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Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and Movi

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 9:32 pm
by tantei okuoku
A funimation forum poster recently said this
As to do all of you guys a favor who told me to ask, while I was volunteering at the Funimation booth at San Diego Comic-Con, I asked Adam Sheehan what the "real story behind the status of Case Closed" is. Oh, and Sheehan gave me his blessing to post this.

First off, Sheehan mentioned that this has been told many times before, from the ANN Cast to AnimeExpo (though probably not as extensive as he told me). He said he's answered this question over and over, but people are just not facing reality. FACE IT. Funimation is done with Conan as a TV series. There are no plans whatsoever to license more of the Conan TV series. It just isn't going to happen with Funimation.

Conan has been given THREE lives, and has failed them all miserably.
Life ONE: Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, and single DVDs. Single DVDs (3 episodes) with Conan were a miserable failure, and in hindsight that's completely obvious for a series that had around 500 episodes (at the time). Coupled with it being a kids show on Adult Swim at 5:30 am (at some times), it was just not a good fit. (Though I did meet a kid whose mom told me at the Funi booth that her son would wake up at 5:30 just to watch Conan. You rock!)
Life ONE and a half: Case 1 and 2/3 were released with 6 episodes each (outside of 1.1). This didn't work either.
Life TWO: Season sets with 25-27 episodes. This also failed.
Life THREE: Viridian season sets. This also failed.

Failed as in meet expectations. The licensing fees and marketing money put into Conan were a lot, and the sales in return didn't come close to meeting expectations (and likely recur costs). Sheehan could not give me numbers, but let's just say they were bad. Conan has a TON of rabid fans, but there aren't enough casual fans (e.g. Kenichi) that push sales along. And you have to consider that many of the "fans" don't even buy the DVDs.

So how about the movies? Life FOUR? The movies sold well, according to Sheehan. Funimation may go after movies, for the sheer reason that the story is in the box and there's not as much backstory you NEED to keep going. Movies overall sell better than a series, especially a long running one.

So how about a simulcast? Not going to happen. Funimation wants to simulcast series that start at the beginning. Getting series in the middle are not likely, and One Piece only happened because it was actually Toei's idea.

So how about the Lupin vs Conan special? Specials are an option, notably this one since it has two fan bases to fuel sales.

Sheehan ranked it in terms of importance: Movies on top, right below are specials, and all the way on the bottom is the TV series.

I asked, "If the movies sell well, could that give birth to the series continuing?" Never say never in that case, but there would need to be a 10 TIMES sales increase (i.e. yeah right) for that to happen.

Sheehan summed it up with saying that the best hope for Conan is for the license to run out (and he could not tell me when that would be), and a smaller company with less overhead to pick it up (likely for subbed release). Section 23, NIS, and Nozomi were mentioned. He also mentioned that just like the Lupin license where ADV got the series and Funi had the movies that they could do the movies and have another company continue the series.

Thus, the case is closed on the Case Closed TV series. Stop this nonsense. It isn't going to happen.

Oh, and to top it off, I even asked Gen Fukunaga (as a joke, saying it half laughing). He, along with the entire Funi crew he was with (Adam Zaner, et. al.), laughed with me. "We wish."
So much to some peoples pleasure the Dub of the TV series has a 99% chance of being dead. out of the interested sub only people I would like it to be rightstuf/nozami since they would be fairly cheap versus S23 which would charge $50/60 dollars for a sub only and while I think NIS would do a good job with the show and would give us probably some nice art books and other bonus I know they would charge $60. also I emailed them when they first started and they thanked me  for my recommendation of conan and said they would consider it.  
also the simulcast fears that some people had should be calmed down since only S23/animenetwork or Crunchyroll could do it now.  
VIZ and Bandai do not seem at all interested in the series, and apparently it cost to much for media blasters to do.
I Really hope that we can show that there is  enough interest in the show for a subbed only dvd release schedule and that there is a solid fan base for the show.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 11:28 pm
by dilbertschalter
Probably should wrap it all in quote tags or provide a link just to be clear.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 11:53 pm
by Sherlock3
wow, honestly not at all surprised about this!!
it seemed pretty obvious that Funimation wasn't going to continue the series, but i guess the movies might still have a chance to keep going!! i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!!

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 27th, 2010, 11:55 pm
by Akemi~chan
if they do the movies i'll treasure movie 7 in english. because it'll be hilarious to watch them call a movie based on Heiji and call him Harley.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 12:11 am
by tantei okuoku
ok so I just added the quotes so does anyone have a preference as to which of the three studios that have shown interest in conan (hopefully) gets it

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 1:16 am
by GinRei
tantei okuoku wrote: ok so I just added the quotes so does anyone have a preference as to which of the three studios that have shown interest in conan (hopefully) gets it
Edited so it has actual quotes.  Tiny quotes won't be seen, and when there's a wonderful quote function on the board itself... why not use it?

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 2:02 am
by tantei okuoku
GinRei wrote:
tantei okuoku wrote: ok so I just added the quotes so does anyone have a preference as to which of the three studios that have shown interest in conan (hopefully) gets it
Edited so it has actual quotes.  Tiny quotes won't be seen, and when there's a wonderful quote function on the board itself... why not use it?
because the original post was not made on this board, thank you for putting it in quotes for me.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 3:10 am
by ranger
How come Viz doesn't want to take the series D: ? They do the English manga..

Nice post Tantei, thanks for the info - I knew it was a pipedream to wait for that illusive season 6, and to think back when I started the dubbed series, I said "I'll just wait until they release season 6 and pick the series back up".

Looking forward to when their license runs out, things should be quite interesting, DC on Crunchyroll...I can kind of see this happening

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 3:14 am
by Jd-
I thought about going and digging up every post I've made here over the past few years stating, explicitly, that FUNimation would never dub another episode of Conan but that the movies were not out of the question.

I think the point's been made by now, though. :-\

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 3:39 am
by Detective Prince
They really shouldn't Detective Conan doesn't make sense in English.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 3:45 am
by ranger
Detective Prince wrote: They really shouldn't Detective Conan doesn't make sense in English.
You should stop watching the subs then!

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 4:01 am
by Detective Prince
ranger wrote:
Detective Prince wrote: They really shouldn't Detective Conan doesn't make sense in English.
You should stop watching the subs then!
Lol I mean the word combinations they use and puns only japanese words can be used as. It would be too confusing if they spoke english. Not to mention most likely dissapointing. Conan's dubbed verse sounds like a 5 year old girl -__-I mean I know Conan's japanese voice actor is a girl but that doesn't mean the english one has to be lol

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 5:46 am
by tantei okuoku
ranger wrote: How come Viz doesn't want to take the series D: ? They do the English manga..

Nice post Tantei, thanks for the info - I knew it was a pipedream to wait for that illusive season 6, and to think back when I started the dubbed series, I said "I'll just wait until they release season 6 and pick the series back up".

Looking forward to when their license runs out, things should be quite interesting, DC on Crunchyroll...I can kind of see this happening
well Funimation said that they would never consider a simulcast for conan because they only pick up shows for simulcast when they start, one piece is the only one they would do that for because TOEI recommended it, and the show has been printing money for them. I could see conan on the crunchyroll library because it would be a odd fit for it, but I could see TMS being idiots and demanding way to much money for the series. anyway stock up on the VC sets now while they are still being made, you might want a back up copy as well just in case.
VIZ might not want the anime because it would be sub only and I am not sure if VIZ does sub only releases yet for anime. also they might not want to deal with TMS since I can not think of a TMS series that they have. they might be interested in it, however NIS, Rightstuf/Nazomi, and S23 where the ones specifically mentioned supposedly. so yes JD was right no season six dub. however our dub did get rather far into the TV count mostly VIA dvd sales and funimation licensing it for 5 seasons, and 6 movies. lets hope we can get up to movie 13 in the Dub. also now might be a good time to make a welcome to fansubs torrent for the dub fans who will just be starting to watch the fan subs of conan (probably about 50 episodes worth of good subs). lets hope someone gets the rights to seasons 6 and up of detective conan soon.  
Also vote on the new poll about who you would like to see do a Subbed only release of the Conan TV series.

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 9:43 am
by Akemi~chan
don't you think you should put this thread on the poll page?

Re: Lupin Vs Conan Via Funimation along with the OVA's, and

Posted: July 28th, 2010, 10:45 am
by GinRei
Detective Prince wrote: Lol I mean the word combinations they use and puns only japanese words can be used as. It would be too confusing if they spoke english. Not to mention most likely dissapointing. Conan's dubbed verse sounds like a 5 year old girl -__-I mean I know Conan's japanese voice actor is a girl but that doesn't mean the english one has to be lol
The episodes that require Japanese over English are only like once every 20 episodes.  Also, when was the last time you heard a 7 year old boy talk?  They don't sound like guys.  Their voices have cracked yet.
Akemi~chan wrote: don't you think you should put this thread on the poll page?
The poll was added after the initial thread was, and the thread itself is informative.  It makes more sense to leave it here.



As for which company I'd prefer get it... either Section23 or NISA.  NISA has a habit of putting interesting collectibles with their special edition releases, and while you'd have to pay MSRP instead of a discounted price, if the collectible were good enough it'd be worth it.  Section23 because, if it sold well enough early enough, it could potentially be given a dub (see: Clannad).  Hrmm, but NISA has demonstrated going to great lengths for customer satisfaction, as well as high quality encodes on their discs.  Hard to say.