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Postby dilbertschalter » October 28th, 2010, 11:22 pm

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Introuble wrote:I wasn't hating on her at all Jd-. She's a really good person and we all know that. I was just explaining to 1Kaito that it was natural for her to criticize things. It's like....I dunno, getting mad at a bird for flying. And that's what I was explaining to 1Kaito. Relax, she does it all the time. You made your point, more people loved the movie than hated it. That's all.


Don't assume emotion where there is none. For judging Dilbert so haphazardly simply for challenging what you perceive as the established order, I think you should likely relax a bit. If everyone's opinion is valuable, why downplay his as if it's of less value simple because he isn't in what you believe is the majority? If that's how you have to reassure yourself, that's fine, but I don't think that's exactly the most respectful way to approach a fellow forum member.

I'm also about 99% sure Dilbert is a guy... unless he already underwent that operation, in which case it's in limbo.


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Postby Introuble » October 28th, 2010, 11:25 pm

I wasn't downplaying his opinion, I know that a lot of people as well hated the movie as shown in this topic. And I NEVER had the intention to hurt anyones feelings and I'm sorry if it came out that way. But I didn't, my post was merely dedicated to cooling 1Kaito down. Dilbert's a great guy and I thought that no one would be offended if I called her a critic because she is. And I think she's proud of that.  :-\

- Female avatars make me....ye...sorry lol. (Jd- you didn't quote my modified post in the previous page. I explained a couple more things in that post.)
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Postby dilbertschalter » October 28th, 2010, 11:31 pm

Introuble wrote:I wasn't downplaying his opinion, I know that a lot of people as well hated the movie as shown in this topic. And I NEVER had the intention to hurt anyones feelings and I'm sorry if it came out that way. But I didn't, my post was merely dedicated to cooling 1Kaito down. Dilbert's a great guy and I thought that no one would be offended if I called her a critic because she is. And I think she's proud of that.  :-\

- Female avatars make me....ye...sorry lol.


Also, I have no problem being called grumpy. I always try to be evenhanded, but I can be pretty negative at times.

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CoolKid3 wrote:And I wasn't disappointed with Skateboard scene because as early as Movie 4, Conan had a WTF moment with a villain with the Soda Can thing...

speaking of which, shame on anyone who didn't like this movie but can somehow defend the god awful climax of movie 4.


Now here is a subject where I agree with you! As I put it in one of the contest threads, "apparently the writers went on a break around 1:20 and never came back."
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Postby Chekhov MacGuffin » October 28th, 2010, 11:32 pm

kkslider5552000 wrote:
CoolKid3 wrote:And I wasn't disappointed with Skateboard scene because as early as Movie 4, Conan had a WTF moment with a villain with the Soda Can thing...

speaking of which, shame on anyone who didn't like this movie but can somehow defend the god awful climax of movie 4.
The movie 4 climax wasn't that bad. The amnesia plot was gimmicky, but that's most anime movies for you. Sure the guy could and should have opened fire anyway, but I thought the scene was somewhat redeemed for having multiple Chekhov's guns go off (soda can, fountain, countdown). I was bit appalled by Conan's ball not popping/something not tearing on the blimp. Also the scene felt a bit anticlimactic after the takedown of everyone else earlier. Movie 4 built up to the climax better in my opinion.
All in all Movie 14 doesn't stand out from the pack for me. I think they could have restructured the movie a bit and done more with the Kaito-Ran thing.
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Postby Introuble » October 28th, 2010, 11:35 pm

Also, I have no problem being called grumpy. I always try to be evenhanded, but I can be pretty negative at times.

Phew, I thought you'd be pissed. I never had the intentions of provoking you, that post of mine was solely dedicated to cooling Kaito1 down.
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Postby dilbertschalter » October 28th, 2010, 11:40 pm

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
kkslider5552000 wrote:
CoolKid3 wrote:And I wasn't disappointed with Skateboard scene because as early as Movie 4, Conan had a WTF moment with a villain with the Soda Can thing...

speaking of which, shame on anyone who didn't like this movie but can somehow defend the god awful climax of movie 4.
The movie 4 climax wasn't that bad. The amnesia plot was gimmicky, but that's most anime movies for you. Sure the guy could and should have opened fire anyway, but I thought the scene was somewhat redeemed for having multiple Chekhov's guns go off (soda can, fountain, countdown). I was bit appalled by Conan's ball not popping/something not tearing on the blimp. Also the scene felt a bit anticlimactic after the takedown of everyone else earlier. Movie 4 built up to the climax better in my opinion.
All in all Movie 14 doesn't stand out from the pack for me. I think they could have restructured the movie a bit and done more with the Kaito-Ran thing.


The idea that the confrontation/fountain cleared up Ran's amnesia instantly is even sillier than the ball not popping (both are completely unrealistic, but physical unrealism is very common in DC). The not opening fire thing is also fairly silly given the ruthlessly and efficiency of the killer, as well as the fact that they in a semi-public place (the killer's delay is more believable in 14 and in 2 to name another) Also, while it is nice that there was a buildup (as opposed to the builddown of 14), the endless running around Tropical Land got tedious. The movie as a whole was leagues ahead of 14, but that doesn't change the poor setup of the climax.
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Postby Freyr » October 28th, 2010, 11:56 pm

Jd- wrote:
The movies are big budget productions and, unlike the AOs, have to withstand a certain level of criticism because they are very self-contained products that are meant to be bigger and better--it's the point. When people don't see them as bigger and better, well... reverse criticism shouldn't be levied at them simply for applying objectivity to the movie in question and not getting caught up in preconceptions.


They may be big budget unlike AOs, but they are still outside the realm of Gosho's cannon for the series. Aside from some transitions like Shiratori, AOs and Movies are still self contained. In a way, AOs have a luxury of being short and simple wheres the Movies have to be big and explosive to do well. Since they can't do anything that will actually affect the plot, they need to do other things to make it enjoyable. The direction that takes (like the bullet dodging) may not be the best route, the movies have to rely on things like stunts or fan services to do well. Personally, I like that the movies tend to shuffle the mystery to the backseat and bring action to the forefront. It is a change of pace, adds something different, instead of just being a hour and a half isolated mystery that has no character or plot development.

I see it as:
1)Gosho cases (manga and anime adaptation): Plot and/or Character development can occur and often do.
2)Anime original cases: Character attachment can occur (simply seeing more of [insert character here] to understand and like more of them)
3)Movies: Same as above, but with a much longer time and larger budget (and also more cost).

Nothing that happens in 2 or 3 has any bearing and that can show. Take a look at the first 5 seasons of Detective Conan, there is almost no plot development. If it had continued like that (No Haibara, no reintroduction to BO etc), it would not have survived a decade and a half. AOs and Movies are kinda like that mentality, just kinda static noise. Movies rely on the gimmicks to make they unique and worth watching, AOs do a short inconsequential mystery. Good to be critical of the movies, but should also analyze if without some of the cheesiness, does the movie even work. Without touching plot or character development, is there another way to make it thrilling to the masses? Yes probably, what, I don't know.

I'm happy with fun memorable scenes from the movies (ie 19th century London, driving car off a roof, opening minutes of Raven Chaser, Conan getting thrown out of a zeppelin, KaitoXGoat...). My prediction will be that the Anime will do the conclusion of Detective Conan as a big final movie. It would be a huge cash cow to see the final conclusion to the story on the big screen.
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Postby Akonyl » October 29th, 2010, 12:38 am

Conia wrote:Has it been explained why Megure changes the color of his suit in the movies?

I would guess that he changes it, as silly as it may sound, in order to give the movie a more "serious" tone, much like war games like using grays on everything. It may also just be me, but it sounded like megure's VA was also using a more serious "movie" voice than he uses in the show itself.
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Postby Commi-Ninja » October 29th, 2010, 12:55 am

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On another note, I think there needs to be an FBI-related movie.  :P
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Postby kkslider5552000 » October 29th, 2010, 1:55 am

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kkslider5552000 wrote:A twist on what already was a cool story idea (that I could have seen actually happening even in the manga)


Hmmm... Really? I dunno about that...

Yes it really would. If they could find a good explanation for the "Kid says he is Shinichi" stuff it wouldn't be too difficult. Get rid of everyone not originally on the blimp (and Agasa and the DB), have a murder case involving blimp stuff instead of bioterrorism as the thing that unexpectedly happens during the trip and have the Ran and Kid stuff as a subplot happening during all of this and it could really work. I mean the first guy to get "sick" seemed like a normal "is gonna be killed soon" jerk and there would have been 3 suspects.
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Postby doublemoonlight » October 29th, 2010, 6:41 am

question: am I the only one who thought Conan SHOULD have died after reciving headshot from the REAL boss? ???
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Postby Kogorou » October 29th, 2010, 6:43 am

I didn't thought he should die but I was convinced that he should have been hurt.
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Postby doublemoonlight » October 29th, 2010, 6:45 am

well they should have made that conan should at least attempt to get away from the bullet
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Postby Kor » October 29th, 2010, 7:01 am

doublemoonlight wrote:well they should have made that conan should at least attempt to get away from the bullet


You see, this is actually an interesting point. Earlier, Conan the action hero managed to dodge from a hundred of bullets, and then when it comes to the end against that boss, it seems ridiculous that he couldn't dodge from three more bullets. What? Did Conan come to him without expecting him to have a gun? Was there kryptonite in the area, so Conan couldn't have used his super powers in that scene?
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Postby Kogorou » October 29th, 2010, 7:06 am

I think we will never know or we should ask the producers.

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