Will it always be like that?

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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby Dwalin » May 29th, 2010, 5:55 pm

soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby Akonyl » May 29th, 2010, 6:01 pm

Dwalin wrote:
soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?

because you can't punish someone if they're dead. :P
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby Akemi~chan » May 29th, 2010, 6:22 pm

Akonyl wrote:
Dwalin wrote:
soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?

because you can't punish someone if they're dead. :P


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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby Nyarl » May 29th, 2010, 6:45 pm

Dwalin wrote:
soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?


According to Wiki, Japan has a pretty lenient system (though it does have the death penalty). Even those sentenced to life are often paroled after 15 years. Most of Conan's sympathetic murderers will probably get out in 5 years, or 3 if the crime wasn't premeditated. 5 years is hardly a merciless punishment.

Conan also won't force the issue if the victim survives to forgive the culprit. He's even gone so far as to lie to the police to protect a culprit from scrutiny after that culprit's suicide attempt (Idols' Secret)
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby soratothamax » May 29th, 2010, 7:07 pm

Nyarl wrote:
Dwalin wrote:
soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?


According to Wiki Japan has a pretty lenient system (though it does have the death penalty). Even those sentenced to life are often paroled after 15 years. Most of the Conan's sympathetic murderers will probably get out in 5 years, or 3 if the crime wasn't premeditated. 5 years is hardly a merciless punishment.

Conan also won't force the issue if the victim survives to forgive the culprit. He's even gone so far as to lie to the police to protect a culprit from scrutiny after that culprit's suicide attempt (Idols' Secret)



That's because the country of Japan has been known to have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, according to statistics. It has been honored as one of the best places to raise children. The highest crime rates are in Brazil and Russia. The U.S. comes in a good fourth place after Venezuela.
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby kkslider5552000 » May 29th, 2010, 8:33 pm

soratothamax wrote:It has been honored as one of the best places to raise children.

I'm not the only one who realizes the irony of this right?
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby meidei » May 29th, 2010, 8:34 pm

Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.

(and other posts I'm too lazy to quote)

Actually, this is the reason I don't like Shin'ichi that much. He doesn't seem to understand that crime is not black and white. While I'm not endorsing criminal acts, I try to understand why would a person go as far as killing somebody, and in real life situation I'd prefer to support that person rather than just put him or her in jail (seems like my cousin who is a psychologist had great influence on my opinions regarding crime and punishment). I felt sorry for many criminals in DC.
The good thing is that Conan (with the help of Haibara as already stated) is maturing in that aspect (extremely slow but anyway).
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby dilbertschalter » May 29th, 2010, 10:31 pm

soratothamax wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Dwalin wrote:
soratothamax wrote:Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.


Then why doesn't he think the same way about the victims who also showed no compassion for the innocent people they killed or brought to suicide?


According to Wiki Japan has a pretty lenient system (though it does have the death penalty). Even those sentenced to life are often paroled after 15 years. Most of the Conan's sympathetic murderers will probably get out in 5 years, or 3 if the crime wasn't premeditated. 5 years is hardly a merciless punishment.

Conan also won't force the issue if the victim survives to forgive the culprit. He's even gone so far as to lie to the police to protect a culprit from scrutiny after that culprit's suicide attempt (Idols' Secret)



That's because the country of Japan has been known to have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, according to statistics. It has been honored as one of the best places to raise children. The highest crime rates are in Brazil and Russia. The U.S. comes in a good fourth place after Venezuela.


The US crime rate (or murder rate) even, is much lower than fourth in the world; it's quite poor by western standards, but internationally it isn't terrible.

As for Conan's personality, I think it is important to remember that DC is a kids manga/show and that it wouldn't look so great to have the main character argue for some murders being acceptable. Also, a lot of him not showing compassion is simply his personality- he pretty much never reveals any weakness and getting emotional is 'weak'.
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby baka1412 » May 30th, 2010, 1:37 am

Conan should have a nice tea-time with Yagami Light..

I wonder how would Kira responded for Conan Idea of Justice..
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby bluekaitou1412 » May 30th, 2010, 8:36 am

baka1412 wrote:Conan should have a nice tea-time with Yagami Light..

I wonder how would Kira responded for Conan Idea of Justice..


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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby soratothamax » May 30th, 2010, 4:06 pm

kkslider5552000 wrote:
soratothamax wrote:It has been honored as one of the best places to raise children.

I'm not the only one who realizes the irony of this right?


lol seriously...and it's the main setting in Japan...
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby soratothamax » May 30th, 2010, 4:09 pm

meidei wrote:
Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.

(and other posts I'm too lazy to quote)

Actually, this is the reason I don't like Shin'ichi that much. He doesn't seem to understand that crime is not black and white. While I'm not endorsing criminal acts, I try to understand why would a person go as far as killing somebody, and in real life situation I'd prefer to support that person rather than just put him or her in jail (seems like my cousin who is a psychologist had great influence on my opinions regarding crime and punishment). I felt sorry for many criminals in DC.
The good thing is that Conan (with the help of Haibara as already stated) is maturing in that aspect (extremely slow but anyway).


yea it's kind of bogus how Shinichi treats people who try their hardest everyday, and have someone viciously mock them, or beat them.....Yea, Shinichi is one spoiled and cold kid.
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby meidei » May 30th, 2010, 4:30 pm

And if I'm allowed to state the obvious, as people, we are flawed, therefore it's only normal for most of us to sympathize with flawed fictional characters rather than the ones that are supposed to be absolutely perfect, even if they are Justice (and because there is a big Death Note fanbase in this site: Kira >>> L for this reason ).

That  "as people, we are flawed" part reminded me the awesome Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei OP1, "Hito Toshite Jiku ga Bureteiru".
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby kkslider5552000 » May 30th, 2010, 4:39 pm

people are jealous that Shinichi is better than everyone  :-* (at least in the story itself)

besides, I am the only one who has put 2 and 2 together about how there are complaints about Shinichi being too perfect yet complaints Shinichi is a shallow egomaniac? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOUR WAY (BURGER KING) BOTH WAYS
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Re: Will it always be like that?

Postby Nyarl » May 30th, 2010, 4:58 pm

Conan-tachi has allowed two culprits to go free even before Haibara was introduced. Once, for a kidnapping (Blackmailed Soccer Player), once for attempted murder (Scuba Murder). He wasn't a justice-must-be-served hard ass in the first place. Contrast that with Sato in Love Story 7 (and remember Sato took a shot as a defenseless culprit herself before that (12,000,000 Hostages))...
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