

[Suutashi]

The BO strikes me as the kind of organization that probably works internationally, though probably on a smaller scale than what they get up to in their "home" country. Nevertheless, working internationally, on whatever scale, could make them a valid threat to the US, hence the CIA's involvement. The FBI seem to be involved because of crimes committed within the US. (I'm surprised the Secret Service hasn't gotten in on this. Or if they have, they're being more subtle than the Americans, which admittedly is usually the case.)

Secret Service? Bah! I'd say that I'd be more surprised if Home Land Security hasn't gotten involved.  

Great. Now I'm confused.

But I guess User 4869 is right though.

...Back to the topic.

I've never understood why the CIA and the FBI are in Japan, either.

I think Gosho is addicted to USA.

After all, only in America, does Pizza arrive faster then the police.

 

fbi.gov or cia.gov will give you all the info you need.

Spoiler:

The FBI don't have that kind of power in a foreign country even if they were there legally. There is no way the FBI can get help from the Japanese authorities while they are illegally investigating in the country.

Ever hear of Extradition and International Warrants? I sure if the need arose they could get one.  And I am sure Scar will appear again.

Even if the FBI had solid grounds to convince a judge that scar Akai deserved to be extradited to the US, which as Abs. pointed out the FBI don't have, the FBI asking for a warrant in their situation would be like you trying to get a job by breaking into a CEO's office, rummaging through her stuff, and when the CEO enters her office the next morning, you are sitting in her chair waiting to hand her your resume. It's not going to work and will result in criminal prosecution against you.

User 4869 already discussed this part, but I'll go for it too.

Second: The way Jodie is acting suggest that Akai said nothing to her about faking him death. I believe there is a good chance in this case that if Akai liked her enough, he would have hinted that. That could be proof of his being dead. It could also be a case of 'wanting REAL emotion', though if true seem to be mean, and I do not think Akai would be that mean.

It's true that Jodie's reaction to scar Akai shows that she doesn't know that the real Akai is alive. The reason for this is because Akai is using a "fool your friends to fool your enemies" tacticagain, just like he did when he didn't tell Jodie of the rest of the FBI about the plan to allow Kir to be recaptured from the three vans. (605.4) The problem is that this is not evidence of Akai being dead, only evidence that Jodie doesn't know if Akai is alive. Regarding Akai hinting that he is still alive to her if he truly loved her, Akai has already dumped Jodie for the sake of work once -dating Akemi to enter the BO- and may have left a hint to Jodie in the form of Jodie's drink coaster with a warning message.

Third: Scar already showed himself to the FBI and Jodie. Why do it again?

The first time the target was Jodie, the second time the target was Camel.

Could be by chance though very unlikey, also normally if a person calls you something and they are facing you, you would reply with 'I'm sorry. I'm not him' or 'I've never heard of that name'. Running away can be explained away once or twice as not hearing. When he shows a third, he better say something. (or see above - warrant time)

Scar Akai is making himself suspicious by playing the mute amnesiac. So what? He already accomplished what he needed to do by getting a reaction from the FBI agent he approached. As I pointed out above, Bourbon can't have a warrant put on him. The FBI can try to capture him illegally like they planned to do with Vermouth, but as long as scar Akai approaches only one to two FBI agents at a time and chooses to appear in public locations where the crowds prevent the FBI from using force to capture him, the FBI are SOL.

Looked up info on the FBI fbi.gov

It turns out the FBI CAN arrest you in other countries if you are an American citizen in an international country doing illegal crimes in that country. Vermouth is probably an American citizen (possibly) so they were going to arrest her in the country because she's doing something illegal in Japan, but she is the "property" of America. The only people they couldn't arrest were the criminals in the BO that are Japanese citizens unless they cross US border, or interfere even with international trade, and smuggle things in illegally. Or they hack into websites from international gateways online. If a Japanese citizen murders a US citizen, that's a stickier situation, and more then likely, the Federal Police will be involved and with permission, can arrest the murderer.

Realistically, the FBI wouldn't come into Japan without contacting the Japanese locals. But this is Gosho's world of mystery, and it seems the cops are dense, the BO is too good for them.

This what I got from the website on when they can arrest someone.

National Security Priorities Criminal Priorities

1. Counterterrorism
• International Terrorism
• Domestic Terrorism
• Weapons of Mass Destruction
2. Counterintelligence
• Counterespionage
• Counterproliferation
• Economic Espionage

3. Cyber Crime
• Computer Intrusions
• Online Predators
• Piracy/Intellectual Property Theft
• Internet Fraud

4. Public Corruption
• Government Fraud
• Election Fraud
• Foreign Corrupt Practices

5. Civil Rights
• Hate Crime
• Human Trafficking
• Color of Law
• Freedom of Access to Clinics

6. Organized Crime
• Italian Mafia/LCN
• Eurasian
• Balkan
• Middle Eastern
• Asian
• African
• Sports Bribery

7. White-Collar Crime
• Antitrust
• Bankruptcy Fraud
• Corporate/Securities Fraud
• Health Care Fraud
• Identity Theft
• Insurance Fraud
• Money Laundering
• Mortgage Fraud
• Telemarketing Fraud
• More White-Collar Frauds

8. Major Thefts/Violent Crime
• Art Theft
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

Also, the FBI has more than 50 international offices called "legal attachés" in U.S. embassies worldwide. So they don't need to send you to America to interrogate you. They possibly have an embassy in Japan to do so.

I guess no one read that. I also know what I'm talking about sometimes.  ::)

Basically all the CIA are are spies. They have no authorization to arrest anyone. They gather info (hence the "I" for intelligence" meaning they gather the "intelligence" or info, and they send it back to it's native country, in this case USA. Both can be sent internationally. But the CIA has freer range to do so. The FBI can only do so if it is international terrorism, cyber crimes or hacking from international bases into national computer websites/programs, or if a US citizen commits a crime overseas, or a foreign person commits a crime towards a USA citizen.

My guess is the reason they are in Japan is Vermouth is a USA citizen, and it's pretty obvious they suspect she is involved in International crime. Also the BO is involved with terrorism (as when they threatened to bomb the hospital) and the BO have hacked into several computer programming. Yea, thats why the FBI are there. And the CIA is there simply to gather information. The president requests them to get involved. They spy on all the foreigners, and advise local policymakers of the next move to make. CIA can be sent whether there was a crime committed or not. They get sent simply if the US president suspects anything. FBI get sent only if there is a crime.

Which is unrealistic if the CIA is involved and the local police know nothing about it.
This is also the reason I feel there is a BO base there. Especially because Ai was sent there to study and I'm sure it was probably one of their facility owned schools.

FBI probably don't know about the CIA because many of the CIA agents are not continuous. They are selected among police officers or FBI to investigate, depending on skill and knowledge. FBI is like the National police, so they are set in the job. CIA is not really a "set" people. It can be a new person every time doing the investigating.

My guess as to how the FBI can be their is that they were given an "invite" or were given permission to investigate in Japan by someone high up enough for an investigation to be done on the sly. The local police could have simply not been told that their was an active FBI investigation going on because it was necessary for it to be as discrete as possible. The need for such a level of discretion could be for any number of reasons. Though I'm not going to say that any of them will make sense or be at all rational.

[CaseClosed101]

(In re: to above post)  Took out your spoiler box, because spoiler boxes in spoiler boxes don't work - Abs.

No. I think the CIA/FBI came to Japan on thier own accounts.