Conan+Ayumi

[Tanner-kun]

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Ya Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

[ranger]

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Nooooooooo, that's crazy talk dawg

[mangaluva]

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Nooooooooo, that's crazy talk dawg

Hell yeah it is. KAITO is the only one for Shinichi

[Schillok]

Looks like we have gotten... slightly off-topic.

So first things first: The suffix -phila indicates some kind of attraction or affinity to something. Or in sometimes the love or obsession with something.
So hydrophilic substances are chemical that have an affinity to water (meaning they could be solved in the water). But you could use the term in a psychological sense as well to show the preference of a human to certain hobbies (not only sexual preferences).

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

In the moment, yes. Conan x Ayumi as a mutual pairing is something that might happen if Conan stays in his shrunken state forever or for a long time which would prevent him from being together with Ran (in a romantic way, not as a little brother like he is now).
At the moment he loves Ran. Or thinks that he loves Ran if you want to be optimistic. 


Ran and Shinichi know each other since they are babies (because their parents knew each other) and probably played with each other a lot. This might be great to show that they have a strong connection, but on the other hand it is also a chance for Conan x Ayumi (and also Conan x Ai if you prefer that pairing).
In psychology there exists an effect called Westermarck effect. It is a kind of Reverse sexual imprinting which is seen when two people live in close domestic proximity during the first few years in the life of either one, both are desensitized to later close sexual attraction.

This would mean that Rans and Shinichis relationship is not (romantic) love, but more like a brother-sister relationship. Which they think is love since it is heir first love anyway. Ayumi (and Ai) met Conan later in their lives (the reverse imprinting effect ends after approx. 5 years since birth) so they will not be influenced.


Well, this is only theory though. I doubt Gosho would consider it and Shinichi and Ran are fictional characters after all. But in reality it would mean Ayumi had a much better chance. 

[Nyarl]

In psychology there exists an effect called Westermarck effect. It is a kind of Reverse sexual imprinting which is seen when two people live in close domestic proximity during the first few years in the life of either one, both are desensitized to later close sexual attraction.

This would mean that Rans and Shinichis relationship is not (romantic) love, but more like a brother-sister relationship. Which they think is love since it is heir first love anyway. Ayumi (and Ai) met Conan later in their lives (the reverse imprinting effect ends after approx. 5 years since birth) so they will not be influenced.

Ran gets Shin'ichi's blood flowing. Flows the wrong direction since its a shonen, but she gets his blood flowing nevertheless. Not only that but we were shown that while Shin'ichi will blush after seeing a close up pic of bikini clad breasts, his blood only really starts flowing when he realizes they're Ran's breasts, implying Shin'ichi is not only sexually attracted to Ran, but is sexually attracted especially to her.

Ran has also had an "it's hot in here" scene caused by merely the thought of seeing Shin'ichi in person again. "Interpreting" that as just an embarrassment blush scene would seem to me to be more wishful thinking than "interpretation".

Heiji on the other hand says outright that Kazuha is like a sister to him... While we've seen that she fantasizes about cuddling with him, we've seen no evidence that he finds her sexually attractive. We've seen a few scenes where he's annoyed when she gets physically close to some guy or a someone flirts with her, but that could be more like the familial protectiveness we see in Kogoro, not jealousy. {not yet in the anime}

Spoiler:

Kazuha also has an alternative who wasn't sent off on a slow boat to America just after we learn about his feelings for her, unlike Ran.

[Schillok]

In psychology there exists an effect called Westermarck effect. It is a kind of Reverse sexual imprinting which is seen when two people live in close domestic proximity during the first few years in the life of either one, both are desensitized to later close sexual attraction.

This would mean that Rans and Shinichis relationship is not (romantic) love, but more like a brother-sister relationship. Which they think is love since it is heir first love anyway. Ayumi (and Ai) met Conan later in their lives (the reverse imprinting effect ends after approx. 5 years since birth) so they will not be influenced.

Ran gets Shin'ichi's blood flowing. Flows the wrong direction since its a shonen, but she gets his blood flowing nevertheless. Not only that but we were shown that while Shin'ichi will blush after seeing a close up pic of bikini clad breasts, his blood only really starts flowing when he realizes they're Ran's breasts, implying Shin'ichi is not only sexually attracted to Ran, but is sexually attracted especially to her.

Ran has also had an "it's hot in here" scene caused by merely the thought of seeing Shin'ichi in person again. "Interpreting" that as just an embarrassment blush scene would seem to me to be more wishful thinking than "interpretation".

That is what I meant with my last paragraph in the original post. This effect would/could be visible if they were real persons. But they are fictional, so the author has any right to just ignore the effect and make their characters completely unaffected by it.
They are characterized by their affections for each other. Like you said, it is only an "interpretation" based on what would happen if the effect existed for them (or if it were to be revealed it exist for them). The canon strongly indicates they are in love.

Heiji on the other hand says outright that Kazuha is like a sister to him... While we've seen that she fantasizes about cuddling with him, we've seen no evidence that he finds her sexually attractive. We've seen a few scenes where he's annoyed when she gets physically close to some guy or a someone flirts with her, but that could be more like the familial protectiveness we see in Kogoro, not jealousy. {not yet in the anime}

Spoiler:

Kazuha also has an alternative who wasn't sent off on a slow boat to America just after we learn about his feelings for her, unlike Ran.

Yeah, I am also a bit skeptical about Heijis and Kazuhas relationship. My guess is it is (mutual) love, between two strong egos that are afraid to show their feelings to each other because they are afraid they might seem "weak" to the other. Similar to Kogoro x Eri.


I really prefer pairings where they are not afraid to admit to their feelings. Even if it is one sided. Especially if it is one-sided.

[TheBlind]

Ya Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Nooooooooo, that's crazy talk dawg

Hell yeah it is. KAITO is the only one for Shinichi

These two statements obviously contradict each other...I must fix this at once!
There.
Kaito disguised as Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

Shinichi is a bit weird when it comes to things like these..so I am almost 70% sure that this would be his preferred choice. Plus if he gets tired of "Ran", he can ask Kaito to disguise himself as Takagi or something, it's a win-win.

[Schillok]

Ya Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Nooooooooo, that's crazy talk dawg

Hell yeah it is. KAITO is the only one for Shinichi

These two statements obviously contradict each other...I must fix this at once!
There.
Kaito disguised as Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

Shinichi is a bit weird when it comes to things like these..so I am almost 70% sure that this would be his preferred choice. Plus if he gets tired of "Ran", he can ask Kaito to disguise himself as Takagi or something, it's a win-win.

Uhhh... this is the Conan x Ayumi thread, you know.

No matter how good Kaitos disguising skills are, he could not disguise himself as Ayumi anyway.

If Shinichi wants someone similar to Ran, who is not Ran then Ayumi is exactly the right choice for him. And she would even listen to him talking about Sherlock Holmes. At least until she heard everything for the 10th time. 

[soratothamax]

In psychology there exists an effect called Westermarck effect. It is a kind of Reverse sexual imprinting which is seen when two people live in close domestic proximity during the first few years in the life of either one, both are desensitized to later close sexual attraction.

This would mean that Rans and Shinichis relationship is not (romantic) love, but more like a brother-sister relationship. Which they think is love since it is heir first love anyway. Ayumi (and Ai) met Conan later in their lives (the reverse imprinting effect ends after approx. 5 years since birth) so they will not be influenced.

Ran gets Shin'ichi's blood flowing. Flows the wrong direction since its a shonen, but she gets his blood flowing nevertheless. Not only that but we were shown that while Shin'ichi will blush after seeing a close up pic of bikini clad breasts, his blood only really starts flowing when he realizes they're Ran's breasts, implying Shin'ichi is not only sexually attracted to Ran, but is sexually attracted especially to her.

Ran has also had an "it's hot in here" scene caused by merely the thought of seeing Shin'ichi in person again. "Interpreting" that as just an embarrassment blush scene would seem to me to be more wishful thinking than "interpretation".

Heiji on the other hand says outright that Kazuha is like a sister to him... While we've seen that she fantasizes about cuddling with him, we've seen no evidence that he finds her sexually attractive. We've seen a few scenes where he's annoyed when she gets physically close to some guy or a someone flirts with her, but that could be more like the familial protectiveness we see in Kogoro, not jealousy. {not yet in the anime}

Spoiler:

Kazuha also has an alternative who wasn't sent off on a slow boat to America just after we learn about his feelings for her, unlike Ran.

Which proves my belief that Shinichi only likes Ran for her looks and doesn't respect her, her personality, her feelings or her brains, which is evident because she seems to lack strength in all of the above when it comes to Shinichi.

That's not love. Love is the ability to look beyond looks, and after many years of being with someone, looks become a small factor in true relationships, which decide the fate.

Those scenes always prove to me how elementary, childish, and immature their so-called "love" relationship is. It seems more like a "crush" or "lust". Which to me is anything but admirable.

I actually am getting more into the AyumixConan thing after seeing the Festival Dolls case once again. It really is a sweet and innocent relationship. I see more innocence in that. It also is nice how Ayumi won't give up on Conan, even if he might potentially like someone else. I'd say I like AiCon and AyumiCon very much. I won't say I see romantic potential in it, but I think it can develop into a very nice relationship, whatever that relationship will be (even very good friends).

[scineram]

Which proves my belief that Shinichi only likes Ran for her looks and doesn't respect her, her personality, her feelings or her brains, which is evident because she seems to lack strength in all of the above when it comes to Shinichi.

That's not love. Love is the ability to look beyond looks, and after many years of being with someone, looks become a small factor in true relationships, which decide the fate.

Those scenes always prove to me how elementary, childish, and immature their so-called "love" relationship is. It seems more like a "crush" or "lust". Which to me is anything but admirable.

I somewhat like what you are saying. Just this once.

[soratothamax]

Which proves my belief that Shinichi only likes Ran for her looks and doesn't respect her, her personality, her feelings or her brains, which is evident because she seems to lack strength in all of the above when it comes to Shinichi.

That's not love. Love is the ability to look beyond looks, and after many years of being with someone, looks become a small factor in true relationships, which decide the fate.

Those scenes always prove to me how elementary, childish, and immature their so-called "love" relationship is. It seems more like a "crush" or "lust". Which to me is anything but admirable.

I somewhat like what you are saying. Just this once.

Glad you do. Just this once. 

But I prefer to look at more admirable ShinRan points, which include Ran saving Shinichi's life sometimes, and Shinichi saving hers. I prefer her when she thinks about little gifts to buy him, and when he thinks about little things to buy her, as if they are actually thinking about one another. It's much more admirable than to think about them lusting after one another. That makes it seem superficial. I prefer to see them in a couple of years after they get used to each other's looks and bodies. The lust will dissolve in a couple of years, and it will take more than good looks to keep them together. If they hold together then, it will be then that I see that their love is sincere.

I would like to know what Shinichi likes most about Ran's personality, brains, or feelings  more than his ideas about her breasts. And how Shinichi feels they can work in a long-term relationship, his actual thoughts on his relationship with Ran, not just feelings, but just exactly how he feels about long-term relationships compared to Ran's thoughts of it. That develpment is lacking to me. That's just me.

But with AyumiConan I see that he understands that she likes him, and that she's not giving up on him. He realizes those feelings, which aren't so complex but straightforward. To me, I feel Ayumi has a lot of courage and faith to still show those feelings even if Conan doesn't return them openly. I see that Ayumi will also save Conan and think about him enough to save some bread for him (like in the Blue Castle case). And their relationship is not about lust. It's an admirable relationship, regardless of the lack of romantic involvement on Conan's part. But if he really considered her, she would have a lot more in common with him. She would be interested in detective stories, she would even want to solve detective stories with him sometimes. She has a very good sense of morals, and I think she'd make a good mother and wife. I see so much potential in Ayumi that I feel it's too bad she's so young. If Gosho had introduced her at Ran's age....I'm not too sure if Conan would blow her off as much.

[TheBlind]

Ya Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

yup..

conan is still shinichi..... but if he love ayumi just because they were going together in class or in playing ground... than it's normal...


because i belive shinichi only love RAn....

Nooooooooo, that's crazy talk dawg

Hell yeah it is. KAITO is the only one for Shinichi

These two statements obviously contradict each other...I must fix this at once!
There.
Kaito disguised as Ran is the only one for Shinichi.

Shinichi is a bit weird when it comes to things like these..so I am almost 70% sure that this would be his preferred choice. Plus if he gets tired of "Ran", he can ask Kaito to disguise himself as Takagi or something, it's a win-win.

Uhhh... this is the Conan x Ayumi thread, you know.

You say it like this thread has to be immune to the off-topicness. .
Besides it helps you in your task of force reviving this thread every time it leaves the first page.

[Schillok]

You say it like this thread has to be immune to the off-topicness. .
Besides it helps you in your task of force reviving this thread every time it leaves the first page.

Dang, I was found out. 
On the other hand, when I find time to write a bit in this thread it is usually during the weekends. And since the tread is not that active that usually means there weren't many replies.

But I prefer to look at more admirable ShinRan points, which include Ran saving Shinichi's life sometimes, and Shinichi saving hers. I prefer her when she thinks about little gifts to buy him, and when he thinks about little things to buy her, as if they are actually thinking about one another. It's much more admirable than to think about them lusting after one another. That makes it seem superficial. I prefer to see them in a couple of years after they get used to each other's looks and bodies. The lust will dissolve in a couple of years, and it will take more than good looks to keep them together. If they hold together then, it will be then that I see that their love is sincere.

I would like to know what Shinichi likes most about Ran's personality, brains, or feelings  more than his ideas about her breasts. And how Shinichi feels they can work in a long-term relationship, his actual thoughts on his relationship with Ran, not just feelings, but just exactly how he feels about long-term relationships compared to Ran's thoughts of it. That develpment is lacking to me. That's just me.

Well, saving each others lives might not be the best example to characterize Shinichis and Rans relationship. Both are quite altruistic, ready to risk their own lives and eager to save the lives of other people. If for example Mitsuhiko were in danger both Ran and Shinichi/Conan would do the same as if Mitsuhiko were the corresponding other.
As you said, their strongest point is the constant thinking of each other, worrying for each other, caring about each other. This is what makes them a couple.

I don't think it is lust, or the physical appearance (beauty, breasts, whatever) that holds them together. Though being good-looking is a nice bonus, but you can't blame them since they are the main character and main characters are usually good-looking by default. 
I think it is their similar view of justice, their wish for the good in mankind, their desire to help other people without expecting anything in return and their ability to overcome their fears to do something even when they are scared about the (possible) consequences that makes the corresponding other so interesting for them. (On the other hand this is also why I think that Ayumi - who is quite similar to Ran in these aspects - would make a great match with Conan.)

Or maybe it is because they were constantly together since early childhood. If you think about it, Ran seems to have been Shinichis only friend (his own age - not counting Agasa or Megure) and even Ran is only shown to be close friends with Shinichi and Sonoko.
So maybe the closeness between Ran and Shinichi is only because they are so used to each other and don't have anyone else who they could consider as a possible partner for a romance.

But with AyumiConan I see that he understands that she likes him, and that she's not giving up on him. He realizes those feelings, which aren't so complex but straightforward. To me, I feel Ayumi has a lot of courage and faith to still show those feelings even if Conan doesn't return them openly. I see that Ayumi will also save Conan and think about him enough to save some bread for him (like in the Blue Castle case). And their relationship is not about lust. It's an admirable relationship, regardless of the lack of romantic involvement on Conan's part. But if he really considered her, she would have a lot more in common with him. She would be interested in detective stories, she would even want to solve detective stories with him sometimes. She has a very good sense of morals, and I think she'd make a good mother and wife. I see so much potential in Ayumi that I feel it's too bad she's so young. If Gosho had introduced her at Ran's age....I'm not too sure if Conan would blow her off as much.

Yeah, exactly what I think as well.
Ayumis strengths would only help her relationship with Conan if he slowly decides to give up on Ran. As long as Ran and Shinichi/Conan refuse to let the other go they will remain "trapped" in the situation they are in now. As long as Shinichi is Conan their relationship can't advance. The longer he remains Conan - and the longer Ran remains separated from Shinichi - the sooner they should come to the same conclusion. What holds Shinichi and Ran together right now is their trust in each other.

[thriceplus]

1455 more replies to surpass the Shinichi+Ran thread and 3007 replies to surpass the Conan+Ai thread.

[Conia]

1455 more replies to surpass the Shinichi+Ran thread and 3007 replies to surpass the Conan+Ai thread.

You'll never surpass the FI thread!
(Insert evil laugh here)
Seriously: Someone other than Schillok revived this thread