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@AICHAn
Thank you so much for the cookies! *eats them all* ;D
And it´s quite easy to have that time, just don´t sleep. :D

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Hm, i wonder how my prof for sociology would react if i give him a 20 page strong essay about the social life in DC. Maybe  i would ace it but i didn´t thought of it yet. XDDD

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Ugh, it´s okay... i can take critisme... *sniff* *eats the rest of the yummy cookies from Say-chan*

Also when was i a good boy and was there any need to be afraid of me? :-X
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Now, really... I think it was a quite sharp overview of Conan/Shinichi true personality.


BTW, I'm new to this forums, though I've read this whole thread (really!) and you seem to be a bunch of crazy interesting people. Nice to meet you.  ;)
Dang, do i have the permission to download that pic on my pc? It´s awesome! Great idea, i approve of Ai cookies hand-made by Ai-chan. :-[
And wb to dctp, hope you will have fun here.^g^
Thank you very much btw.^^
Also woah for reading all pages! OO
How long did you actually needed till the end?

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After the fails of the others i will use the forum against itself, i will conquer it with my posts! 8)
The only prob would be the time and the amount of posts..... :P
Thank you very much, i was kinda high when i wrote it though so i wasn´t certain if i wrote crap or not, but looks like it´s not so bad after all.^.^

I came to the same conclusion, but i let that out cause then i would have wrote even more.^^"
Yesterday i readed a ff about another "impossible" couple (not talking about Aicon XD) and in there we had a boy, a girl who loves him since years (of cource in the original her and him were the cannon couple) and another girl who the boy knows since a year. Long speech made short, boy comes together with newly known girl cause he felt that she sees him as himself and not as the "posterboy/hero" like all the others als the other girl in love with him do.
Well, it comes how i comes and he ends up at the other girls house with his gf and the girl who loved him since years asked him why he didn´t chose her and kisses him! I don´t wanna wrote more about it, i just gonna quote two sentences:

1."How can you claim to love someone you know almost nothing about? You simply can't do it." (from the gf, it was after the other girl wasn´t able to answer some personally questions regarding the boy who she knows and loves for years like she said herself)

2."You really don't know me like you think you do. You just like the idea of me because of who I am. You should move on you might be passing up someone who would really want to be with you." (from the boy)

I don´t say that would go 100% with Ranichi, cause there are too many diferences, however i do see some similarities. Do you too? :)

For first, Ran knows alot of Shinichi or we do think so, but apparetlenty she herselfs don´t think so. For example the thing with his "first love" and the cake or that she´s afraid to not regonize him anymore when he comes back. She knows pretty much everything about the "Shinichi Kudo" he try to be before her, i refer on my "long post ;D " where i guess that he mostly isn´t truly honest with Ran about himself and plays an act of the always cool, admirable and overconfident detective who would be a great catch for every girl. ::)

But the "other" Shinichi Kudo who´s also there, just deep hidden inside him and his role is another topic. She probably doesn´t know much about it, probably nothing. I (it´s hypothetical) guess, she would be even surprised when he would tell her of that side. She said she realized her feelings after the indicent in NY where Shinichi held his speech about "No reason needed to save someone." So she felt in love with his warm, caring and protecting side regardless who he/she is, which is overpowered by his act of the cool hero who can do anything.

The other side which probably also exist of his fears and unsure feelings, she never saw a glimpse of it cause he always tried to hide it right away from her. He doesn´t want her to know/see it cause maybe he believes she would like him less if she would know, that she would loss faith in him when seeing his weak side.
Though she probably has a faint hunch that he´s not telling her everything regarding her and i don´t mean the part about him being Conan and when he saw her naked. XD
She asked herself why he didn´t trusted her several times and though he was always able to destory those thoughts, they come back. Maybe she does  assume that there´s something about Shinichi he doesn´t want her to know/see, maybe not. That´s just a guess of mine.^g^

There were times in the manga where Ran couldn´t believe when she heard/sees Shinichi acting unlike him like she knows and love him. The one where she refused to listen at him at the phone for example when she thought somethink that it was unlike him to demand something like that or a bit later when the police told her how he was in panic on the phone, she couldn´t really imaging it are good examples that it has some substitance that she doesn´t know this side of him (if it really exist of cource :P ).

About the second... well, seeing the one you love every day in your life should gives you the feeling to know almost all of him also she´s his best friend (at that time before Conan´s time^^), then he suddenly disappeared and changed into someone who´s made quite a few changes of his old personality. I dunno if that would left her untouched, she loves him strongly and love is (mostly, not always) able to bear everything, but she told Conan herself that´s she afraid of him (Shinichi) changing. The few times where she had meet Shinichi were almost like old times, he falls back into his old role, but sometimes you see some glimpse of the changes which he made thanks to his experiences. I guess it will be harder for him every time to play his role he made for himself as longer as he is Conan Edogawa.

On the other hand was if Ran really loved Shinichi Kudo as he "was" (the idea of him), as the cool, responsible, always there for her detective who´s full of himself and over-confident, but she´s sure to be able to fix that.
About the Shinichi Kudo who he "will" be at the end of DC, when the BO is down and he has solved all his adventures, we do know nothing about. But we can be sure he won´t be like at the very beginning anymore. It would seem strange when he would start to be a jerk again cause of his many female fans or being unable to confess his true feelings or whatever else you want to add to that list. How Ran will react to that change is also unclear. Maybe nothing will change at all, who knows it after all besides Gosho of cource?

So how about Ai/Shiho? Is she in a "better" position then Ran to understand Shinichi? Personally i would say yes. Is she in a better situation to love and be loved by Shinichi? Hardly, no. Like you said without Ran there would be a possibility of a deeper relationship, but maybe we don´t need to go that far. Anything depends on how Shinichi and Shiho will react/act when they meet each other for the first time. If she lefts an impression on him, then maybe there´s a tiny winy little chance of hope. If he could care less about her as Shiho, then well, then we still have FFs, fanart and AMVs.....

She knows him for hardly a year (?), has seen a side of him she didn´t expected (but find it impressing none the less) and Ran didn´t saw so far cause Shinichi doesn´t want her to see this side of him. Does knowing has anything to do with love? Hm, dunno. That can be different for any couple, but for here i would say it plays quite an important role.^g^

Shiho probably felt in love with him for the same reasons as Ran, but she saw a side of him Ran didn´t/couldn´t saw cause of Shinichis behaviour. She even pitied him cause of it and for myself, i have a hard time to imagine Ran to pity Shinichi cause well, all she was supposed to do before was to be angry at him, worried over him, admiring him, relaying on him and and and, but pity him wasn´t part of it.
And somehow i have the feeling that Conan/Shinichi really needs someone who pities him for what he is and for what he chosed to do.

Maybe their relationship is partly so special cause Ai (the criminal, the one who "ruined" his life with her invention) is the one who actually pities him while he (the victim of her poison and a detective who´s all for truth and justice) is protecting her and trust her.

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Thanks for the welcome.  :)
James Rye wrote:Dang, do i have the permission to download that pic on my pc? It´s awesome! Great idea, i approve of Ai cookies hand-made by Ai-chan. Embarrassed
And wb to dctp, hope you will have fun here.^g^
Thank you very much btw.^^
Also woah for reading all pages! OO
How long did you actually needed till the end?
Of course you can download the pic or whatever you want... It's Gosho's work, I just edited the text. :D
Thinking about Ai hand-made cookies, if there's a Ranichi ending (99,99% chance of happening) Gosho should draw Ai baking cookies for all her fans in compensation. :P
And yeah, it took quite a lot of time to read all the pages, though I didn't read them all together, I've been reading them during the last couple of days. I just got hooked (and have a lot of free time too  :D).

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And again, good analysis of the relationship between Shinichi and Ran. Some remarks:
James Rye wrote:But the "other" Shinichi Kudo who´s also there, just deep hidden inside him and his role is another topic. She probably doesn´t know much about it, probably nothing. I (it´s hypothetical) guess, she would be even surprised when he would tell her of that side. She said she realized her feelings after the indicent in NY where Shinichi held his speech about "No reason needed to save someone." So she felt in love with his warm, caring and protecting side regardless who he/she is, which is overpowered by his act of the cool hero who can do anything.
It seems pretty obvious that Ran has an image of Shinichi, and he fears showing his true self to her (probably 'cause he thinks she might reject him). Thus, Shinichi doesn't act spontaneous towards her, and he is always "holding a pose". That's why I don't like Shinichi/Ran as a couple, I don't feel there's genuine communication between them.
James Rye wrote:She knows him for hardly a year (?), has seen a side of him she didn´t expected (but find it impressing none the less) and Ran didn´t saw so far cause Shinichi doesn´t want her to see this side of him. Does knowing has anything to do with love? Hm, dunno. That can be different for any couple, but for here i would say it plays quite an important role.^g^
Well, IMO, there can be love without really knowing each other, but just as an irrational feeling, and it's quite dangerous, 'cause the relationship has a high risk of breaking down once they get to know each other better. So I'd say it's possible in the begining, but it may not last long.

Anyway, we don't know what would happen if Ran knew Shinichi better, and I guess she would love him anyway, 'cause this is just fiction. :P But it's interesting to talk about couples psychology, since it has a big role in our interpretation of the series and to explain why we prefer a couple or another.
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James Rye wrote: The other side which probably also exist of his fears and unsure feelings, she never saw a glimpse of it cause he always tried to hide it right away from her. He doesn´t want her to know/see it cause maybe he believes she would like him less if she would know, that she would loss faith in him when seeing his weak side.
Though she probably has a faint hunch that he´s not telling her everything regarding her and i don´t mean the part about him being Conan and when he saw her naked. XD
She asked herself why he didn´t trusted her several times and though he was always able to destory those thoughts, they come back. Maybe she does  assume that there´s something about Shinichi he doesn´t want her to know/see, maybe not. That´s just a guess of mine.^g^

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About the second... well, seeing the one you love every day in your life should gives you the feeling to know almost all of him also she´s his best friend (at that time before Conan´s time^^), then he suddenly disappeared and changed into someone who´s made quite a few changes of his old personality. I dunno if that would left her untouched, she loves him strongly and love is (mostly, not always) able to bear everything, but she told Conan herself that´s she afraid of him (Shinichi) changing. The few times where she had meet Shinichi were almost like old times, he falls back into his old role, but sometimes you see some glimpse of the changes which he made thanks to his experiences. I guess it will be harder for him every time to play his role he made for himself as longer as he is Conan Edogawa.
I agree with the above paragraphs. Mostly with the second one. One of the many things I want to see in the end of DC is how Ran will react towards New Shinichi. He almost experienced a new life as Edogawa Conan, and now, we can see in how many ways he changed. In fact, I realized about this canges several episodes ago...
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@James Rye:

It is actualy quite amazing and funny how Shinichi/Conan and the story are almst the same. What I mean is that for example Shinichi always puts his cases in the first place and everything else on the second and third. And if you look at the story of DC the same happens. The cases have a much more dominant role than the real main plot itself. In this sense I think Aoyama did a very-very-very good job.

Shiho probably needs someone who accepts her the way she is with the past she has. I think it is already a great achievement that Shinichi the knight of justice accepts her, eventhough during their first meeting he rather dispised her.

(James Rye I'll put the rest of my reply in the ShinichixRan topic, because taht doesn't belong to here, I hope you'll read it)
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Wow James, a very good job :D.

You actual are right..
Shiho would fit shinichi more.. Its a fact (in my opinion).And I cant deny this fact, BUT !!..
Shinichi loves Ran so much (I DO think that its LOVE, it HAS to be Love..) and if its not LOVE, than he LIKES Ran so much, that he couldnt think about another girl. For example: He really doesnt see Ai as a girl, does he? I mean, i dont know which episode it was, but, when Ai said something "girl-like", conan said "hey.. you are talking like a girl.." and ai answered "i am a girl, right?". This means that Conan see her as a "very-very-very-good-friend" that he cant imagine her to be his GIRLFRIEND.They both are geniuses (arent they?), they have the same interests, and I think how they got friends is also very interesting, that ai is the inventor of this APTX4869 and Shinichi the "victim" and so on.. And they have the same "destiny".  The enemy is the same..They both could be killed and and and..
Really, when I see Shiho and Shinichi side by side i get the feeling "well, actual they look cute together..". (ShinxRan Fans, dont kill me xDD).

But Ran is my favourite character, she always was my favourite character. And she will always be my favourite character. I cant describe, why it is like this, but it is like this! Shinichi and Ran are very different.. Its clear.. But I dont think that a couple has to have the same interests..She always cries, he never cries etc. But Ran is so helpful,so kind, ready to die for someone  whom she doesnt really know (like Ai),so courageous and of course STRONG. Not only in karate, but also her heart is strong, like Ai meant. She even saved a serial killer,who was ready to kill her.. Really, would you do the same?? If you would know that this killer will kill you, would you save him? I dont know if I had this courage.. I would be afraid, I dont know what a feeling it is, to be in such a situation, but I dont think that its a good feeling. Even Vermouth likes her.. Ran truly is an Angel.. She has such a perfect character, that it is ANORMAL. There cant be a girl like her, i,i never saw a girl like her. Of course I dont know the whole world but.. but there cant be such girls, i mean i cant see a negatif point in ran. Maybe that she cries so much? But I can understand her in a way..

Ai differs from Ran..She wouldnt die for someone whom she doesnt know. (Me also xDD And its normal, why should I die for someone who tries to kill me??But maybe yes, because like I said, I wasnt in such a situation yet and I hope I will never be in such a situation..).Its a pity, that she fell in love with Shinichi. Its hard, to acknowledge to oneself that the boy you like or love , loves (or likes) another girl, but she understands it.

Ran and Shinichi are in some way very similar, for example, to save someone, even to die for someone, to protect someone and so on.
That Ran saved Misami, whom she thought she was the first love of Shinichi, is a proove that she would save EVERYONES life. ( Believe me, I know girls who wouldnt do the same..A lot of girls..unfortunately..).
But shinichi and ran are like shinichis parents.. The beauty and the genius.. =).. Yukiko and Yusaku. I dont think that they are VERY similar. But they are happy and love each other. Moreover "Opposits attract" =)

If shinichi and shiho would anytime be together, than I prefer them to be Shinichi and shiho,not ai and conan.  But if it will ever happen, I dont know what ran would do. Either she dies before this happens, or she starts to like someone else (what I would NEVER imagine..). So her death could lead shinichi and shiho to be together.. But I dont think that shinichi would make ran cry, only because he loves shiho, he cares too much about ran, also when his feelings would change, their friendship couldnt be destroyed..

So thats what I think! =))
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@ShinRan360: Shinichi and Shiho = Conan and Ai, there is no difference except "Shinichi and Shiho" is "Conan and Ai" 'true' self.....

Haibara is my fav. character and my fav. heroine out of all DC (but i may change the position of heroine, maybe?)

To me, Haibara and Conan are good soul-mate who understands and care for each other (sry if i offense both ShinRan/CoAi/Conan), sometimes
I feel that their 'bonds' are "un-breakable"

Examples like in vol. 36 [anime ep.304]: after Conan told her to take care of "everyone" (The Detective Boys), looking from her expression she seems to know that Conan is going to denotate the bomb she already know that Conan is going to sacrifice for a total "strangers"and has a resolution of "not coming back again". As i read through the case about 4,5 times? I feel that Haibara and Sato are worrying the most about the one they care (Conan/Shinichi and Takagi). Ran feel the 'telepathy' from Shinichi during her school test and she did not know that Shinichi(Conan) was worrying (or may has knew) about her more than anyone else due to this..... (i feel like as if i said something very offensive to DC-fans, my apologies!!!!)

She may feel like how Sato feel that time, the feelings of losing something important and precious to her.
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kanata09 wrote: @ShinRan360: Shinichi and Shiho = Conan and Ai, there is no difference except "Shinichi and Shiho" is "Conan and Ai" 'true' self.....
some people think of them differently. (because there is a difference if you think about the whole situation throughly)
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Haibara is my favorite character but I never thought of her as a heroine. I think Haibara leans more towards being an anti-hero.
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ShinRan36 wrote: But shinichi and ran are like shinichis parents.. The beauty and the genius.. =).. Yukiko and Yusaku. I dont think that they are VERY similar. But they are happy and love each other. Moreover "Opposits attract" =)
I don't think RanXShinichi can be compared to YukikoXYusaku.

While it's true that Shinichi resembles Yusaku; I don't see any similarities between Ran and Yukiko. Ran doesn't like mysteries and solving cases, while Yukiko does. Ran isn't very intelligent (I'm not saying she's stupid because she isn't, so please no offense), while Yukiko is. Now, about the beauty-side, aren't all DC girls meant to be beautiful? Not only Yukiko and Ran, but also Ai/Shiho, Eri, Ayumi, Kazuha, Sonoko, etc.

Also, I think that describing YukikoXYusako's couple as "the beauty and the genius" is very unfair towards Yukiko; because, as I said before, Yukiko is very smart and perceptive. She's not just a beauty, she's much more than that!

Finally, Yukiko has a lot of things in common with Yusaku; but Ran almost doesn't have anything in common with Shinichi. So comparing RanXShinichi to YukikoXYusaku isn't valid, in my opinion.
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Girl19 wrote:
ShinRan36 wrote: But shinichi and ran are like shinichis parents.. The beauty and the genius.. =).. Yukiko and Yusaku. I dont think that they are VERY similar. But they are happy and love each other. Moreover "Opposits attract" =)
I don't think RanXShinichi can be compared to YukikoXYusaku.

While it's true that Shinichi resembles Yusaku; I don't see any similarities between Ran and Yukiko. Ran doesn't like mysteries and solving cases, while Yukiko does. Ran isn't very intelligent (I'm not saying she's stupid because she isn't, so please no offense), while Yukiko is. Now, about the beauty-side, aren't all DC girls meant to be beautiful? Not only Yukiko and Ran, but also Ai/Shiho, Eri, Ayumi, Kazuha, Sonoko, etc.

Also, I think that describing YukikoXYusako's couple as "the beauty and the genius" is very unfair towards Yukiko; because, as I said before, Yukiko is very smart and perceptive. She's not just a beauty, she's much more than that!

Finally, Yukiko has a lot of things in common with Yusaku; but Ran almost doesn't have anything in common with Shinichi. So comparing RanXShinichi to YukikoXYusaku isn't valid, in my opinion.
I didnt say that yukiko isnt intelligent she is like the "beauty" and yusaku "the intelligent" it doesnt mean that yusaku is ugly (he is handsome). I dont think that ran doesnt have anything in common with shinichi, they have fun together; its the main point ;). As I said, in my opinion, the interests dont have to be the same..
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Girl19 wrote: Now, about the beauty-side, aren't all DC girls meant to be beautiful? Not only Yukiko and Ran, but also Ai/Shiho, Eri, Ayumi, Kazuha, Sonoko, etc.
No.  There's Yumi's police partner.  You know.  The one that looks like a female Chiba.
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Girl19 wrote: Now, about the beauty-side, aren't all DC girls meant to be beautiful? Not only Yukiko and Ran, but also Ai/Shiho, Eri, Ayumi, Kazuha, Sonoko, etc.
No.  There's Yumi's police partner.  You know.  The one that looks like a female Chiba.
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ShinRan36 wrote: I dont think that ran doesnt have anything in common with shinichi, they have fun together; its the main point ;). As I said, in my opinion, the interests dont have to be the same..
I'm not discussing the fact that interests have to be the same in order to make a relationship succeed. In fact, people with different interests can still manage to make their relationship work, somehow; it's not impossible. XD

But what I said was that Yukiko and Yusaku have a lot of things in common, while Ran almost (I did say almost) has nothing in common with Shinichi. So I was just giving another different point between both couples, in order to explain why I think it's not valid to compare between them.

And yes, it's true that Ran and Shinichi have fun together; but I guess, and this is just my guess, that when they marry, they will be just like EriXKogoro (which doesn't mean they won't love each other).
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Lol actually I view Yukiko and Yuusaku as people who don't have much in common and Eri and Kogoro as almost the same.  Both Eri and Kogoro are so extremely stubborn.

KETCHUP!  No SOYSOUCE! Your taste suck!  No YOUR taste suck!

They also don't like admiting to each other that they miss each other.  Thought they both confessed to that already.

And they both have weird taste (Grey = Warm).

They're both kinda conservative (conservative clothing).

They're both romantics though they try to hide it behind a hard exterier.

For Yukiko and Yusaku.  Yukiko does everything flashy.  Yusaku does things flashy only in his novels, he likes being very straight forward about everything else.  Yukiko wants to be there for Shinichi, Yusaku knows that Shinichi isn't an average kid and needs room to grow up himself.  Yukiko likes the spot light.  Yusaku tries to run away from the spot light whenever possible (poor editors...he always runs away!)

For example Yukiko will get upset if Yusaku has a lipstick mark on his shirt.  However since Yusaku proved multiple times that he loves only her, he wouldn't try to explain what happened.  He'll just go after her and say "come with me" in his totally straight forward way xD.  Yusaku and Yukiko must argue a lot, since Shinichi isn't surprised to see Yukiko when it happened. 
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CoxAi fans and ShinxRan fans have been ripping each other out on pretty much every Chinese DC site, even in the comments of DC online episode videos, cursing and calling each other every name possible sometimes. I hope it won't develop into that in this forum... I'd like to remain neutral on this issue...
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kirite wrote: KETCHUP!  No SOYSOUCE! Your taste suck!  No YOUR taste suck!
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