Police Chief from 4th Movie

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Abs. » March 26th, 2010, 2:01 am

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Akonyl » March 26th, 2010, 2:06 am

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby ranger » March 26th, 2010, 2:59 am

oh hey guys, what's going -

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Abs. » March 26th, 2010, 3:09 am

ranger wrote:oh hey guys, what's going -

*sees a page about grammar

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby mangaluva » March 26th, 2010, 5:01 am

AH English student weighing in. "Need Not To Know" is not common modern english, but is not technically grammatically incorrect. My english teacher agrees.
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Abs. » March 26th, 2010, 5:05 am

mangaluva wrote:AH English student weighing in. "Need Not To Know" is not common modern english, but is not technically grammatically incorrect. My english teacher agrees.

That is why I used the argument I did above, yes.
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby ranger » March 26th, 2010, 9:04 pm

Abs. wrote:
ranger wrote:oh hey guys, what's going -

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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby ccppfan » March 27th, 2010, 10:09 am

mangaluva wrote:AH English student weighing in. "Need Not To Know" is not common modern english, but is not technically grammatically incorrect. My english teacher agrees.


So do I.

Ther are two ways of saying that someone doesn't need to know something. You can say, "You don't need to know." OR "You need not know." The second one is more formal and polite.
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Kleene Onigiri » March 27th, 2010, 11:57 am

well, Megure was the one who used that phrase at first. And we all know, Megure and his english..... :D
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby Abs. » March 27th, 2010, 4:58 pm

ccppfan wrote:Ther are two ways of saying that someone doesn't need to know something. You can say, "You don't need to know." OR "You need not know." The second one is more formal and polite.

I'm not arguing the correctness of "need not know" - it's "need not to know" that's stilted.
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby mangaluva » March 28th, 2010, 12:19 pm

Abs. wrote:
ccppfan wrote:Ther are two ways of saying that someone doesn't need to know something. You can say, "You don't need to know." OR "You need not know." The second one is more formal and polite.

I'm not arguing the correctness of "need not know" - it's "need not to know" that's stilted.

It's not stilted, it's just flowery, which admittedly can often amount to the same thing.
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby tantei okuoku » April 2nd, 2010, 2:37 pm

mangaluva wrote:
Abs. wrote:
ccppfan wrote:Ther are two ways of saying that someone doesn't need to know something. You can say, "You don't need to know." OR "You need not know." The second one is more formal and polite.

I'm not arguing the correctness of "need not know" - it's "need not to know" that's stilted.

It's not stilted, it's just flowery, which admittedly can often amount to the same thing.

my english is bad and I KNOW that there should not be a to in there. also I have never heard a native speaker put a to in there or say you need not know. it just sounds wrong. you don't need to know is correct
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Re: Police Chief from 4th Movie

Postby mangaluva » April 2nd, 2010, 3:01 pm

tantei okuoku wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Abs. wrote:
ccppfan wrote:Ther are two ways of saying that someone doesn't need to know something. You can say, "You don't need to know." OR "You need not know." The second one is more formal and polite.

I'm not arguing the correctness of "need not know" - it's "need not to know" that's stilted.

It's not stilted, it's just flowery, which admittedly can often amount to the same thing.

my english is bad and I KNOW that there should not be a to in there. also I have never heard a native speaker put a to in there or say you need not know. it just sounds wrong. you don't need to know is correct


"You don't need to know" is correct. But also is "need not to know". It's just a flowery way of speaking that few to no native speakers use anymore, but just because it is uncommon does not make it grammatically incorrect. As a native speaker I find it flowery but not wrong. I would speak like that if I was speaking like Shakespeare, who used inversions like that frequently for poetic effect.

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