What is your favorite DC couple?

[Umandsf]

That animation you used on the last page...just what is that supposed to prove anyway?

[Girl19]

That animation you used on the last page...just what is that supposed to prove anyway?

That when we don't see the obvious, we need glasses.
Just a way to express what I think anyway.

[Umandsf]

Um, okay.

[James Rye]

You are still fighting over that?
Okay, my opinion to this matter. My opinion! Not facts or anything else, okay? XD

First off, Shinichi and Heiji do have intuition (for their cases), they (just?) lack knowledge in women and given the fact (OMG! I USED THE WORD FACT! DON`TKILL ME!) that both never had a girlfriend, are dense in love matters and shy when it comes to admitting i don´t really wonder about it.

Next, Ai Haibara is also as much as intuition as Ran Mori. I´m not talking about the BO thing that´s more a sixth sense and it weakend over the peaceful time she had with Coann, Agasa and the DBs. For example (OMG! I USED ANOTHER WORD FFOR FACTS! DON`T KILL ME!) Ai only needed a look at Ran´s chocolate cookies to see the sad time she must have had when making them, even Conan didn´t see that until Ai pointed it out (First time btw, where he said that she has times where she acts like a girl. Her answer was even better. XD). Another time was the hospital thing when Ran said she has the same blood type as Conan but actually only know the one Shinichi had. Ai didn´t seemed to be surprised to hear that (Agasa and Kogoro were) and given the fact (OMG!...okay, that´s getting old now.) that this was the first time she has seen Ran, it means she has read it from her expression when she ran besides Conan and the doctors. Also a volume later, Ai gives Conan a third choice cause she already know how he would act and she said to him that it´s easy for her to read his mind on his face (like a book or soemthing), so she must have an intuition too.
In my opinion of cource. My opinion!

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[Melissa]

I don't think we are fighting. lol
Well not me anyway.

It's really late for me to give you a good answer now so I think I will come back tomorrow.
I think when I read your intervention, James, that I didn't explain my last messages really well.
So I have to reread everything and try to say it in another way.

Because I didn't want to say that Haibara hasn't intuition as a fact.
I'm sorry if I made you confused with my explanation. I will think about it again tomorrow or friday.

I'm still looking for your opinion about the arguments of the girls intuitions. I still don't understand where I failed in this explanation.
So I'll say you good night
See you soon.

[Girl19]

You are still fighting over that?

Why is it everytime 2 persons are debating or discussing opposing opinions, people think they are fighting?

[Conia]

DCTP Forum + 2 Members Discussing = WAR!!

[Abs.]

So I think, and this is just my opinion, but I think that THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS 

But good point about the author of the fan books.

[Ezio]

1. AokoXKaito (check out my sig) 
2. ShinichiXRan
3. HeijiXKazuha
4. TakagiXSato
5. AiXConan

[Umandsf]

Ah, this must be some of the action that my friend told me about. Fun to see differing opinions.

[mangaluva]

So I think, and this is just my opinion, but I think that THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS 

chilll, peoples.  8)

[kkslider5552000]

You are still fighting over that?

Why is it everytime 2 persons are debating or discussing opposing opinions, people think they are fighting?

considering how most of the time it's me vs. some fangirl and said fangirl always takes everything I say seriously, it ends up as a fight

somehow!

[Girl19]

DCTP Forum + 2 Members Discussing = WAR!!

DCTP Forum + 2 Members Discussing = OTHER MEMBERS MISTAKING IT FO A WAR!!

So I think, and this is just my opinion, but I think that THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS  :o

OMG really??

Ah, this must be some of the action that my friend told me about. Fun to see differing opinions.

A forum without action = fail. 8)

considering how most of the time it's me vs. some fangirl and said fangirl always takes everything I say seriously, it ends up as a fight

somehow!

Too bad I always seem to miss these fights.
Somehow!

[Melissa]

Ok, so I thought about all these stuff yesterday evening and this message may finally be one of my last message on this forum.

I will try to explain one more time my point of view AND my feelings (which are 2 differents things) about all this question.

So first thing, and I'm talking to everybody on this forum, I don't plan to stay on this forum because this is the 3rd time I heard that people are fighting when they just have a discussion. I observed there are massive flood on this forum and I told in another post that I'm just not interested in flooding. I'm here to have discussion about DC fans, even they accept or not my opinion. But, when I see the reactions, it's just bothering to see that people consider you are just fighting just because you disagree with someone else.  :-\

I want to talk about many subjects. And of course I'm interested in everybody's answers. So if you have something to tell, fell free to do it.

considering how most of the time it's me vs. some fangirl and said fangirl always takes everything I say seriously, it ends up as a fight

You don't have fight when you accept to consider other's people answers and you won't fight if you can give some arguments. That doesn't mean you are always right. Everybody says wrong things sometimes. But if you just avoid talking just because you are afraid someone doesn't agree with you, you will never have the chance to talk about DC. Well, that's my opinion anyway.  :)

DCTP Forum + 2 Members Discussing = WAR!!

Still I'm thinking I wasn't fighting with Girl19 (even if I mostly disagree with her explanation), this intervention makes me feel like leaving this forum.
I don't think I have been rude or anything. I just tried to answer some questions.  ???

So I came back on my own explanation about the discussion. I re-read the topic and I found a lack of explanation in my own messages. So let's try to tell them in another way.

But I think that Ran and Kazuha are really sensitive and have INTUITION. And that what the 2 detectives lack a lot.
I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl. She's intelligent and acts as an observer but I can't see any chemistry between her and Shinichi.

I guess my explanations on this part was too short and actually I just wanted to express a feeling about Haibara and yes, you were rught when you said I mixed some differents things. I'm sorry, I didn't want to confuse anyone. I wasn't just really clear.  :-\

I was at the beginning talking about the girls. I think they are INTUITIVE.
If I take the 2 detectives, I think they are both more logical and realistic than intuitive. And if you think they are intuitive, can you give me some concrete examples? If I say they are not intuitive, I don't mean they NEVER have intuitive reactions. I'm talking about a general behavior. Usually, when Heiji and Shinichi analyse a case they are talking about concrete things: They observe the situation, they analyze every points under a rational way and they deduct a result. That's the way they usually procede.

First off, Shinichi and Heiji do have intuition (for their cases), they (just?) lack knowledge in women and given the fact (OMG! I USED THE WORD FACT! DON`TKILL ME!) that both never had a girlfriend, are dense in love matters and shy when it comes to admitting i don´t really wonder about it.

Is it really a lack of knowledge about women? because they can understand pretty well the relationship when that's not about their own love matters.
I'm still looking for examples about Hei and Shin having intuition for their case. I don't want to say you are wrong or something. We are talking and I just don't remind any good example.

For example (OMG! I USED ANOTHER WORD FFOR FACTS! DON`T KILL ME!) Ai only needed a look at Ran´s chocolate cookies to see the sad time she must have had when making them, even Conan didn´t see that until Ai pointed it out (First time btw, where he said that she has times where she acts like a girl. Her answer was even better. XD). Another time was the hospital thing when Ran said she has the same blood type as Conan but actually only know the one Shinichi had. Ai didn´t seemed to be surprised to hear that (Agasa and Kogoro were) and given the fact (OMG!...okay, that´s getting old now.) that this was the first time she has seen Ran, it means she has read it from her expression when she ran besides Conan and the doctors. Also a volume later, Ai gives Conan a third choice cause she already know how he would act and she said to him that it´s easy for her to read his mind on his face (like a book or soemthing), so she must have an intuition too.

Thank you for your answer. I won't kill you. I just waited these kind of examples.
Actually I'm not a Ai fan so I lack some informations about this character.
But this answer is pretty clear and I don't have anything to say about it.

Anyway, I said in the first message which was so confused I didn't feel her intuitive:

I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl.
That's just the way I see and feel it. There wasn't any argumentation in that.

So you see, I'm not rejected your explanation if you gave me some evidences and examples.

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I thought you were in majority on this forum?  :)

So I think, and this is just my opinion, but I think that THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS    

But good point about the author of the fan books.

Thank you for your answer. Even it's short, it's better than nothing.

Now I will try to answer Girl19's last messages:

Just because they use rational explanations to solve cases, it doesn't mean they aren't intuitive. And the fact that Conan doesn't realise Haibara's feelings for him has nothing to do with intuition. I think you're mixing a lot of things here.
And you say: "they don't understand their relationship problems", what do you mean by that? o_O

I just don't have any examples in mind about the guys which can give me some examples they are intuitives. Maybe you could help me with that?
For Haibara, if you say the fact he doesn't realise she has feeling for him has nothing to do with intuition, so how do you explain it?
For the last sentence, this is a mistake: I wanted to say "their love matters" (this word seems to be more correct)

As I said, Shinichi and Heiji can sense who the culprit is before having the right proof.
Haibara can sense that too sometimes + her BO "radar".

Well, can you give some concrete examples? Because I think they usually deduct who the culprit is but the just don't have any good proof for it.
They can analyse the facts and deduct (logicaly) that a man/woman is the culprit but not having a good evidence for the investigation. That was the case in the file with Heiji and Kazuha in vol 21 > they knew who the culprit was but they needed to catch him by surprise to get the evidence.
You may have some examples to show your point of view to me?

- Volume 21 when Kazuha realizes about the pendant of the young guy of the mansion is the same as Kaede's one.
- Volume 47 when Ran and Kazuha noticed the shadow of the vase was weird but couldn't explain exactly how
- Volume 55 when Kazuha has the feeling there something strange with the last words Heiji told her before going to the island
- Each time Ran senses Conan = Shinichi (I think you 3 or 4 cases just for that and many examples which explains her reaction) > recently she also noticed that's strange Shinichi touched Hattori's talisman in the Shiragami files.
- Volume 63 When Ran has the feeling Shinichi is near her. She always senses when Shinichi is near her in this files (when he helps her in the small house, and when the Shiragami appears in front of everyone).
- During the Matsuda files, when Ran have a "telepathy" (sic) reaction with Shinichi when the town is in danger.
-  And others in different files... I know I forgot some examples but i don't have time to check any further.

Those examples you gave don't show the possible "intuitive side" of Kazuha and Ran you're trying to prove. They either show that they can be observant too at times, or that they know someone (in this case Heiji and Shinichi) very well. It's normal that Ran suspects Conan, it's not intuition, it's called "knowing someone too well" since she knew him since childhood. Actually, if Ran hadn't suspected him, I would have been shocked.

The definition you gave me is: "Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition."

Random Examples :
"- Volume 47 when Ran and Kazuha noticed the shadow of the vase was weird but couldn't explain exactly how"
> the sense the shadow was different but can't explain how > faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes

"- During the Matsuda files, when Ran have a "telepathy" (sic) reaction with Shinichi when the town is in danger."
> she feels there is a danger, she knows it and it's something related to Shinichi but she can't explain it > faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes

"- Volume 55 when Kazuha has the feeling there something strange with the last words Heiji told her before going to the island
+ actually in the same case, you can see Kazuha having a strange feeling when the girl (don't remember her name) says she likes Hattori's character."
> in these 2 examples you also have the definition part.

So I really don't understand your last answer.

I will stop here for today because I have some lessons to prepare for today.
I really hope this message is more clear than my last ones.

[Abs.]

Fact: Humor translates very, very poorly.