Eh. Ai definetly understands him the most. They got that connection.KaitoGirl95 wrote:I'm agreed with what you said.
Still, ShinxRan are my favourite couple and still I think that Ran can understand Shinichi better than Ai does, besides Ran has something special that makes Shinichi love her so much ^^ she doesn't have fear to show her feelings and she since the first moment, do or try to do her best to help people, not like Haibara who thought that it was idiotic save the others on the 17 Million Hostages Case. I'm COMPLETELY SURE that Ran would think different in the first instant
Dus wrote:I'll just repost my post from page 199 which got overlookeb because of the 200th-page celebrations. Which is said, because it contains THE counter argument for all these childhood friends love stories. Also, it took me ages to write and research.She's is the only one (apart from Heiji) who ever server as Conan's assistant. The most notable example for this isSchillok wrote:I don't see Shiho sharing the interests in cases. Usually he hardly does anything herself to solve them, only if the Detective Boys urge her to join. Quite the contrary, she usually asks Conan for the solution instead of trying to figure it out herself. Neither is she interested in Shinichis/Conans thrid hobby: Detective stories/novels.
The only interest they share is football. And even there she is favoring the opposite team. ::)
At this point I would usually make the reference to Ayumi who shares all three of his interests. But... I bet everyone knows that already. ;D
Movie 11 (if you consider the movies canon) orSpoiler:
She doesn't seem to share his interest in crime fiction, that's true. Rand does. Ayumi may also like football but cannot really help him to solve his cases. I don't think she's a fan of crime fiction either.
How can something be run-of-the-mill and extremely predictable and at the same time unrealistic? Doesn't the fact that it is very common and easy to predict indicate that it is very realistic?
It's unrealistic for two reasons:
A) Most of Gosho's pairings work the same way
B) There's a thing called the Westermarck Effect which says that people who have known each other since at least one of them was still a child, they're highly unlikely to be attracted to each other sexually
Exactly my thought. Opposites may attract in magnetism, but not in relationships. Of course there is some room for tolerance, but the more similar a couple is, the better they will get along.
Not necessarily.Complementary relationships are very common. Personally, I prefer that kind. And Conan and Ai definitely complement each other
No... whenever I hear this argument I immediately think about the 17 Million Hostages Case.
Haibara: "After all losing your life for the sake of total strangers is complete idiocy." I mean... it can't be shown any more obviously that they do not think the same way.
I never said they think the same way. I said they understand how the other party thinks. Even if she thinks he's doing something idiotic here, she still understands his motivation
ziraulo wrote:I don't think so. ShinRan has practically redefined what "star-crossed lovers" mean to me. Before, I would think of Romeo and Juliet's balcony scene, but now I think of that scene in OP 27 where they were talking to each other on the phone with just a wall separating them.Also, I like the childhood friend clichee, but I do think Gosho overused it. Seriously, I'm younger than most of the DC characters and I barely remember my childhood!
They do have some nice romantic scenes, but mostly its just too Pilcheresque.
Maybe, but then again, ALL kids are taught morals and ethics. Knowing that Ran's parents are a lawyer/police officer tandem (well, back when they weren't separated, at least), she would have learned those early on, even without Shinichi's help.
Possible. We cannot say for sure, but I still think she mostly just adopted Shinichi's morals and beliefs.
Well, highly unlikely means there's still a chance.
Still, she cannot partake in his detective work. And I don't think she's as attracted to Shinichi solving his cases as Kazuha is with Heiji. Once he is his 17-year old self again, she might actually object to his detective work because it is officially the reason he had been away from her for such a long time.The same thing applies to Ran, not just Haibara. Even though Ran thinks of Shinichi as a detective freak, she still respects his interests.
True, we cannot say it for sure, but you made it sound like Ran is merely a copycat that copies Shinichi’s beliefs.
Dus wrote:Could you clean up your tags? I find it extremely difficult to read.Well, highly unlikely means there's still a chance.
Basically, if you ARE attracted to them, you would be a pedophile. (at least to a degree)These exist, so yes there IS a chance. But it is highly unlikely and extremely disturbing that there are so many people with a pedophilious streak in Gosho's world. So not has he a strange ability to think up the most elaborate murder plans, he also likes little children. For God's sake, lock that man up already!
(There is nothing wrong with being a pedophile. It's not their fault they're attracted to children, they're just incredibly unfortunate. Basically they can only satisfy their need by rape and violation.)
I agree with you that much of that is personal preference. And you have every right to have different views from me.
Still, I think Ai is more capable of understanding Shinichi than Ran. But it's hard to say really and if you think differently that's cool with me.
I don't think, however, that you can honestly think that Ran developped her morals and beliefs COMPLETELY indepently from Shinichi.
I don't think, however, that you can honestly think that Ran developped her morals and beliefs COMPLETELY indepently from Shinichi.
Dus wrote:Basically, if you ARE attracted to them, you would be a pedophile. (at least to a degree)These exist, so yes there IS a chance. But it is highly unlikely and extremely disturbing that there are so many people with a pedophilious streak in Gosho's world. So not has he a strange ability to think up the most elaborate murder plans, he also likes little children. For God's sake, lock that man up already!
Dus wrote:I cleaned up the grammatical error in the passage about Gosho having the potential to be both a homicidal maniac and a pederast. Hope it's clearer now.
I completely agree with DetectivePrince about Ran's belief. That's pretty much sums it up.
@Kor: If it's the first part you're unsure about
If most people are not attracted to people they have known when these people were underage, then this means if childhood friends are attracted to each other then this is similiar to adults being attracted to little kids. It's a sexual deviation and not a pretty one.
Hope I could clear things up.
Dus wrote:@Kor: If it's the first part you're unsure about
If most people are not attracted to people they have known when these people were underage, then this means if childhood friends are attracted to each other then this is similiar to adults being attracted to little kids. It's a sexual deviation and not a pretty one.
Dus wrote:
Also, I don't really think Gosho goes around killing people and raping kids, it's called satire. (we should definitely keep an eye on him, though)

I doubt thatDus wrote:That was probably the best scene and one of the rare scenes where Shinichi dares to show his feelings. It shows that ShinRan can be more than the usual kitsch if Gosho wants to.
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