Will it always be like that?

[Dwalin]

[spoiler]I downloaded the entire series and am going to watch it form the beginning to the end. I have just finished episode 78 and have noticed that nearly all of the murders seem at least partly justifiable. The murderers are always represented in such a way that the viewer feels sorry for them (even though Conan obviously doesn’t, who knows why) and the victims nearly always bring it upon themselves – in most of the cases they are directly or indirectly responsible for some innocent people’s deaths. Could you please tell me if it will be like that through the entire series or will the situation change? Because for now I really don’t see a point for Conan investigating crimes if they always follow the pattern “goodâ€

[xGinx]

Yeah, It's almost always (and idk why i don't say always) like that .... The murderered person always did something to the murderer, but at least for me the excuses are pretty stupids, It's almost like "I killed him because i couldn't stand him looking at me", couldn't you just go and pounch him in the face instead of stabing him?? LOL

[Detective Prince]

Where did ya download it?

[Dwalin]

Where did ya download it?

Most episodes from Piratebay and from this site, and others (in Italian) from some Italian sites (but I don't remember where exactly).

[pofa]

I read a review somewhere that suggested that killers with "justifiable" motives were less scary for kids--the same reasons that little kids are rarely hurt/killed in the series, at least onscreen. I don't know how that fits in with the manga, though, since it's not specifically aimed at children (I don't think).

[Dwalin]

I read a review somewhere that suggested that killers with "justifiable" motives were less scary for kids

But tear-jerking stories about people with ruined lives going to jail could also make children cry.

[soratothamax]

@ pofa yea it was better for kids, but also people tend to think a murder done when a person is evil is justifiable, correct? But Gosho's message is to teach kids that no murder is justifiable not even if someone has done something that offended you. They are trying to teach people that there are other alternatives, and murder is never an option, no matter how they seemed to deserve to die.

[Detective Prince]

Oi...sora...I think that's someoneelse's avatar

[Dwalin]

@ pofa yea it was better for kids, but also people tend to think a murder done when a person is evil is justifiable, correct? But Gosho's message is to teach kids that no murder is justifiable not even if someone has done something that offended you. They are trying to teach people that there are other alternatives, and murder is never an option, no matter how they seemed to deserve to die.

But what surprises me is how Conan doesn't seem to have any compassion for the murderers who did what they did out of despair. For example, in episode 84-85

Spoiler:

where the murdered people were themselves child murderers,

I really don't understand what Conan was thinking when he sent their killer to jail. If he felt he should obey the law so blindly, he still should havehad  some compassion for the killer.

[pofa]

Shinichi is Justice, not Compassion. That's Ran.

Shichichi obviously gets satisfaction out of solving the mysteries. But when he sends the murderers to jail, he doesn't look particularly happy or even satisfied--he usually has that heavy look on his face. Instead of compassion OR victory, I think at that moment he's feeling frustrated that they chose to return murder for murder rather than finding another way to resolve things.

[dilbertschalter]

There's not as much emotional impact if the killer did it for "no reason". That's why cases like Furinkazen don't fit well with the series- I remember thinking, "what a terrible motive" when the killer was unmasked and explained the motive behind the crime(s).

[Abs.]

But what surprises me is how Conan doesn't seem to have any compassion for the murderers who did what they did out of despair. For example, in episode 84-85

Spoiler:

where the murdered people were themselves child murderers,

I really don't understand what Conan was thinking when he sent their killer to jail. If he felt he should obey the law so blindly, he still should havehad  some compassion for the killer.

So...

You subscribe to the idea that murderers shouldn't go to jail, if they murdered the other person for a good reason, eh?

Bad Person A>  KILLS Person 1 IN COLD BLOOD MUHUHUHAHAHA
Person 2> KILLS Bad Person A because Bad Person A killed his son, Person 1
Person B> KILLS Person 2 because Person 2 killed his mother, Bad Person A
Person 3> KILLS Person B because Person B killed her husband, Person 2
etc...  And no one should go to jail................. 

[Dwalin]

There's not as much emotional impact if the killer did it for "no reason". That's why cases like Furinkazen don't fit well with the series- I remember thinking, "what a terrible motive" when the killer was unmasked and explained the motive behind the crime(s).

Yes, but there also are such motives as greed. Many people kill for money, but so far I haven't noticed many such cases in the series. By the way, what surprises me a bit is that when a prominent businessman is murdered in the series, it is always out of revenge by someone whose life he has ruined. I think it would be more realistic if at least in some cases he got killed by a contract killer hired by another businessman, with whom he had competition in business. After all, that happens often in real life.

You subscribe to the idea that murderers shouldn't go to jail, if they murdered the other person for a good reason, eh?

Not really. I was just wondering about why there are almost no cases in which the victim does deserve any compassion.

[dilbertschalter]

There's not as much emotional impact if the killer did it for "no reason". That's why cases like Furinkazen don't fit well with the series- I remember thinking, "what a terrible motive" when the killer was unmasked and explained the motive behind the crime(s).

Yes, but there also are such motives as greed. Many people kill for money, but so far I haven't noticed many such cases in the series. By the way, what surprises me a bit is that when a prominent businessman is murdered in the series, it is always out of revenge by someone whose life he has ruined. I think it would be more realistic if at least in some cases he got killed by a contract killer hired by another businessman, with whom he had competition in business. After all, that happens often in real life.

You subscribe to the idea that murderers shouldn't go to jail, if they murdered the other person for a good reason, eh?

Not really. I was just wondering about why there are almost no cases in which the victim does deserve any compassion.

I know it would be more realistic to have murders for money. As I said, the Furinkazen case feels very out of place, because the motive (for the original killing) is money.

As for compassion, the whole point the series is trying to get across is that murderers do not deserve compassion. As Kogoro memorably put it in episode 28, "No... I don't ever want to understand.... no matter the reason... a killer's feelings." Regardless of the situation, murder is wrong and inexcusable.

Also, it's worth noting that in 84-85 there was 'no proof'. The killer stated that "she was sure", but nothing in the way of verification was presented. A better example might be 11 or 222-224.

[soratothamax]

@ pofa yea it was better for kids, but also people tend to think a murder done when a person is evil is justifiable, correct? But Gosho's message is to teach kids that no murder is justifiable not even if someone has done something that offended you. They are trying to teach people that there are other alternatives, and murder is never an option, no matter how they seemed to deserve to die.

But what surprises me is how Conan doesn't seem to have any compassion for the murderers who did what they did out of despair. For example, in episode 84-85

Spoiler:

where the murdered people were themselves child murderers,

I really don't understand what Conan was thinking when he sent their killer to jail. If he felt he should obey the law so blindly, he still should havehad  some compassion for the killer.

Conan has this "idea" that no murder is worth compassion. He likes to punish those who take the life of another by cold emotion. He feels it is inexcusable and there is no mercy and compassion for those who didn't show it to others.

But that's why I like Haibara so much. That was the first criminal he ever showed compassion for. She's helping him understand the mind of a criminal. And she's showing him the way to be. If you noticed he's not a very emotional or sensitive dude, like in the recent DCTP subbed episode where he was insensitive to Ayumi. He shows no compassion or understanding.That could either come from seeing too many of the same cases over and over (which is the attitude of cops) or being a spoiled rich kid with no hardships.  And even sometimes, he blows off Ran's crying sometimes, like when she was huddled i a corner because she found Kahzuya hanging....his look was totally...bored.