Detective Conan Movie 14! (The Lost Ship in the Sky) Discuss

[1Kaito]

I came into this not expecting much and I was not disappointed. A brief summary of what I didn't like:

-The bullet dodging got completely ridiculous. Yes, this is not real, but a degree of realism is always nice. Having one or two scenes where someone dodges bullets from a handgun is ok- having several umpteen where someone is basically impervious to bullets just removes any semblance of tension. For an example of bullet dodging done right, see the end of Movie 3, for an example of it done badly, but still somewhat better, see Movie 13. What's going on here is basically Jedi-Conan and that's not interesting at all.
-The bacteria was a painfully obvious misdirect. In the Conan world, it is very rare for a large number of people to actually be at risk; add to that the blowing up of the research area and the fact that some people get 'infected' (the last is relevant because in Conan, someone who doesn't die immediately almost never dies) and it's clear that something else was going on.
-Conan's plan for victory was ridiculous. Though I can get over it being unrealistic (flying cars and all), it seems insanely unsafe and unreliable (a lot of the hostages and all of the villains could have been killed or injured). Given that Conan is able to dodge bullets at ease, wouldn't it be easier for him to knock out the boss and then deal with the lackeys?
-The Big Boss not actually being the Big Boss was too obvious.
-The whole plot has an insanely Rube-Goldberg-esque feel to it. If you have a bunch of highly trained mercenaries and criminals at your beck and call, surely there are easier ways to steal the Nara Buddhas than the ridiculous airship plot.
-Haibara getting caught talking by the accomplice. That wasn't really bad, just dumb. Apparently, Conan's warning bounced right off her head.
-Conan was even more careless than usual. Going up to smoke out the Big Boss before he had made sure that there were no other accomplices on board was dumb (he didn't follow his own advice).
-There wasn't actually a mystery. Shouldn't Conan movies at least have some mystery and not be all cliched action sequences?

Pros
-The goat.

Too much criticizing. Just enjoy.

[Jd-]

I came into this not expecting much and I was not disappointed. A brief summary of what I didn't like:

-The bullet dodging got completely ridiculous. Yes, this is not real, but a degree of realism is always nice. Having one or two scenes where someone dodges bullets from a handgun is ok- having several umpteen where someone is basically impervious to bullets just removes any semblance of tension. For an example of bullet dodging done right, see the end of Movie 3, for an example of it done badly, but still somewhat better, see Movie 13. What's going on here is basically Jedi-Conan and that's not interesting at all.
-The bacteria was a painfully obvious misdirect. In the Conan world, it is very rare for a large number of people to actually be at risk; add to that the blowing up of the research area and the fact that some people get 'infected' (the last is relevant because in Conan, someone who doesn't die immediately almost never dies) and it's clear that something else was going on.
-Conan's plan for victory was ridiculous. Though I can get over it being unrealistic (flying cars and all), it seems insanely unsafe and unreliable (a lot of the hostages and all of the villains could have been killed or injured). Given that Conan is able to dodge bullets at ease, wouldn't it be easier for him to knock out the boss and then deal with the lackeys?
-The Big Boss not actually being the Big Boss was too obvious.
-The whole plot has an insanely Rube-Goldberg-esque feel to it. If you have a bunch of highly trained mercenaries and criminals at your beck and call, surely there are easier ways to steal the Nara Buddhas than the ridiculous airship plot.
-Haibara getting caught talking by the accomplice. That wasn't really bad, just dumb. Apparently, Conan's warning bounced right off her head.
-Conan was even more careless than usual. Going up to smoke out the Big Boss before he had made sure that there were no other accomplices on board was dumb (he didn't follow his own advice).
-There wasn't actually a mystery. Shouldn't Conan movies at least have some mystery and not be all cliched action sequences?

Pros
-The goat.

Too much criticizing. Just enjoy.

...Wut?

[kkslider5552000]

I came into this not expecting much and I was not disappointed. A brief summary of what I didn't like:

-The bullet dodging got completely ridiculous. Yes, this is not real, but a degree of realism is always nice. Having one or two scenes where someone dodges bullets from a handgun is ok- having several umpteen where someone is basically impervious to bullets just removes any semblance of tension. For an example of bullet dodging done right, see the end of Movie 3, for an example of it done badly, but still somewhat better, see Movie 13. What's going on here is basically Jedi-Conan and that's not interesting at all.
-The bacteria was a painfully obvious misdirect. In the Conan world, it is very rare for a large number of people to actually be at risk; add to that the blowing up of the research area and the fact that some people get 'infected' (the last is relevant because in Conan, someone who doesn't die immediately almost never dies) and it's clear that something else was going on.
-Conan's plan for victory was ridiculous. Though I can get over it being unrealistic (flying cars and all), it seems insanely unsafe and unreliable (a lot of the hostages and all of the villains could have been killed or injured). Given that Conan is able to dodge bullets at ease, wouldn't it be easier for him to knock out the boss and then deal with the lackeys?
-The Big Boss not actually being the Big Boss was too obvious.
-The whole plot has an insanely Rube-Goldberg-esque feel to it. If you have a bunch of highly trained mercenaries and criminals at your beck and call, surely there are easier ways to steal the Nara Buddhas than the ridiculous airship plot.
-Haibara getting caught talking by the accomplice. That wasn't really bad, just dumb. Apparently, Conan's warning bounced right off her head.
-Conan was even more careless than usual. Going up to smoke out the Big Boss before he had made sure that there were no other accomplices on board was dumb (he didn't follow his own advice).
-There wasn't actually a mystery. Shouldn't Conan movies at least have some mystery and not be all cliched action sequences?

Pros
-The goat.

Too much criticizing. Just enjoy.

...Wut?

was misspelling "what" for irony?

Anyway I agree, it was silly fun and more entertaining than half the stuff Gosho does nowadays, enjoy stuff, get nostalgia goggles off etc etc.

[dilbertschalter]

I came into this not expecting much and I was not disappointed. A brief summary of what I didn't like:

-The bullet dodging got completely ridiculous. Yes, this is not real, but a degree of realism is always nice. Having one or two scenes where someone dodges bullets from a handgun is ok- having several umpteen where someone is basically impervious to bullets just removes any semblance of tension. For an example of bullet dodging done right, see the end of Movie 3, for an example of it done badly, but still somewhat better, see Movie 13. What's going on here is basically Jedi-Conan and that's not interesting at all.
-The bacteria was a painfully obvious misdirect. In the Conan world, it is very rare for a large number of people to actually be at risk; add to that the blowing up of the research area and the fact that some people get 'infected' (the last is relevant because in Conan, someone who doesn't die immediately almost never dies) and it's clear that something else was going on.
-Conan's plan for victory was ridiculous. Though I can get over it being unrealistic (flying cars and all), it seems insanely unsafe and unreliable (a lot of the hostages and all of the villains could have been killed or injured). Given that Conan is able to dodge bullets at ease, wouldn't it be easier for him to knock out the boss and then deal with the lackeys?
-The Big Boss not actually being the Big Boss was too obvious.
-The whole plot has an insanely Rube-Goldberg-esque feel to it. If you have a bunch of highly trained mercenaries and criminals at your beck and call, surely there are easier ways to steal the Nara Buddhas than the ridiculous airship plot.
-Haibara getting caught talking by the accomplice. That wasn't really bad, just dumb. Apparently, Conan's warning bounced right off her head.
-Conan was even more careless than usual. Going up to smoke out the Big Boss before he had made sure that there were no other accomplices on board was dumb (he didn't follow his own advice).
-There wasn't actually a mystery. Shouldn't Conan movies at least have some mystery and not be all cliched action sequences?

Pros
-The goat.

To much critizing. Just enjoy.

What if I find criticizing enjoyable? The movie was decent enough to watch, but it was a bad movie. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be watched, or that it is the doom of DC, just that it is actually bad and worse than most other DC movies, if better than a couple.

[Jd-]

was misspelling "what" for irony?

Spoiler:

[Dashin]

Oh, my god!! Why am I still expecting this movies to make any sense? There were so many badly wrong things happening in this movie than it hurt. On top of the topics that were already mentioned:

- What was that kid's point in this movie? I mean Satoshi. Were they just promoting the seiyuu like they did in the last one with Breakerz's singer? Ridiculous.
- Why was the homicide department from Tokyo involved in a hijack/kidnap/bombing case?
- Why do they take the effort of thinking up such a ridiculously (and pointlesly) complicated plot, and at the same time make it so easy to figure out?
- What some of you praised, I found plain boring. They just needed to fill up the movie with every fanboy-ism thing?
- The thing with Ran and Kid was such a huge marketing gimmick! Sonoko just happened to make that stupid bandaids (WTF, why band-aids??), and kid just happened to be there and hurt himself before Ran, and then for some stupid reason he decided to switch disguises, while keeping the band-aid, and then he just happened to be listening Conan tell a secret only he and Ran would know (and he decided to memorize it, just in case it could become handy)... etc, etc, etc... then they just forgot about the whole thing, until the very last second, and gave it a stupid resolution. Kid gropes her ass and she doesn't kick him in the nuts... why would Ran say she doesn't like Shinichi to Conan, when she had already explained to him all the reasons why she loves his ass?

The thing was very good in the technical aspects. The CG was good, the animation, music, etc. Besides that, it was plain stupid.

[1Kaito]

Again... too much criticizing (@Jd-:  ) and not enough enjoying.

[dilbertschalter]

If something is bad it should be criticized. No reason to have sacred cows.

[1Kaito]

If something is bad, it should be criticized. No reason to have sacred cows.

Not everything needs to be criticized. Besides I know and have seen a whole bunch of people who thought the movie was great. If you criticize too much, you'll never enjoy anything.

[dilbertschalter]

If something is bad, it should be criticized. No reason to have sacred cows.

Not everything needs to be criticized. Besides I know and have seen a whole bunch of people who thought the movie was great. If you criticize too much, you'll never enjoy anything.

Movies, however, are something that should be criticized. Also, I'm not saying that no one can enjoy this movie. All I'm doing is, to use an egregious cliche, "keeping it real".

[Vylash]

Oh, my god!! Why am I still expecting this movies to make any sense? There were so many badly wrong things happening in this movie than it hurt. On top of the topics that were already mentioned:

- What was that kid's point in this movie? I mean Satoshi. Were they just promoting the seiyuu like they did in the last one with Breakerz's singer? Ridiculous.
- Why was the homicide department from Tokyo involved in a hijack/kidnap/bombing case?
- Why do they take the effort of thinking up such a ridiculously (and pointlesly) complicated plot, and at the same time make it so easy to figure out?
- What some of you praised, I found plain boring. They just needed to fill up the movie with every fanboy-ism thing?
- The thing with Ran and Kid was such a huge marketing gimmick! Sonoko just happened to make that stupid bandaids (WTF, why band-aids??), and kid just happened to be there and hurt himself before Ran, and then for some stupid reason he decided to switch disguises, while keeping the band-aid, and then he just happened to be listening Conan tell a secret only he and Ran would know (and he decided to memorize it, just in case it could become handy)... etc, etc, etc... then they just forgot about the whole thing, until the very last second, and gave it a stupid resolution. Kid gropes her ass and she doesn't kick him in the nuts... why would Ran say she doesn't like Shinichi to Conan, when she had already explained to him all the reasons why she loves his ass?

The thing was very good in the technical aspects. The CG was good, the animation, music, etc. Besides that, it was plain stupid.

^

If something is bad it should be criticized. No reason to have sacred cows.

agreed

[Freyr]

At the end of the day, as with any movie, just ask yourself "Was it fun? Was it worth my time to watch?" If you answer no to that, then easy to say "no, that wasn't worth it and here is why." If you answer yes to that, it fulfilled its duty as a form of entertainment. Not all movies are going to be masterpieces in every aspect, just have to decide if the overall feeling at the end was satisfactory.

Basically just saying expect there to be things to not like or agree with, but make your judgement based off the entirety and not the individual elements. The experience is the collection of the clips, and not the clips themselves.

Just my $.02. Was the movie perfect? No. Did I enjoy it like every other DC movie? Yes.

[Kogorou]

I love the movie.
Even thought Kogorou (and Ai) came a little short in my opinion. Okay the plot wouldn't have worked if kogorou weren't asleep but still. GO KOGOROU!!!
I felt so sorry for Ai when she got slapped. That basterds were totally overdoing it. Slapping a little girl is not fair!

There were that much good scenes that I can barely take time to write about them now.
Of course the Moment where Kogorou finally got some action only one move but hey! I know he's the master :=)

But who else figured out who the real culprit was?

My most wtf moment was the end... every second of the ending I tried to avoid the thought that Ran really believed that Kaito is Shinichi. Kaito no bakka!!!!
I could have cried when I saw her expression. She looked so damn sad.
But as Kaito said "That's what a thief does. Stealing. Even if it's a womans heart" I just prayed that there would be a way out of it. Okay it was a little bit too short but okay.
Conan/Shinichi was totally clueless at the end. Just brilliant.

Before you start saying "You just love it because..."
No there were bad parts too.
The plot was kinda brillant lame eveything was solved in a more of less stupid way.
But we have to see:
It's a movie it doesn't really have anything to do with the Mangaplot. So some mistakes are okay.
At least I hoped that Ran would slap Kaito hard for "that". But poorly it never happened.
The lack of some characters were the most silly thing. Ai could have played a big role and Kogorou even a much bigger one (yeah flame me for liking that old man).
At the end Kaito didn't take the jewel so why was he there? He could have got it very easily.
And that just some of my points but I don't want to talk about the bad parts. The good parts where just way more interesting.

~Kogorou

[kkslider5552000]

was misspelling "what" for irony?

Spoiler:

you're doing it wrong

Spoiler:

also don't worry guys, unlike last time, you aren't definitively wrong if you hate the movie

[Kogorou]

was misspelling "what" for irony?

Spoiler:

you're doing it wrong

Spoiler:

also don't worry guys, unlike last time, you aren't definitively wrong if you hate the movie

Made my day