ATTENTION ALL DETECTIVE CONAN FANS

[tantei okuoku]

I'd buy them at FYE, but they are $50 each.. for season boxsets. Dunno about Amazon though. I think they are 38 or something. That's a lot for me. I am already buying 3,4,5,6 movies...

thank you very much, I know many fans do buy the sets but you get some people like parkur and kor who think that fan subs are the greatest to happen to anime and them along with it, well newsflash you two they are not and neither are you

[Jd-]

I'd buy them at FYE, but they are $50 each.. for season boxsets. Dunno about Amazon though. I think they are 38 or something. That's a lot for me. I am already buying 3,4,5,6 movies...

FYE has the worst prices in the country, absolutely no doubt about it. It's like, MSRP + $5 in there, despite every other retailer cutting the price by 30% at launch automatically. I bet they're selling Die Hard on DVD for $34.99 right now.

I'd buy them at FYE, but they are $50 each.. for season boxsets. Dunno about Amazon though. I think they are 38 or something. That's a lot for me. I am already buying 3,4,5,6 movies...

thank you very much, I know many fans do buy the sets but you get some people like parkur and kor who think that fan subs are the greatest to happen to anime and them along with it, well newsflash you two they are not and neither are you

Fansubs kind of are the greatest thing to happen to anime in some people's eyes, because there are some great series that will never see a domestic release simply because of the market out there (MAJOR, for instance, and the rest of Conan [most likely, don't mean to dash hopes here]).

[GinRei]

Fansubs kind of are the greatest thing to happen to anime in some people's eyes, because there are some great series that will never see a domestic release simply because of the market out there (MAJOR, for instance, and the rest of Conan [most likely, don't mean to dash hopes here]).

Not to mention the whole "building up a fan base before launch so launch doesn't completely and utterly fail" thing.  Granted that was truer back in the day... but do you think there'd be an anime industry in America today if not for fansubs building the fan base?

Well, maybe there would be, but it'd still be 80% DBZ and 20% Sailor Moon.

Also, tantei okuoku... please for the love of all things holy, grammar check.

[Abs.]

Not really sure how this turned into a NUUUU I DON'T WANT TO BUY THE FUNIMATION AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME thread (perhaps the original post was worded divisively?) but it looked pretty simple to me:

If you want to buy it, buy it.  

If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it.  Keep all the doors and windows locked and all other entrances to your home sealed, because otherwise tantei okuoku will come and murder you in your sleep.

[GinRei]

If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it.  Keep all the doors and windows locked and all other entrances to your home sealed, because otherwise tantei okuoku will come and murder you in your sleep.

And since they didn't support Case Closed, they won't get a shota detective coming to avenge them.

[CarpetCrawler]

Fansubs kind of are the greatest thing to happen to anime in some people's eyes, because there are some great series that will never see a domestic release simply because of the market out there (MAJOR, for instance, and the rest of Conan [most likely, don't mean to dash hopes here]).

Indeed. There are some real gems out there that we'll never get to see, because it's not what the typical anime fan through Funimation wants to see.

There were many problems with "Case Closed" which to me are/were the impending death knell of dubbed Conan. First of all, up until 2009, Funimation did a completely horrible job of promoting the show. Just horrible. They treated it like the siamese twin in Basket Case and tried to pretend it wasn't there, hence why it took FOUR years for material they recorded to finally be released. Which really doesn't help if you're trying to find an audience for a television show. You can't hold out on episodes for so long.

An interesting thing I was told is that CC was doing incredibly well among the 12-18 demographic on [adult swim] (You know, the demographic that makes up most of [as]'s audience?) but the key demographic over there, like for most every other station, is the 18-34 demo, so the show was shoved to a 5 AM time slot to its death. I wonder if Funi was ever told about that. Maybe it could have been promoted in a different way.

But like I've said before, the manga sells incredibly well, so this may not be the last we hear from Conan. I'll be sad if no more episodes are picked up, because if it weren't for the dub I would have never gotten into the show in the first place. But I understand that it has so many flaws, and was completely bumbled up by Funimation between when it was put into the basement by [as] up until 2009, that I won't be surprised if it silently isn't picked up anymore.

[Sakina]

I actually just bought (and received yesterday in the mail) the first two seasons and the first two movies from that site.  I'd previously bought season 5 when it first came out so I'm only missing two seasons now.  I will most certainly be buying the others.  I also like to own the DVDs and not just download them off the internet.  You can play them in more places and it's so much easier to just give to people to watch who aren't big anime fans and aren't used to watching stuff on the internet.  

[Kor]

@kor I said at the begining that this was aimed at Region 1!!! fans not region 2!

Two people in this thread misunderstood/didn't know what region 1 stands for. The best way for it to be clear was just say (in your way) "ONLY FOR THE USA!"

and if someone read a book you published cover to cover at the bookstore then you should get paid for that person for the book, you read it and you like it enough to go to the end then you should probably pay the author for the book

A horrible example. I'm willing to pay for the guy who would read in the bookstore the whole book. Not only that the seller would eventually notice, it would be much more comfortable to read it at home. Plus, he if he read everything, then shouldn't I be glad? The point which you tried to make is completely different from the example you gave.

however once and if funimation hits that mark then you buy there version of it like the fan subs always ask you to.

Many people don't, though. Same for CDs, games, music, movies, EVERYTHING you can get/download in the internet. If one can save his money and get what he wanted for free, he'd probably get it for free - that's how some of the humans are.

I am worried about subs because I want TO OWN the dvds because they can be played on a TV very easily

yes...I think that's how DVDs supposed to work - and your point being...?

and I can loan people easily.

so when you loan a DVD which you bought its A-OK, but if you send to a friend in the mail a link to a site which has some episodes it's pure evil? Why shouldn't your friends then buy as well the DVDs instead of loaning them from you?

And kor many parts of my speech where caps because some of you don't seem to get the point unless I act like glen beck, and then your stereotyping of show does not allow you to see the problem.

but...but...stereotyping is fun  :'(

The real point is: Detect- I'm sorry, Case Closed isn't doing so well and it will most likely stop the production. No big deal (since we have DCTP) and some shows/movies/books/records are just not meant to succeed, or at least not succeed in some place. Detective Conan is doing very well in Japan. in the US, as far as I understood, some people screwed up (air times, name changes, edits) and now you can see the result.

also don't take peoples quotes out of context, mis-quote them by forgetting the correct way to quote them.

I didn't, but quoting any further would be so significant? I personally think a "true Conan fan" wouldn't like the whole funanimation parade. I can't stand the english dub of Sailor Moon for example even though Sailor Moon is (and will be) one of my favorite anime of all time.

I'd buy them at FYE, but they are $50 each.. for season boxsets. Dunno about Amazon though. I think they are 38 or something. That's a lot for me. I am already buying 3,4,5,6 movies...

thank you very much, I know many fans do buy the sets but you get some people like parkur and kor who think that fan subs are the greatest to happen to anime and them along with it, well newsflash you two they are not and neither are you

who's getting things out of context now?  ::)
We never said anything like that.
also, as I (and you) said, I'm from Israel therefore whatever arguement you may hold over what I said, is not valid. Fansubs IS the only option for me to watch DC, you know.

Here is a real newsflash. What funanimation wants? MONEY. Something they probably not get much from DC hence why they might abandon the project. You are supporting a money grabber company. I am supporting a bunch of people who are the last thing but selfish and never asked for a dime.

[tantei okuoku]

Fansubs kind of are the greatest thing to happen to anime in some people's eyes, because there are some great series that will never see a domestic release simply because of the market out there (MAJOR, for instance, and the rest of Conan [most likely, don't mean to dash hopes here]).

Indeed. There are some real gems out there that we'll never get to see, because it's not what the typical anime fan through Funimation wants to see.

There were many problems with "Case Closed" which to me are/were the impending death knell of dubbed Conan. First of all, up until 2009, Funimation did a completely horrible job of promoting the show. Just horrible. They treated it like the siamese twin in Basket Case and tried to pretend it wasn't there, hence why it took FOUR years for material they recorded to finally be released. Which really doesn't help if you're trying to find an audience for a television show. You can't hold out on episodes for so long.

An interesting thing I was told is that CC was doing incredibly well among the 12-18 demographic on [adult swim] (You know, the demographic that makes up most of [as]'s audience?) but the key demographic over there, like for most every other station, is the 18-34 demo, so the show was shoved to a 5 AM time slot to its death. I wonder if Funi was ever told about that. Maybe it could have been promoted in a different way.

But like I've said before, the manga sells incredibly well, so this may not be the last we hear from Conan. I'll be sad if no more episodes are picked up, because if it weren't for the dub I would have never gotten into the show in the first place. But I understand that it has so many flaws, and was completely bumbled up by Funimation between when it was put into the basement by [as] up until 2009, that I won't be surprised if it silently isn't picked up anymore.

I think if funi DID drop case closed then the new adv (senati 21) would probably try and pick it up I think. you forget I think I work a real gem that will never be licensed kindaichi case files, and the detective academy Q manga, so I completely I understand, fansubs being a gold mine but I do not agree with the idea of fan subbers can do no wrong and are the pinnacle of anime work like two people obviously do.
And I agree that funimation has treated case closed horribly. I have a theory as to why after all of these year they suddenly started to push case closed, even going as making a skin for the fifth and sixth movies on there web site. honestly I think funimation ended up licensing so many AA (soul eater, eva, one piece, ouran, kenichi, D. Gray man, full metal alchemist brotherhood) series around this time last year that they ran out of money, and they needed something that would be CHEAP and easy to do, something they had a lot of.... and they rediscovered the abandoned case closed, they had done zero season sets with it and had new episodes on hand as well. also they knew the show had stayed in peoples minds due to the  AS airing and had a small occult fallowing in the US and the manga was selling well for viz, so why not revive it the only thing they would have to do is make a couple trailers and some box art, and a little shine (QCing), and they just threw everyone a bone, you can see in the dub as the episodes go on a major shift towards aiming it at fans of the series already and making it a quality dub, the biggest shift is seen in the third movie with the removal of the americanization completely. and removal of curtain small VA's in favor of better ones.we have know from the beginning there was no new work done on case closed done in years I just hypothesized this from some odd new anime and all the new anime from there big licensing event coming from one studio or at least 3/4  

[GinRei]

I think if funi DID drop case closed then the new adv (senati 21) would probably try and pick it up I think.

And they would fail miserably.  If people aren't paying $30 for 26 episodes, why the hell would they pay $40 for 7 epsiodes?  That's Sentai21 and Bandai's current pricing schedule, as compared to Funi's veridian pricing schedule.

[tantei okuoku]

@ kor just read what I just posted also I have characters I can't stand in the dub as well but guess what it is getting better. also I am not at all against using  fansubs if no one has the licensee in your area, or if someone losses the licensee and no one else picks it up.

As to your loaing vs emailing here is the deal with that,  number 1 there is always ONE copy of the video moving around verus emailing someone a link to get a episode there are now MULTIPLE copies of that episode going around instead of the one that you can take back from the person or use as firewood if you want to.

Also region one does not just mean the US it also includes Canada and Australia

I prefer my TV shows on my 50' HD instead of my computer screen that is the point

"Many people don't, though. Same for CDs, games, music, movies, EVERYTHING you can get/download in the internet. If one can save his money and get what he wanted for free, he'd probably get it for free - that's how some of the humans"
that's a choice not human nature, sure I use interlibary loan to get back issues of conan but I still buy the manga why, because it's good and I want my own HARD COPY. paper/dvds always beats bytes in my opinion.

Newsflash I am a fansubber and I support DCTP as well, but guess what I ALSO SUPORT FUNIMATION,  it's not a  war or Edward vs Jacob. why do I support them  because I like the product and I want more of it. guess what Funimation is a business they  employ people to sell a product so that everyone can get paid at the  end of the day. and far be it from them to try and do there and avoid the cutting people or Salaries in this recession.  

[tantei okuoku]

I think if funi DID drop case closed then the new adv (senati 21) would probably try and pick it up I think.

And they would fail miserably.  If people aren't paying $30 for 26 episodes, why the hell would they pay $40 for 7 epsiodes?  That's Sentai21 and Bandai's current pricing schedule, as compared to Funi's veridian pricing schedule.

I agree and I hate that schedule, I highly doubt if we do in fact get a season six it will probably be half season sets. why because funi knows there is actually money in the series versus just doing it to get some extra money.

[Gamer1104]

I am worried about subs because I want TO OWN the dvds because they can be played on a TV very easily

yes...I think that's how DVDs supposed to work - and your point being...?

and I can loan people easily.

so when you loan a DVD which you bought its A-OK, but if you send to a friend in the mail a link to a site which has some episodes it's pure evil? Why shouldn't your friends then buy as well the DVDs instead of loaning them from you?

Well what you're missing here is that many people who don't know of a show and don't watch fansubs would prefer to watch it on tv and in their native language.  What I mean by this is, a casual anime watcher who only really watches anime on tv; would he really prefer to go online to a streaming site and sit in front of his computer and watch anime that was fansubbed? Or would he rather sit on his couch and watch it in English, without having to bother with subtitles?

The point here is that it's a LOT easier to get someone interested in a series if they don't have to go too far out of their way to watch it. Not too difficult to understand here...

Here is a real newsflash. What funanimation wants? MONEY. Something they probably not get much from DC hence why they might abandon the project. You are supporting a money grabber company. I am supporting a bunch of people who are the last thing but selfish and never asked for a dime.

Money grubbing company? Really? You do realize that they're a business? And in this business, FUNi produces DVDs?  And in order to license more shows and in order to release them here, they'd have to sell the DVDs they produce and make money on them?  And you do also realize that they're releasing anime and that anime rarely sells as much as a "money grubbing" company would like, correct? Geez, this is the worst argument I have ever heard for fansubs...

I think if funi DID drop case closed then the new adv (senati 21) would probably try and pick it up I think.

And they would fail miserably.  If people aren't paying $30 for 26 episodes, why the hell would they pay $40 for 7 epsiodes?  That's Sentai21 and Bandai's current pricing schedule, as compared to Funi's veridian pricing schedule.

I really doubt that Sentai23 would pick up the show. It's definitely not something that they'd release. It's just not short enough (like most of their releases are).  Oh, and Sentai generally releases in 13~ episode sets for around $40.  Ginrei's confusing Bandai and them  :P


Edit: Yay 200th post!

[tantei okuoku]

thank you gamer and like I said if funi does get season 6 I bet it will be released as half season sets

[Gamer1104]

Of course Tantei. I just can't understand some of the logic out there...

@gamer I was talking about both box sets, $60 40% off then times two is $72

And my bad on this. Teaches me to read over something too quickly lol.