Detective Conan Movie 14! (The Lost Ship in the Sky) Discuss

[Freyr]

That kid watches way to much tele.

As far as the Tokyo Homicide police being involved, I don't find it being much of a stretch. With the "theft" of the bacteria taking place in a Tokyo laboratory, it puts the starting point within their jurisdiction. Then, because of the nature of the bacteria, there is a national bio-terrorism threat (and utilizing the name of a former terrorist group to gain notoriety). I would expect the majority of the police department to be deployed in that case: homicide in particular as it falls in the major crimes category.

tl;dr - Its believable that a terrorist threat would put the entirety of the country's police on high alert, and utilize all available resources, especially major crimes.

[scineram]

Heiji and Kazuha had the important role of being from Osaka, the destination.

Otherwise it was surprisingly good, compared to the previous movie anyway.

[Annet]

I'm surprised no one mentioned the extra Soccer ball Conan had!!!?? He used it up on the first "Boss" then he managed to inflate another one for the end!?

I mentioned this in my other post. It really stuck me as odd, and as c-square said, the writers probably just slipped up. But it's more fun to think that Agasa reloaded it or something

Also, that soccer ball should have popped under the bridge!

[Sakina]

Conan was thrown out of the window. 




Best.



Scene.




Ever.

[Read and Gold Phoenix]

You know what this movie lacked?

....HELICOPTER S*X   

:3

[dilbertschalter]

You know what this movie lacked?

....HELICOPTER S*X    

:3

What's Helicopter Six?

[Tanner-kun]

Conan was thrown out of the window. 




Best.



Scene.




Ever.

I agree, i want to make a gif but it could be a spoiler to some people.

[Kor]

Before reading what others have written, here are my thoughts.

I have VERY mixed feelings regarding this movie. They took the action to a whole new ridiculous level (bullets and all that).
The "airship" music was awfully annoying after a while. I also have to shake my head regarding the decisions they made with the music. You can't just jump like that from an action music to that calm "airship" music in a mere second. Not only that they felt unrelated on so many levels, it felt like they were informing us "ok kids, action is over"
Remember that the series this movie is based on is called Detective Conan? Because I think some of the writers of this movie forgot. In the anime/manga, we expect a lot of mystery, some romance and very little action (usually). In movies (until this one), while there was more action and romance, the mystery was still somehow the point. In this movie however? 5%-10% mystery at most. Half way through the film I asked myself "wait, how come nobody is dead yet? No one is going to die? Is there a hidden mystery here that I don't know about?"
I suppose that what was intended as a mystery was the intention of the group, and the hidden leader. However it all got downplayed and forgotten because of the "OMG ACTION BULLETS".

The mystery itself was pretty solveable along the way, and with the small hints (and sometimes big), I managed to solve most of it, so it wasn't that bad, though some stuff was too obvious.
Kaito Kid was fun (he's much more fun in the movies than in the manga). Too bad that Kaito Kid doesn't have an anime, since the writers obviously tried to have action all over the place, and Kaito Kid's series has much more potential for action (at least like the unrealisticly acrobatically stunts that Conan did). I'd be much more satisfied watching a Kaito Kid action movie than a Conan action movie.
The KidRan plot was played very well.
And.....dunno. I can't recall everything at the moment.

Once again I have to ask why do the writers feel like they MUST use ALL the characters from Gosho's material. If they have no use for characters, yet they still put them inside, but then give them a slap or sleeping pills, so what's the point? Quality is better than quantity. A good movie doesn't have to have ALL the freaking cast in order to be good.

I wonder though about the kid who was with Kazuha and Heiji. It feels like the writers introduced him for a reason. Maybe he will be important for the next film? (A crack theory from me: he was kinda smart for his age, so he is another victim of the APTX and is somehow related to the B.O.!).

[skyechan]

Personally I loved the movie, and not just because it had Kid in it.  Ignoring the fact there was no real mystery persay to speak of, just a potential crisis, it was a very enjoyable experience.  I didn't have too high expectations coming into it, just that Kid will be in it and he will somehow be awesome.

Random thoughts in no particular order:

-Prologue: "You've heard the story and learned about the gadgets 5 million times, screw it.  Here's a recap of Jirokichi and some people that are only gonna be in this movie."

-For some reason Conan's taking down of the Cats in the center of the airship reminded me vaguely of the traps set by Kevin from Home Alone.  I don't know why.  Something about young kids (well, shrunk in Shin'ichi's case) having a plan to take down criminals in a closed environment.

-Liked the writer's twist on making Ran believe Kid is actually Shin'ichi.  (Although Kid x Goat is totally the new crack pairing.)

-Kid actually took the jewel after barely having to lift a finger or doing any magic.  Awesome.  "Ohhai, I'm gonna take this now. kthxbai."

-Kid?  REACT QUICKER WHEN SOMEONE'S THROWN OUT A WINDOW.  Seriously, yikes.  Poor Conan.  Wonder if he'll gain a new fear of heights from that experience.

-Nice plot twist with having a leader behind the leader.  (I just pray we don't ever have to deal with a DC movie directed by Shyamalan.  "And the plot twist is: Ran's an alien and Shin'ichi was dead the whole time!  Oh, and trees are trying to kill us.")

-Why on Earth didn't the soccer ball pop under the bridge?  Sheesh.

-Skateboard scene = epic win.

-Conan really got major use out of the Suspenders this time around, didn't he?

-Cats = Got their training from the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy.  Well, okay, Conan didn't go completely unscathed, but didn't only the leaders manage to get him?  The skateboard scene although epic made Conan seem able to dodge bullets like he was The One.

-Oh look, pervy Kid.  I was wondering when the heck your personality traits would make an appearance in DC.

[c-square]

You know what this movie lacked?

....HELICOPTER S*X    

:3

What's Helicopter Six?

No no, you've got it wrong, silly.  Read and Gold Phoenix was talking about Helecopter Sax.  It's a little known fact that Takagi plays a mean alto saxophone, which goes perfectly with Sato's expert skill in Bass playing. 

[CoolKid3]

Movie 14 was something I enjoyed from start to finish since Movie 6... Just a little bit of everything is good enough for me... and Movie 14 is so far the best Kid movie IMO...

And I wasn't disappointed with Skateboard scene because as early as Movie 4, Conan had a WTF moment with a villain with the Soda Can thing...

Also I learned not to expect so much after Movie13 (which was probably overhyped like the Miami Thrice opening game against the defending Eastern Conference Champs, the C's) so I did enjoy every bit of Movie 14 by just sitting back and enjoying the movie..

[kkslider5552000]

And I wasn't disappointed with Skateboard scene because as early as Movie 4, Conan had a WTF moment with a villain with the Soda Can thing...

speaking of which, shame on anyone who didn't like this movie but can somehow defend the god awful climax of movie 4.

[Jd-]

And 1Kaito, dilbert's always like that. She's a real good person and all but it's just her personality to criticize stuff. She even finds DC's plot (BO) weak and full of paper thin characters. But people are like that, you just have to respect other people's opinions. Don't worry, there more a LOT more people who enjoyed the movie than people who disliked it. I've been in other forums, chatrooms and everyone seems to love it.

This wasn't really necessary. Dilbert's one of the more prominent objective posters. Don't hate the player, please. The movies are big budget productions and, unlike the AOs, have to withstand a certain level of criticism because they are very self-contained products that are meant to be bigger and better--it's the point. When people don't see them as bigger and better, well... reverse criticism shouldn't be levied at them simply for applying objectivity to the movie in question and not getting caught up in preconceptions. I disagree with Dilbert's take on a few of the movies, but his posts have always been great reads. Let's not try to prevent them from happening!

All I can say about the consensus so far is that a very particular type of fan has enjoyed it tremendously. Other types, not nearly as much, but it was the same with Movie 13. There was a type of fan that really enjoyed it, and then a segment that did not. As for nonobjective statements like a "LOT more people" liking/disliking it, it's probably time to note the numbers game is irrelevant. As was the case with Movie 13, some people like the movies long before they actually see them simply based on the marketing. For 13, they marketed it as an epic clash with the Black Organization and people were losing their minds; proclaiming it as the best movie in their minds months before they would be able to see it (I thought 13 was a thoroughly underwhelming movie, personally). For 14, they marketed it as a Kid movie and a lot of people had decided it was their favorite movie before they actually saw it.

I'm not saying if it's a great movie, a bad movie, the best movie ever made, etc--I'm just saying you can't really put stock in the initial reaction to something like this that's had 9 months to be hyped beyond what it may be able to substantiate.

speaking of which, shame on anyone who didn't like this movie but can somehow defend the god awful climax of movie 4.

I'm just going to say now that everything in Movie 4 was better and more realistic than the ending to this. Whether it was "god awful" or not is up for debate, but the amnesia angle made Movie 4's ending really well developed.

[Introuble]

This wasn't really necessary. Dilbert's one of the more prominent objective posters. Don't hate the player, please.

I wasn't hating on her at all Jd-. She's a really good person and we all know that. I too, find her posts enjoyable and admire her for holding a DC contest which I followed closely. I was just explaining to 1Kaito that it was natural for her to criticize things and that he shouldn''t be pissed about it. It's like....I dunno, getting mad at a bird for flying. And that's what I was explaining to 1Kaito. Relax, she does it all the time. You made your point, more people loved the movie than hated it. That's all.

but it was the same with Movie 13. There was a type of fan that really enjoyed it

Haha, actually, I hate movie 13. Probably because the Black Organization failed to hit a kid with a gazillion bullets with a helicopter. Also, it took a lame slingshot stunt to send them flying away. And all the action scenes with the exception of the "Ran-Irish fight" were childish. The movie made new viewers think that that's how the BO acted in the series - childish and hasty. When it's not, the BO are for more darker, careful and definitely not childish at all in the series. Especially during the great Vermouth Arc.

And honestly, I was expecting a Movie 13-esque disappointment prior to this movie's release. The only reason why I liked the action scenes so much in this movie (With the exception of the home-alone skydeck scene and the big boss missing all his bullets) was due to the fact that it was placed in a more exciting scenery and was nicely executed making it enjoyable and believable through the Conan world standards (It's also a hunred times more believable than the previous movie 13  ). I did find the skateboard scene silly, but it was so much enjoyable that I didn't even care about comparing it to real life. It seemed like a perfectly normal Conan movie stunt imo. However, I hated the skydeck scene and this is one major con imo to the movie. But, the pros just outweighed the cons by soooo much that I could care less. It was a great movie, arguably the best. The lack of a case was very refreshing. However, I must admit that the rising action was more enjoyable than the climax itself.

[Jd-]

I wasn't hating on her at all Jd-. She's a really good person and we all know that. I was just explaining to 1Kaito that it was natural for her to criticize things. It's like....I dunno, getting mad at a bird for flying. And that's what I was explaining to 1Kaito. Relax, she does it all the time. You made your point, more people loved the movie than hated it. That's all.

Don't assume emotion where there is none. For judging Dilbert so haphazardly simply for challenging what you perceive as the established order, I think you should likely relax a bit. If everyone's opinion is valuable, why downplay his as if it's of less value simple because he isn't in what you believe is the majority? If that's how you have to reassure yourself, that's fine, but I don't think that's exactly the most respectful way to approach a fellow forum member.

I'm also about 99% sure Dilbert is a guy... unless he already underwent that operation, in which case it's in limbo.