WARNING: M13 SPOILERS (Movie 13 Discussion Thread)

[Holmes]

First thing to say, I really liked the movie. I found it very interesting and well-thought.

I don´t know if this has been posted or asked, but I´m too lazy to read the 5 pages of this thread, so, anyones knows or "deduces" why didn´t Chianti and Korn shoot Takaigi and Satou. Was it only not to uncover themselves and the fact that they didn´t want the police to investigate?

Oh! and Irish´s eyebrows looked funny. 

[Akonyl]

Oh! and Irish´s eyebrows looked funny. 

reminded me of Big O

[ssjup81]

First thing to say, I really liked the movie. I found it very interesting and well-thought.

I don´t know if this has been posted or asked, but I´m too lazy to read the 5 pages of this thread, so, anyones knows or "deduces" why didn´t Chianti and Korn shoot Takaigi and Satou. Was it only not to uncover themselves and the fact that they didn´t want the police to investigate?

I figured they did that so as not to uncover themselves.  They were only told to slow them down, not kill them.  Besides, it would've been odd to kill off major supporting characters for a movie when it has no canon connection with the anime/manga.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

First thing to say, I really liked the movie. I found it very interesting and well-thought.

I don´t know if this has been posted or asked, but I´m too lazy to read the 5 pages of this thread, so, anyones knows or "deduces" why didn´t Chianti and Korn shoot Takaigi and Satou. Was it only not to uncover themselves and the fact that they didn´t want the police to investigate?

Shindou Sumire, the painter lady who was killed later, called the police and told them she had a lead on the serial murders (probably a correct one related to the elevator). Irish reported it to Gin who wanted to beat the police to the suspect so they could get the lead on the murderer - and the memory card - before the police could. Chianti and Korn delayed the police so that Gin and Vodka could get to the apartment and kidnap/kill Shindou before the police could get there, but the serial killer beat out the black coats.

[sexysmirk]

I don't think it is necessary to use spoiler tags for this topic anymore but I'll use them nonetheless.

Spoiler:

Any out of characterness was not terribly noticeable outside of maybe Gin (but I can't exactly explain why I thought he was out of character). The officers and inspectors interacting was amazing. Yamamoto and the older Yokomizo contiued to be comic relief Kogoro fans, Yamato didn't like Yamamoto at all. BETTER YET YAMATO AND HIS AWESOME CRUTCH OF BADASSNESS. I hope we see him in the anime again, he's maybe the best non-plot related, not dead, new character since like the 100s.

Also, the short scene with Heiji and Kazuha was great. Heiji almost fell out of a window. XD

The amount of continuity was amazing. The CELL PHONE ARC was actually relevent again. The scar case was subtly referenced, Pisco was pretty much seen as a mentor for Irish (and the way Conan tricked him with the flashlight watch reminded me of how Pisco was tricked with the voice changing bowtie, coincidence or good foreshadowing?), The Dark Knight from Desperate Revival, NOC, I believe they even referenced where the older Yokomizo was originally when Kogoro first met him.

I also liked how I didn't feel like the advertising for the movie was A COMPLETE LIE, like movie 5. The way the movie went didn't feel it had ADD and MOSTLY didn't seem like it went from one part of the plot to another at random and idiotic times, again, like movie 5.

The movie also did so much repairing for the characters. Mainly Ran and our favorite BO snipers. Ran got to kick ass against a Black Org. member who was disguised as the (presumably) really powerful Matsumoto and generally felt less pointless than usual (and they didn't overdo the obligatory Shinichi X Ran stuff, which is good as I was worried after Magic File 3). Korn and Chianti actually succeeded at something. They're clearly awesome (as assassins) but I can't remember them actually succeeding at anything they did. They murdered Irish in a couple of shots. Irish, who by the way, knocked out over half a dozen officers by himself, presumably without even being caught. And as ridiculous as the ending was, Gin, Vodka, Korn and Chianti are all awesome enough to escape an exploding helicopter in only a dozen or so seconds without anyone noticing. The Matsumoto thing surprised me because, despite thinking it was probably him (well either him or that new woman Inspector or Takagi), I didn't think they would actually do that. Because Irish, who btw was killed by clearly superior BO members in like 2 shots, was able to kidnap MATSU FN MOTO without Matsumoto seeing his face or anyone knowing for 10 days (Matsumoto is pretty awesome for surviving those 10 days btw). Also, it was nice to see more direct interaction between Conan and BO. Although, despite how awesome it was and how much he made sense in some ways, something felt wrong about Vermouth and Conan talking.

So while Conan is still clearly better than everyone (he is really the luckiest deus ex machina character ever) Conan > BO > ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE (assuming Yusaku doesn't interfere too much with the plot, of course)

So why are people complaining again?

It's only behind movie 2 and 6 as my favorite. 9/10.

After reading all of this, I'd have to say I agree.  Maybe I'm a bit more... I don't know, maybe strict is the word I'm looking for? I'd probably rate it 7/10. Movies 2 and 6 are two of my favorites, and this movie is up there with them. I think my only complaint might have been the middle of the movie, where it just kind of... slowed down. I might rewatch it later and decide. But after reading your comments, I'd have to say I agree with you.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

A quiz for you guys  ;D
(if you think this was already mentioned before, don't say anything)

Spoiler:

So.... who was the NOC?

Spoiler tags, please~

sorry - despoilered for easier searching.

The NOC is...
... the first victim, Jinno Shuuhei, age 43, the Touto University assistant professor. He owned the "pendant".  He represented Polaris and had an A for alpha on the back of his one circle piece. He was the man with the glasses.
I arrived at that conclusion by the process of elimination. Based on the items that Irish dumped out on the table, the odd necklace had to be the "keepsake" of Okakura Maasaki because the odd necklace didn't fit the description of any of the other items taken***, and the small brown wallet-like object was the "small bag" of Kaga Shizuka because if the small bag was the onamori, none of the other descriptions fit the brown wallet-like thing.

Later edit:
Thinking about it some more, I suppose Okakura's "pendant" could either be the omamori or the necklace as pendants are sometimes hung from chains. Ditto with Jinno's "keepsake" which could be either the necklace or the omamori. I guess the NOC could be either of them. I didn't try to translate any of the descriptions beyond what DCTP did to see if any say what was taken from who...

[TheBlind]

Just watched the movie and I'm going to file it in the "not so great" section. Being a "Black Org." movie already had set my expectations low because I knew that everything that was done in this movie would be either subtle or would be undone by the end. But even with that in mind I was disappointed in how the members were used in this movie, to be more specific, this movie over looked logic to make itself work with them and even outside that, none of the BIG scenes felt natural.

Scene 1

Spoiler:

First scene that felt forced was Vermouth's entrance. It was all based around the suspect actually taking someone hostage and that seemed foolish to me. What would of been the B.O.'s recourse if the suspect grabbed a different person( I know there wasn't another but that was pure luck) or he simply decided to just give himself up? In either of those scenario's the chip lands in the hand of the police(without Irish being around). Then there was Conan's tip off to suspect Vermouth, it actually makes Vermouth seem careless(something we know she's not) because if Conan easily noticed the bulge so would of the police officers and hadn't the girlfriend gone "stay away from my man or I'll cut you!" crazy, Vermouth would have no means of escape and the bulge could be questioned.

Scene 2

Spoiler:

Sato the magical detective,  ::). Yes I will admit I am a bit biased when it comes to Sato(due to her being oblivious to the point of no help sometimes) but NO ONE(excluding Conan cause he's magic) could form the deduction she did from the evidence she had. I don't even have to go into full detail but you don't start from "I think someone sabotaged our tires" and end up "OMG there is a SPY!". It just felt like a forced plot line for Scene 3.

Scene 3

Spoiler:

The Detective boys save the day.
The chances that the DBs were playing near Matsumoto's confinement spot- 1:1,000.
Chances that the person in charge of feeding Matsumoto actually was dumb enough to untie him so he could us his hands and create his SOS, 1:2,000.
Chances that one of the beetles would be on a person sitting in front of the DBs on a bus ride, 1:5,000.
Chances that the member in charge of Matsumoto would be dumb enough to leave a plugged in lamp for him to turn on and attract attention at night, 1:8,000.
Chances of all the above events happening in order and that Sato is super confident that Agasa's request is actually relevant to her unsupported "fake cop" suspicion, 1:100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000(00000000).
Seriously, that was just bad.

Last scene doesn't need tags because this one was just taste. Ran dodging the bullet, . Not only do they have her dodging the bullet, they actually give you the facts before hand making it more clearer to the view that there was NO way she could of dodge the bullet from that distance without breaking the laws of physics and reality. That scene would of been better if Irish said "that's right you are a karate expert..let's test you skills against mine" and put away the gun from the start than how it actually unfolded.
It makes it seem like a pity scene for Ran aka the (obligation Shinichi said scene) and makes Irish look like he has OCD because he had plenty of chances to pick up the gun again if he was committed to shot her, but he never did.
Which raised the question of "Why did he even try to shoot her in the first place if he has content with a brawl?"

The helicopter scene and no one questioning why the tower looked like a helicopter shot at it...not going to get into those. This movie was clearly one of those that you had to put away your logic(but the B.O. being involved made it hard to do so) to fully enjoy and unlike movie 5, which had all the high paced craziness going for it,(thus keeping the viewer from questioning anything until it was all over), Movie 13 moved at a slow pace which allowed you to question all the "bad" scenes immediately. Maybe if I watch it a second time I'll be able to appreciate the WHOLE movie but as of now I found it "enjoyable".

[ranger]

Just watched the movie and I'm going to file it in the "not so great" section. Being a "Black Org." movie already had set my expectations low because I knew that everything that was done in this movie would be either subtle or would be undone by the end. But even with that in mind I was disappointed in how the members were used in this movie, to be more specific, this movie over looked logic to make itself work with them and even outside that, none of the BIG scenes felt natural.

Scene 1

Spoiler:

First scene that felt forced was Vermouth's entrance. It was all based around the suspect actually taking someone hostage and that seemed foolish to me. What would of been the B.O.'s recourse if the suspect grabbed a different person( I know there wasn't another but that was pure luck) or he simply decided to just give himself up? In either of those scenario's the chip lands in the hand of the police(without Irish being around). Then there was Conan's tip off to suspect Vermouth, it actually makes Vermouth seem careless(something we know she's not) because if Conan easily noticed the bulge so would of the police officers and hadn't the girlfriend gone "stay away from my man or I'll cut you!" crazy, Vermouth would have no means of escape and the bulge could be questioned.

Scene 2

Spoiler:

Sato the magical detective,  . Yes I will admit I am a bit biased when it comes to Sato(due to her being oblivious to the point of no help sometimes) but NO ONE(excluding Conan cause he's magic) could form the deduction she did from the evidence she had. I don't even have to go into full detail but you don't start from "I think someone sabotaged our tires" and end up "OMG there is a SPY!". It just felt like a forced plot line for Scene 3.

Scene 3

Spoiler:

The Detective boys save the day.
The chances that the DBs were playing near Matsumoto's confinement spot- 1:1,000.
Chances that the person in charge of feeding Matsumoto actually was dumb enough to untie him so he could us his hands and create his SOS, 1:2,000.
Chances that one of the beetles would be on a person sitting in front of the DBs on a bus ride, 1:5,000.
Chances that the member in charge of Matsumoto would be dumb enough to leave a plugged in lamp for him to turn on and attract attention at night, 1:8,000.
Chances of all the above events happening in order and that Sato is super confident that Agasa's request is actually relevant to her unsupported "fake cop" suspicion, 1:100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000(00000000).
Seriously, that was just bad.

Last scene doesn't need tags because this one was just taste. Ran dodging the bullet, . Not only do they have her dodging the bullet, they actually give you the facts before hand making it more clearer to the view that there was NO way she could of dodge the bullet from that distance without breaking the laws of physics and reality. That scene would of been better if Irish said "that's right you are a karate expert..let's test you skills against mine" and put away the gun from the start than how it actually unfolded.
It makes it seem like a pity scene for Ran aka the (obligation Shinichi said scene) and makes Irish look like he has OCD because he had plenty of chances to pick up the gun again if he was committed to shot her, but he never did.
Which raised the question of "Why did he even try to shoot her in the first place if he has content with a brawl?"

The helicopter scene and no one questioning why the tower looked like a helicopter shot at it...not going to get into those. This movie was clearly one of those that you had to put away your logic(but the B.O. being involved made it hard to do so) to fully enjoy and unlike movie 5, which had all the high paced craziness going for it,(thus keeping the viewer from questioning anything until it was all over), Movie 13 moved at a slow pace which allowed you to question all the "bad" scenes immediately. Maybe if I watch it a second time I'll be able to appreciate the WHOLE movie but as of now I found it "enjoyable".

omg, blindy only found movie 13 "enjoyable"?

grrr..


>:(

The movie definetely has its flaws, but I really don't think it's that bad.  The helicopter blowing up was kinda retarded...and yes Sato all knowing was kinda iffy too, but comee ooonnn.

The past 7 movies IMO sucked way more than this one.  And you gotta give em credit for tying the movie into certain cases in the anime/manga.  I still think the raven chaser is the best movie so far XD

[inlovekm]

I wonder about the woman "ogino Ayami" [00:12:51] she behaves strangely.....o_O

[TheBlind]

omg, blindy only found movie 13 "enjoyable"?

grrr..


>:(

The movie definetely has its flaws, but I really don't think it's that bad.  The helicopter blowing up was kinda retarded...and yes Sato all knowing was kinda iffy too, but comee ooonnn.

The past 7 movies IMO sucked way more than this one.  And you gotta give em credit for tying the movie into certain cases in the anime/manga.  I still think the raven chaser is the best movie so far XD

You have a point in saying that the last few movies weren't any better but I guess it's the Black Org being involved in this one that makes me judge it more harshly. I'll have to give it another watch ignoring the probability of "certain" scenes. .

....Actually now I'm wondering why the hell didn't Kir get an appearance?  It would of been more fitting for Kir to give Conan the information Vermouth did...but that Vermouth scene was awesome...cause she's awesome so..yeah I don't know where I'm going with this. 

[ranger]

omg, blindy only found movie 13 "enjoyable"?

grrr..


>:(

The movie definetely has its flaws, but I really don't think it's that bad.  The helicopter blowing up was kinda retarded...and yes Sato all knowing was kinda iffy too, but comee ooonnn.

The past 7 movies IMO sucked way more than this one.  And you gotta give em credit for tying the movie into certain cases in the anime/manga.  I still think the raven chaser is the best movie so far XD

You have a point in saying that the last few movies weren't any better but I guess it's the Black Org being involved in this one that makes me judge it more harshly. I'll have to give it another watch ignoring the probability of "certain" scenes. .

....Actually now I'm wondering why the hell didn't Kir get an appearance?  It would of been more fitting for Kir to give Conan the information Vermouth did...but that Vermouth scene was awesome...cause she's awesome so..yeah I don't know where I'm going with this. 

Vermouth is super sexy and she's just awesome?  I think that's where you were headed.
Kir or any other FBI/CIA members would of have been a neat addition, but I'm hoping in a future movie it'll be an FBI case, with akai and jodie and james black.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

....Actually now I'm wondering why the hell didn't Kir get an appearance?  It would of been more fitting for Kir to give Conan the information Vermouth did...but that Vermouth scene was awesome...cause she's awesome so..yeah I don't know where I'm going with this.  ;D

Movie 12's release date corresponded with around chapter 647 if I remember correctly. They wouldn't have stuck a teaser at the end of F.S.o.F if they didn't already have a working idea of what movie 13 would be about. I assume the general story for M13 had gotten an OK by that point. 647 is pretty close to the end of Kir's arc which is 621. The script writer might have wanted to shy away from putting Kir (or Bourbon) in even as cameos because at the time of the script writing, it wasn't clear how Kir's status might develop in the new arc. I suppose you can draw a comparison to Vermouth's absence in movie 5. She appeared about two years before movie 5 hit theaters. (based on tankobon release dates) While her arc was still ongoing at the time of the release, she technically could have cameoed without interfering with her storyline.

[kkslider5552000]

I still think it's because Conan is Vermouth's Silver Bullet.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I still think it's because Conan is Vermouth's Silver Bullet.

I agree it was a better choice to have Vermouth be the bean spiller than Kir, but I'm just commenting on the absence of Kir in general.

[Conia]

FINALLY FINISHED TO READ 6 PAGES OF HUGE SPOILERS TAGS!

The flaws of the movie have been pointed out,so i'll just write my opinion:)
Here I go:

-Vermouth being nice to Conan... WTF!!! he can be the Silver Bullet, he and Ran may had saved her life... Still, she is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much kind to Conan...

-Ran dodging a bullet: AWESOME! hehe... Also, DC has found a rival who can stand a fight with Ran (that never happened...i think)

-Helicopter scene: The helicopter was REALLY high to notice what the hell was going on... it's obvious that people would notice the heli, but perhaps they wouldn't understand why was that heli there, moreover, they wouldn't notice the guns being fired right away...

-Conan murderer : I really don't get why people say that... Conan attacked the BO helicopter to stop them... Also, Conan would know, in fact we all SHOULD know, that a helicopter crash won't kill Gin or any other BO member... Also, the heli was from the BO, I'm postive that it had parachutes,ejection seats, and all the things needed to handle a situation like that...

Kir: Why she didn't appeared? check the intro of the movie, Conan was with the BO boss email adress issue, Kir showed up after that arc...


PS: Stop using spoilers!! plz