
dolly94 wrote:I don't understand why this movie grossed higher than the darkest nightmare.
Haibara & Aika ryona wrote:dolly94 wrote:I don't understand why this movie grossed higher than the darkest nightmare.
I really love Romances, but this movie is boring. But Still, it is much better than that Awful Nightmare Movie. That was movie Is SO Nightmare
Spimer wrote:Because it's got the big romances ShinRan and HeiKazu and japanese fandom prefer a focus on romance more than on plot or BO.
So that's what makes this film have a higher grossing than M20: it had exactly what they wanted.
Also, unlike us Western fans, they aren't so demanding out of the movies or wanting to pinpoint flaws with script or so but rather to treasure it and enjoy the ride, some admit they go more than once to the theaters to see it again because they liked it so much.
dolly94 wrote:Haibara & Aika ryona wrote:dolly94 wrote:I don't understand why this movie grossed higher than the darkest nightmare.
I really love Romances, but this movie is boring. But Still, it is much better than that Awful Nightmare Movie. That was movie Is SO Nightmare
It differs in what ppl like. I also like Romance, but M21 was boring that's why I don't understand why they liked it that much. Still, darkest nightmare was good imo.
Haibara & Aika ryona wrote:dolly94 wrote:Haibara & Aika ryona wrote:dolly94 wrote:I don't understand why this movie grossed higher than the darkest nightmare.
I really love Romances, but this movie is boring. But Still, it is much better than that Awful Nightmare Movie. That was movie Is SO Nightmare
It differs in what ppl like. I also like Romance, but M21 was boring that's why I don't understand why they liked it that much. Still, darkest nightmare was good imo.
Yup, I also love Romances, and sure that the movie number 21 is so boring, and I bored from when I reached the half time of it. But it is much better than that nightmare movie. That movie is so so so so awful more than I imagined
Kor wrote:Lastly, the entire met-in-childhood love rival is still one of the worst decisions ever and it's unfortunate we now need to tolerate the existence of this character in the manga too.
Kor wrote:There has to be some combination of a writer, director, editor, etc. who can probably execute something like that in an okay manner (at least the love rival aspect. The met-once-in-childhood is a very sketchy element that is very hard to take seriously because the idea that someone will be so completely infatuated with someone they met once as kids, reads awful on paper.) So yes, it being a thing by Gosho is one reason why this doesn't work, though I'd argue it has nothing to do with it being post or pre Vermouth or whatnot.
The dude simply isn't good at writing romance, and no matter how many times he refers to this sort of thing as a "romantic comedy", it's not really romantic and it's definitely not comedic.
At the same time, there's also the part of me that doesn't really care all that much for romantic subplots in general. I can appreciate it when it's done right, or they're part of the core center of the movie (on the anime side of things, some ghibli movies come to mind). There are times, however, in which romantic subplots (or... romance related tangents) are inserted for no real reason other than... shoeing in a romance or give the hero a girlfriend/boyfriend cause you think people expect your hero to have a girlfriend/boyfriend by the end of the film. (Some super hero movies come to mind here. These things can function perfectly well without trying to sell some cheap love interest that doesn't make the movie better in any shape or form).
So it's not that "love rival" equals "bad", it's just that many times in fiction these sort of tangents can be fairly gratuitous (which is definitely the case when it comes to Momiji and most of the romance subplots in this series. When it comes down to it, even Kazuha is a bit of an unnecessary entity as she serves no other function besides being that chick who'll be Heiji's girlfriend by the end.)
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:Since you named Ghibli on the animation side, may I ask which mangakas (if this term isn't a misnomer, on my part) you consider to be good at writing romance?
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So it really is the worst of both worlds—bad concept (met-once-in-childhood) plus bad execution.
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:So we're left with characters who aren't really (complex and developed) characters (with well-conceived and well-executed story arcs), but (sub)plot devices which are 1) wastes of potential and 2) distractions from the things that weren't immediately considered to be badly conceived and badly executed, right?
Kor wrote:Lastly, the entire met-in-childhood love rival is still one of the worst decisions ever and it's unfortunate we now need to tolerate the existence of this character in the manga too.
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