Detective Conan Movie 20: "The Darkest Nightmare" (2016)

[Ran-dezvous]

Movie 20 to be released in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines (YES, FINALLY!) this July:

https://www.facebook.com/ODEXanime/phot ... 57/?type=3

*dies from hype*

[frankguo8]

With the movie of course the BO cases are gonna be forced into the plot cause it's not manga central story. I don't know why you guys are not getting it I keep repeating myself: MOVIE does not effect MANGA. so of course whatever happens in the movie stays in the movie and the ending and plot is always contained. REAL BATTLE WITH BO is NEVER GONNA HAPPEN in the MOVIE.

I don't know why you are shouting once again that movies do not effect the manga. Nothing in my post had anything to do with the manga, so it's weird you bring it up again. It could be that you are arguing against a strawman, stop arguing against a strawman (I can assure you most of the members here know perfectly well the movies don't affect the manga). You may want to knock it off with the attitude, though.

oh and case wise, the actual cases in Conan movies after movie 6 have always been pretty bad save for a few. So there's nothing to be mad about, it's been like that since 2003. Gosho is the only one that can come up with a good case. I don't konw if anyone's noticed but the movie cases never have much tircks when killing someone. No lock room mystery or any schemes to disguise the murderer.

No one is mad about anything actually. But "cases have been bad in general" isn't really a good defense for the movie. It's an apologia.

then why do I keep seeing people complaining about movie 13?

[MoonRaven]

then why do I keep seeing people complaining about movie 13?

Because it got a huge hype with BO in and all and then didn't live up to the expectations?

[kkslider5552000]

then why do I keep seeing people complaining about movie 13?

Because it got a huge hype with BO in and all and then didn't live up to the expectations?

weirdly I had the complete opposite reaction, as I went in EXPECTING to be disappointed and actually really enjoyed myself.

[Doito4869]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

[Serinox]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

Nah, it's probably just Vodka not liking the idea of blowing Kir's and Bourbon's brain out right now. Maybe he's not convinced enough they are NOCs yet or if he is, maybe he doesn't think they should kill them.

[Doito4869]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

Nah, it's probably just Vodka not liking the idea of blowing Kir's and Bourbon's brain out right now. Maybe he's not convinced enough they are NOCs yet or if he is, maybe he doesn't think they should kill them.

But it would be an interesting plot twist... Aoyama Gosho needs to give Vodka more scenes anyways. I can't figure out Vodka's character cause usually he's smiling next to Gin when they're going about or when he hears about Gin's plans and they work. He's more skeptical about certain things though. The way he's portrayed just makes him seem like Gin's lackey instead of a bonafide Black Organization agent recruited because he actually has skills.

[k11chi]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

Nah, it's probably just Vodka not liking the idea of blowing Kir's and Bourbon's brain out right now. Maybe he's not convinced enough they are NOCs yet or if he is, maybe he doesn't think they should kill them.

But it would be an interesting plot twist... Aoyama Gosho needs to give Vodka more scenes anyways. I can't figure out Vodka's character cause usually he's smiling next to Gin when they're going about or when he hears about Gin's plans and they work. He's more skeptical about certain things though. The way he's portrayed just makes him seem like Gin's lackey instead of a bonafide Black Organization agent recruited because he actually has skills.

He`s just a hitman not a skilled member.

[Serinox]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

Nah, it's probably just Vodka not liking the idea of blowing Kir's and Bourbon's brain out right now. Maybe he's not convinced enough they are NOCs yet or if he is, maybe he doesn't think they should kill them.

But it would be an interesting plot twist... Aoyama Gosho needs to give Vodka more scenes anyways. I can't figure out Vodka's character cause usually he's smiling next to Gin when they're going about or when he hears about Gin's plans and they work. He's more skeptical about certain things though. The way he's portrayed just makes him seem like Gin's lackey instead of a bonafide Black Organization agent recruited because he actually has skills.

But that's the point, Vodka is Gin's lackey, a mere goon; an elevated goon, sure, since he is basically Gin's right hand man + driver and has a codename, because working with Gin on all these confidential matters probably isn't a task you'd give to someone without a codename, but he is still a goon. That is his character.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Err... This is pure conjecture, but would Vodka be a NOC? Cause in the trailer, right before you see Kir and Bourbon back to back when Gin points the gun at them, you see Vodka's face for a split second like he's going "Tch", as if he's been caught. And you can clearly see that when Gin starts to point the gun at them, that Vodka right next to them, along with somebody who seems like Vermouth on the other side of Bourbon and Kir. Plus, later in the helicopter scene, you see Gin, Chianti, and Korn, but you don't see Vodka anywhere else. Is it just that Gin starts becoming paranoid about everybody and suspects them all while they're in what looks like a warehouse or could this actually be possible?

Nah, it's probably just Vodka not liking the idea of blowing Kir's and Bourbon's brain out right now. Maybe he's not convinced enough they are NOCs yet or if he is, maybe he doesn't think they should kill them.

But it would be an interesting plot twist... Aoyama Gosho needs to give Vodka more scenes anyways. I can't figure out Vodka's character cause usually he's smiling next to Gin when they're going about or when he hears about Gin's plans and they work. He's more skeptical about certain things though. The way he's portrayed just makes him seem like Gin's lackey instead of a bonafide Black Organization agent recruited because he actually has skills.

But that's the point, Vodka is Gin's lackey, a mere goon; an elevated goon, sure, since he is basically Gin's right hand man + driver and has a codename, because working with Gin on all these confidential matters probably isn't a task you'd give to someone without a codename, but he is still a goon. That is his character.

Some think that, with the events of Scarlet Showdown, and Bourbon's true allegiance—with two arcs in a row focusing on NOC characters... a ten year focus on NOCs, in other words—that DC is in danger of turning into The Man Who Was Yesterday, and the BO's status as the big bad criminal organization is being ruined. Hence, we get people worried about Vodka, and even Gin being a NOC, even though the latter, especially, is an absurd notion. If Gosho had wanted to take this route, he would've dropped far more hints about Gin, Vodka, Chianti, Korn, etc., actually being NOCs—he's not going to have no hints towards such a twist and then turn around and say, "Hey, the BO is comprised of NOCs!"

Point is, I get why there are fears of and questions about this, but, seriously—how probable is this twist? Is the Bourbon arc's quality, compared to all the ones before it, coupled with its length, a basis for legitimately fearing this twist?

Maybe I should just make a thread that asks, how can DC get worse, and much, much worse, especially, because right now, it just seems that the Bourbon arc's length and quality is the cause of this fear (and a bunch of other ones, perhaps).

[Kor]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... en/.102912

[DCUniverseAficionado]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... en/.102912

And where does this rank, in terms of the all-time highest grossing films in Japan, if you don't mind me asking?

[Wakarimashita]

#100

http://www.kogyotsushin.com/archives/alltime/

[DCUniverseAficionado]

#100

http://www.kogyotsushin.com/archives/alltime/

Wow, it actually made the top 100? That's pretty good.

[boruto]

Just watched the movie yesterday and it's really up to my expectation!

I think the decision to make use of that rotor plane is not like Gin at all ... Vermouth was right that it's too explicit nevertheless I still like the situation that corners Amuro to work with Akai.

Also happy that they got the ferris wheel idea from Singapore Flyer .. the place i've always go for run!