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Okay, continuing James Ryes long post.
BTW, pictures stillnot working. Mangafox doesn't seem to like linking pictures directly, this is why I had to upload my pages as well.
Ai know both sides of him and she´s not a child like Ayumi (which takes her out of the race  ) but in the same age group like Ran and Shinichi- the perfect love rival.
Sure.
But I also see that as one of the biggest weaknesses of Ai x Conan. Their relationship is only "special" as long as Conan/Shinihi remains trapped between these two sides of his current self. When he becomes Shinichi again he will - 99% sure - go for Ran, despite how much fanfiction loves to write about the remaining 1%. And when he decides/is forced to stay a child there is nothing which links him to Haibara anymore. Or at least nothing that would explain why he isn't going for Ran despite staying small
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or growing up together with Ayumi...  ::)
Or a completly other girl he meets later.

But Gosho would throw away a lot of potential (and 300 extra chapters lol) if he doesn´t give her some deep, hidden feelings for Shinichi/Conan.
Well... as I said before, we will see about that. I am not Gosho, nor do I know what is going on in his head. On the other hand we had the discussion before if a author should really write about something just because (a part of) his/her fanbase asks for it. Ohh wait, I think that was in the Ai x Mistuhiko thread.
About the fanfiction Schillok, how about i make Ran into a School Days murderer, Ai is the victim and SHinichi is between his justice thing and his lvoe for Ran? Does that sound (crazy) good?
Uhh... I read the manga.
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Will Ai be the girl who attacks her rival Ran first? Or will she be the one who kills her rival afterwards? And I gues poor Ayumi will be the one withnessing the dead of [the first attacker].
Don't know if I would really want to read about that, the ending was quite.... crazy.
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Schillok wrote: I looked at fanfiction.net and searched for the characters "Yusaku K. and Yukiko K." in all english storys - 6 hits
Then I did the same for "Shinichi K. and Kaito K." - 142 hits
A 22-fold increase is quite significant, won't you agree? It is similar for German, I didn't check the other languages but I expect a similar outcome. Even if you substract the fanfics that are not directly about these persons being a couple ShinichixKid stays far ahead.
All DC fans don't visit "Fanfiction.net" and don't post there. Plus, just because there are more fanfictions in there about KidXShin, it doesn't mean that it's more popular than YukikoXYusaku. I'm still not convinced. Not to forget that this is off-topic and that KidXShin has nothing to do with AiXCon.
And why the hell am I even talking about KidXShin? It's disgusting in MY opinion. -_-

Schillok wrote: Mhh... I can't remember how often Ran and Ai met before that case. But it wasn't often, maybe even never.
I thought when she was talking about the "Dolfins" and that she wanted to prove that she wouldn't want to make it seem like she run away from them she was also talking about the Detecive Boys (or a "happy" life in general), not just Ran alone.
Her relationship to Ran is difficult - but that can be explained by many different reasons, not just jelously about a boy. As I said, maybe because she reminded her of her sister, maybe because she felt guilty because her poison affected Rans life as well or maybe she was afraid that she might become a target of the BO as well if they find out her true identity.
I told you, she was jealous of Ran before, now she is not anymore (or at least she doesn't show any signs of jealousy anymore). So yeah, now she sees Ran in a sisterly way because she reminds her of Akemi. But the jealousy phase did exist, and once again, it was obvious (and even Conan noticed that Haibara didn't like Ran - he said it himself in episode 340).

Schillok wrote: I never said that. I merely stated that I didn't see these things and I imagine that I am not the only person. Which means that different interpretation are possible. I don't know which will turn out to be true... maybe Ai is in love with Conan, maybe she isn't. At the moment neither can be said for sure.
What interpretation would you get when a girl blushes, dreams about and always teases a boy? And so on.. Huh?
There are many ways to express love, not just by saying "I love you" or by giving presents. That's just too materialistc.

Schillok wrote: Stop assuming that everyone thinks the same way as you do.
I'm not assuming, it's true. Just look back to everyone's posts few pages back - everyone agrees on the fact that it's obvious that Ai has feelings for Conan.

Schillok wrote: But without any of that is hard to tell if she is in love or not, right? Either she doesn't say/do anything because she feels exactly like you said, or maybe she doesn't because she is not in love.
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I don't think she has fellings for him, so it is not obvious.
I'm sorry but you just don't wanna admit that Aoyama's hints of Ai's feelings are too obvious. I think we should stop this discussion here since we're not getting anywhere, because you're too headstrong to admit what is obvious. A discussion is benefic when people actually try to understand the opposite points of views and admit it when they're wrong. But if people are too headstrong to change their minds, then it's just a waist of time. Don't you agree?

Anyhow, what I think is:
- AiCon is a love couple >> not a fact.
- Ai having feelings for Conan >> a fact.

And everyone's entitled to their own opinion, whether they want to see the obvious evidences or decide to ignore them.
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James Rye wrote: I just noticed... Girl19 ignored my support fire for her... i gonna go kamikaze myself into a crowd of Ranichi fanatics or Heishi fantatics or Obama fanatics whatever is a fantatic and within reach right now... :'(
Support fire? Where? I missed it? Where? :o

*Bakes a lot of Ai cookies, choco flavored, just for James-san*
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*Prepares a surprise for James* :o
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Schillok wrote: Okay, continuing James Ryes long post.
BTW, pictures stillnot working. Mangafox doesn't seem to like linking pictures directly, this is why I had to upload my pages as well.
Woah, you´re hardcore. Dunno which country you live but ehre in germany it´s 2:37 and i´m amazed to see someone still reading and answering. :o
Damn.... i hate Mangafox for being so picky.... sorry, i´m to tried to upload them now... maybe later...
But you know which pages i´m talking about? Is the one now a solid proof or not?
Schillok wrote: Sure.
But I also see that as one of the biggest weaknesses of Ai x Conan. Their relationship is only "special" as long as Conan/Shinihi remains trapped between these two sides of his current self. When he becomes Shinichi again he will - 99% sure - go for Ran, despite how much fanfiction loves to write about the remaining 1%. And when he decides/is forced to stay a child there is nothing which links him to Haibara anymore. Or at least nothing that would explain why he isn't going for Ran despite staying small
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or growing up together with Ayumi...   ::)
Or a completly other girl he meets later.
Hm, interesting the greatest strength is the greatest weakness, yes taht´s a good way to view it...
But that only goes when Ai stays as Ai, when she gets back to be Shiho, maybe jsut maybe we get to see a new deck of cards. ;)
Schillok wrote: Well... as I said before, we will see about that. I am not Gosho, nor do I know what is going on in his head. On the other hand we had the discussion before if a author should really write about something just because (a part of) his/her fanbase asks for it. Ohh wait, I think that was in the Ai x Mistuhiko thread.
Thanks, now i know which group i gonna kamikaze when i don´t get any cookies in the next hours.
No, i´m not talking about Gosho, but it´s worth a thought.....
Schillok wrote: Uhh... I read the manga.
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Will Ai be the girl who attacks her rival Ran first? Or will she be the one who kills her rival afterwards? And I gues poor Ayumi will be the one withnessing the dead of [the first attacker].
Don't know if I would really want to read about that, the ending was quite.... crazy.
Then you read more then me, i watched a few amvs, a few episodes and a few chapters and stopped cause it was quite..... crazy.^^"

Okay, how about that: Ran murders someone in accident (whoever and hwoever, Karate maybe XD), Ai (as Shiho) ses that. Despite selling Ran out, she change the murder location and hints that it totally looks like SHE was the one who murdered the victim (cause she wants to protect Ran and to comprehend her faults from the past or for Shinichi having a future with Ran).
Shinichi has to find out the truth since all (and also him at the beginning) believes it was Shiho who did that crime. Later he will be in denial if he does the totally justice thing and takes Ran before the court or if he takes Shihos sacrifice and lives a happy(?) life with Ran while she´s in prison. Also Ran will be in denial if she should say she was the one who did it by accident or if she stay quiet. And then there´s Shiho...
Then we put in a bit Kogoro, a bit Eri, a lil´bit more Heiji and Kazuha, the DBs for fun and of cource the police.
Is that any better?^^
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James Rye wrote: I just noticed... Girl19 ignored my support fire for her... i gonna go kamikaze myself into a crowd of Ranichi fanatics or Heishi fantatics or Obama fanatics whatever is a fantatic and within reach right now... :'(
Support fire? Where? I missed it? Where? :o

*Bakes a lot of Ai cookies, choco flavored, just for James-san*
Spoiler:
*Prepares a surprise for James* :o
Woah, you´re still on, too? :o
Support fire, previous page, but no, not only you missed, i did as well. :'(
The pages aren´t uploading for the target. :'(
I´m so sorry, i failed you Girl19-sama! I´m not worthy of your....choco....flavored...yummy...smelling... Ai..... looking.... cookies..... *takes them anyway, goes into a corner to cry and to munch cookies*
:'( *munch* :'( *munch*  :'( *munch* :'( *munch*~

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Last part of my answer to the long post..
I think this is more of a solid proof then the other *cute moments* and *hints* we got to see. It was the very first (and last (for now)  ) time Ai Haibara really blushed. I don´t mean those three red strokes on the cheeks, i mean mad blushing like Ran or Ayumi or Sonoko or Kazuha do usually.
I read it several times... hard to tell anything while her face is hidden behind the mask. At least no mad blushing.
The eyes... well, yes she looks like one of these culprints that get caught when returning to destroy critical evidence just to discover they just walked into a trap. Don't know why she looks that way... but "Because I love you" doesn't seem more realistic than "Because I feel it was my fault". Search for redemption, feeling of responsibility or trying to not drag others to deep into the BO case are all strong motives.
As you said, maybe if Shinichi had been more persistant we would have a better idea why the girl he just met a few weeks ago is helping him - but he didn't. So we don't know if it is love (like you think) or responsibility (like I think).
So, do you think that counts as *solid* proof, what she did for him to disguised as Conan, so he can have a time together with Ran and her hidden first mad blush?
(If not, you ahve to give me tons of cookies other wise i starts to cry rivers) *goes into corner for sobbing*
(Yeah, i do threating you, girls aren´t the only ones who use crying as threating thing      )
Honestly... no. Sure, she did all those things (developing temporary antidote, giving him a chance to run around as Shinichi, disguising as Conan) to help Shinichi. However her motive is not obvious. I still think it was her feeling responsible and doing something to help.
Err... sorry, I don't have cookies. I would love to have some too though. ::)
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Schillok wrote: Last part of my answer to the longlonglong post..
Fixed, that much time msut be. ;D
Schillok wrote: I read it several times... hard to tell anything while her face is hidden behind the mask. At least no mad blushing.
The eyes... well, yes she looks like one of these culprints that get caught when returning to destroy critical evidence just to discover they just walked into a trap. Don't know why she looks that way... but "Because I love you" doesn't seem more realistic than "Because I feel it was my fault". Search for redemption, feeling of responsibility or trying to not drag others to deep into the BO case are all strong motives.
As you said, maybe if Shinichi had been more persistant we would have a better idea why the girl he just met a few weeks ago is helping him - but he didn't. So we don't know if it is love (like you think) or responsibility (like I think).

Honestly... no. Sure, she did all those things (developing temporary antidote, giving him a chance to run around as Shinichi, disguising as Conan) to help Shinichi. However her motive is not obvious. I still think it was her feeling responsible and doing something to help.
Err... sorry, I don't have cookies. I would love to have some too though. ::)
For both:
Yes, it is hidden and i blame Gosho for it to destroy a once-in-a-life-sensation. :D
But it´s a way more blushing (five or six strokes, ahrd to tell) then she usually has (two or three). :-\
"Because I love you" and "Because I feel it was my fault" and then the helping wothout her true motive...
Yes, Gosho didn´t exactly stated her motive, it´s still in the darkness of mystery.^^ (Not for Aicon-fans XD)
I dunno about the helping part cause it doesn´t fit with the happy humming she did in the car, i mean we have seen a lot of cases where she helps Conan/Shinichi to solve it or to pretend Ran from noticing, but in them she doesn´t start to humm, only in this one. And humming cause she´s happy to help him, really doesn´t fit her personality in the farest. Humming cause she´s (of cource selfish) happy to still have Conan/Shinichi at her side without Ran sharing him (more then she does anyway), does it fit a bit better.

I don´t making sense anymore... it´s 3.18.... i´m going to sleep now..... brain shut-down...
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No cookies.... :'( *munch*
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All DC fans don't visit "Fanfiction.net" and don't post there. Plus, just because there are more fanfictions in there about KidXShin, it doesn't mean that it's more popular than YukikoXYusaku. I'm still not convinced. Not to forget that this is off-topic and that KidXShin has nothing to do with AiXCon.
And why the hell am I even talking about KidXShin? It's disgusting in MY opinion. -_-
I doubt you can find a place "all DC" fans visit. But I think ff.net is a good choice since it contains a large enough number of authors and readers to a get a big enough testing group. Bigger than in this forum. Sure, it is a bit off-topic but you asked me to prove that KidxShin has more supporters than YukikoxYusaku - to show that a high number of fans following apairing doesn't make that pairing "cannon".
What interpretation would you get when a girl blushes, dreams about and always teases a boy? And so on.. Huh?
I remember seeing her blushing with Ayumi and Mistuhiko. She had dreams including Ayumi, Mitsuhiko and Genta. She sometimes teases them as well. Does that mean she is in love with them? Or is it just friendship and these things are normal for her?
Okay, how about that: Ran murders someone in accident (whoever and hwoever, Karate maybe XD), Ai (as Shiho) ses that. Despite selling Ran out, she change the murder location and hints that it totally looks like SHE was the one who murdered the victim (cause she wants to protect Ran and to comprehend her faults from the past or for Shinichi having a future with Ran).
Shinichi has to find out the truth since all (and also him at the beginning) believes it was Shiho who did that crime. Later he will be in denial if he does the totally justice thing and takes Ran before the court or if he takes Shihos sacrifice and lives a happy(?) life with Ran while she´s in prison. Also Ran will be in denial if she should say she was the one who did it by accident or if she stay quiet. And then there´s Shiho...
Then we put in a bit Kogoro, a bit Eri, a lil´bit more Heiji and Kazuha, the DBs for fun and of cource the police.
Is that any better?^^
*cough* Well, I also played with a similar idea... Only with Conan as the victim, and set about 15 years in the future and with a lot less Heiji and Kogoro. I enjoy writing fanfiction most if it is about Ayumi.  :P
Never wrote it down though...
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I dunno about the helping part cause it doesn´t fit with the happy humming she did in the car, i mean we have seen a lot of cases where she helps Conan/Shinichi to solve it or to pretend Ran from noticing, but in them she doesn´t start to humm, only in this one. And humming cause she´s happy to help him, really doesn´t fit her personality in the farest. Humming cause she´s (of cource selfish) happy to still have Conan/Shinichi at her side without Ran sharing him (more then she does anyway), does it fit a bit better.
Never thought much about that humming. You think she did it because Conan couldn't confess to Ran and she still has him on his side? There are so many other possebilities

1) She is happy the whole thing is over.
2) She is glad they managed to conceal the truth about Conans identity
3) Glad Shinichi didn't appear in a newspaper/his reappearance was kept a secret.
4) Happy that she can finally be herself again.
5) Glad not wear a Conan-disguise anymore and having to stay with Mori.
6) Looking forwards to go swimming with her friends
7) Looking forwards toward a day with low risk to encounter a body.
8) She had curry for lunch
9) Glad Conan is going home and will stop nagging about another temporary antidote
10) ... don't know. But there are a lot of reasons to be happy ::)


Well... enough for today, getting really tiered too. ^_^'
Soon we reach the big 100 pages with this thread.

Ohh yeah, one final thing:
Stop assuming that everyone thinks the same way as you do.
I'm not assuming, it's true. Just look back to everyone's posts few pages back - everyone agrees on the fact that it's obvious that Ai has feelings for Conan.
I'm sorry but you just don't wanna admit that Aoyama's hints of Ai's feelings are too obvious.
Guess we are stuck here. Well... I am interested to see if you are right so please let me ask everyone reading this:
Are Aoyama's "hints of Ai's feelings for Conan" obvious?
Please write "Yes" or "No" and also if you are a fan of the "Ai x Conan" pairing or not.
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Schillok wrote: I doubt you can find a place "all DC" fans visit. But I think ff.net is a good choice since it contains a large enough number of authors and readers to a get a big enough testing group. Bigger than in this forum. Sure, it is a bit off-topic but you asked me to prove that KidxShin has more supporters than YukikoxYusaku - to show that a high number of fans following apairing doesn't make that pairing "cannon".
I'm still not convinced that KidXShin is more popular.

Schillok wrote: I remember seeing her blushing with Ayumi and Mistuhiko. She had dreams including Ayumi, Mitsuhiko and Genta. She sometimes teases them as well. Does that mean she is in love with them? Or is it just friendship and these things are normal for her?
1. Wait, the way she blushed with Mitsuhiko and Ayumi is so different than the way she blushed with Conan. Just as James said: "I don´t mean those three red strokes on the cheeks, i mean mad blushing like Ran or Ayumi or Sonoko or Kazuha do usually."
2. She had dreams including the Detective Boys? I sincerely don't remember. Can you please remind me?
3. She rarely teases the Detective Boys; and when she does, it's way different than the way she teases Conan (usually about Ran).
4. Don't forget the "And so on.." that I added in my post. There are other things which only happen between Ai and Conan; like, for example; they understand each other too well, even Ayumi and Mitsuhiko noticed that.

Schillok wrote: Guess we are stuck here. Well... I am interested to see if you are right so please let me ask everyone reading this:
Are Aoyama's "hints of Ai's feelings for Conan" obvious?
Please write "Yes" or "No" and also if you are a fan of the "Ai x Conan" pairing or not.
1. You can already check if I'm right or not. As I said, just check people's replies few pages back, everything is there and I'm not imagining things. They did say that Ai has feelings for Conan and that it's obvious.
2. Why are you asking about if they are fans of AiCon now? Ok, maybe you still can't make the difference: I said that people agree that Ai has feelings for Conan and that it's obvious, NOT that all people agree that AiCon is a love couple or that they're fans of AiCon. ;)
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James Rye wrote:
Girl19 wrote:
James Rye wrote: I just noticed... Girl19 ignored my support fire for her... i gonna go kamikaze myself into a crowd of Ranichi fanatics or Heishi fantatics or Obama fanatics whatever is a fantatic and within reach right now... :'(
Support fire? Where? I missed it? Where? :o
*Bakes a lot of Ai cookies, choco flavored, just for James-san*
Spoiler:
*Prepares a surprise for James* :o
Woah, you´re still on, too? :o
Support fire, previous page, but no, not only you missed, i did as well. :'(
The pages aren´t uploading for the target. :'(
I´m so sorry, i failed you Girl19-sama! I´m not worthy of your....choco....flavored...yummy...smelling... Ai..... looking.... cookies..... *takes them anyway, goes into a corner to cry and to munch cookies*
:'( *munch* :'( *munch*  :'( *munch* :'( *munch*~
OHMYGOSHO!?! I´m getting a surprise????? :o :o :o :o :o
Yes, I'm still awake and it's 3:10!! :o Well, I'll go to sleep after I finish this post. XD
So how were the cookies? I'm also making strawberry flavored ones for tomorrow, just in case! ;D
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Thanky for the cookie. *Yummy* :)

I know what you mean Schillok, that happend so often to me too. :'(

Hm, yeah that are obilivous and *solid* evidences for those couples. But you know, i´m surprised no one wrote about this scene in Vol 26 chapter 4 after Shinichi cleared the case at the school theatre:
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Does that count as a proof? The german version was a bit different, but whatever.^^
I think this is more of a solid proof then the other *cute moments* and *hints* we got to see. It was the very first (and last (for now) :-[ ) time Ai Haibara really blushed. I don´t mean those three red strokes on the cheeks, i mean mad blushing like Ran or Ayumi or Sonoko or Kazuha do usually. ;)

It is possible to see it, right? I know it lose a lot of impact cause Ai is disguised as Conan and wears the mask, but the change into her bubble speech in the five panel and her shocked eyes in the first after his first question considering her motives behind her helping:

Why should she be shocked when her real reasons really were like she told him, only rational and logical? Isn´t it more cause there are other reasons (private reasons, private like in emotional) she doesn´t wnat him to know?

Why would she be so...uhm (you see that better in the anime^^") flustered when he wants to add something after her cold reply? Isn´t it more cause she kinda hoped (like i said Anime^^") for something else, dunno what exactly, maybe that he tells he *do you really believe i take that?* or whatever at least not the thing about her girl voice when she´s Conan. XD

Besides that, it shows that Shinichi doesn´t take her for granted, meaning as an ally who only supports him without other motives. You can say, that´s bad, he doesn´t trust her, but i´m sure everyone (with everyone i mean everyone!, otherwise i wants cookies to compress my sadness) agrees he does, maybe not completley, but he does trust her. ;)

On the other hand (my mind, so you can take it or shake it XDDD) you could say, he questioned her behaviour cause he realized she does too much for him. At Vol 26, they know each other for how long? A week , two or even three, maybe a month? They weren´t goody-goody friends, they were still at that point somehow *brother in arms*, two strangers with the same or a similar goal.
We all know Shinichi is not dumb (dense maybe, but not dumb), the reasons she told him, i bet he had already thought of it and felt they weren´t worth enough the things she did for him. I think that cause of the panel where she said *I have to carefully study your results first,...* where he has the *.....* speech bubble, the *something unspoken* bubble (in my eyes at least :P ). I think he thought at that point *okay, if she doesn´t want to tell me her real reasos whatever they are... maybe those are her real motives... oh whatever, her girl voice creeps me out in her Conan form.*
Just my author mind, please don´t sue me, rather gimme me cookies. ;D

For me it showed that not only Ai has feelings for him, it shows that Shinichi is able to tell the difference between a help out of need (her *careful study*) and a help cause she wanted to (to keep him and Ran safe with his secret identity cause she cares (and in his case love :P ) for both). he wanted to know her reasons for wanting to help him, like i said he´s not dumb the need reasons were already clear for him. of cource that´s not *the one and only truth*, i can be totally wrong.^^

So, do you think that counts as *solid* proof, what she did for him to disguised as Conan, so he can have a time together with Ran and her hidden first mad blush? ???
(If not, you ahve to give me tons of cookies other wise i starts to cry rivers) *goes into corner for sobbing*
(Yeah, i do threating you, girls aren´t the only ones who use crying as threating thing :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( )

You know it reminded me, when i felt that my heart beats for Aicon the first time.
It wasn´t the 18-25 Volumes like for others or this scene i hid in the spoiler, it was in between. I took that like you, Schillok. For me it the *flirting* part and other stuff  were only meant as teasing or playing mind games with him. Like the time you showed for Ayumi when she asked about Ai and her feelings for Conan, i believe at that time she told the truth to Ayumi, why lying to a child she doesn´t know much at that time?
Back to the scene i fall for Aicon, like i already said i never likes Ranichi since the first Volume.^g^

This one:
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I know the majority thinks/said/feels about this scence (i´m not only talking about the page, but the fifth panel) that Ai was pissed/angry/didn´t care /or looked like always.
For me the first thing that came into my mind wasn´t all those things, i thought:
*Why does she looks hurt?*

It was the time i guess i get a thing for it. You have the wonderful scenario, the hero who came home (for a short break, but he didn´t know that) in a disguise and the woman he loves doesn´t recongize him, but feels different in his reach of arms. The others are shocked about the bold thing the hidden hero did to the princesses and in all this uproar, was the other woman, the maid hidden as a boy, silently, looking sad and hurt towards the beautiful scenario which isn´t meant for her but with the man she wish to have it.
(My FF-blood, sorry guys and gals :-X )

After that and the 26 Volume, i rereaded the other chapters with her and Conan, i´m still saying at the beginning she was only teasing him and she told the truth to Ayumi. I even believe she didn´t love him at the point where she hold this (rose XD) gun at his head, maybe she had those feelings subconsciously, but i don´t think so.
I think she started to love him after the first time she saw his true self, his Shinichi self. Sure we didn´t saw it in the manga, but don´t tell me she didn´t saw him before the school theatre. It must h<ve been at the hospital; she did need to saw it there since she took his role and someone had to give him his school clothes. Otherwise he wouldn´t be able to get into school to change into the black knight costume.

Dunno why i thought that she looks hurt, guess it has something to do with ehr eyebrown and the scenario i wrote about, but like i saidit was the first thing that came into my mind and made me a fan of Aicon.
Until that page i never even dreamed that there would be a possible love rival for Ran. Ranichi was way too mighty at that time and i was 1000000000% sure it will end up with them (after becoming Aicon-fan, the chances are only 99,999999999999%. HOPE!HOPE!!HOPE!!! XP).

Ayumi does love Conan with her heart, i don´t think she has only a crush for him. (That doesn´t goes for Mitsuhiko and Ai, only over my dead body XD) But she loves Conan, she doesn´t know about Shinichi like Ran loves Shinichi but doesn´t know that Conan is Shinichi. There´s something both girls can´t grasp, but they are trying to do so. Ran with her dectuction Conan=Shinichi and Ayumi with Conan is like an adult.
Ai know both sides of him and she´s not a child like Ayumi (which takes her out of the race :'( ) but in the same age group like Ran and Shinichi- the perfect love rival.

Okay, i admitt: Only because she´s the *perfect love rival* like Ran always fears for that doesn´t makes her to be in love with him. But Gosho would throw away a lot of potential (and 300 extra chapters lol) if he doesn´t give her some deep, hidden feelings for Shinichi/Conan.

My opinion and my two cents. I need more then an hour for it to wrote all that + to find the pages. *sleepy*
I know Aicon didn´t get an *official* status like the others couples did with their rings, and their valentines chocolates or their *confessions to a stranger kid you meet for the first time and tell him your most important heart secret*, but it should be understandable why so many likes them together and that they all didn´t fall out of heaven, no?

Thank you all for reading. I take any (tasty!) cookie you give me- Haibara looking ones are prefered. 8)

About the fanfiction Schillok, how about i make Ran into a School Days murderer, Ai is the victim and SHinichi is between his justice thing and his lvoe for Ran? Does that sound (crazy) good? :D

Edit: Hope the second pic works now. If not, it´s the 14 page of chapter 2 from Volume 26.^^"
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too...many...posts over night....can't....quote all

I said in another thread (awhile ago) that I find the whole "Ran - Shinichi (/Conan) - Haibara" is very similiar to "Mamoru - Usagi - Seiya" in the anime version of Sailor Moon. It's obvious Seiya had feelings for Usagi, yet she was a bit dumb to not realize it. Seiya confessed at the end, so I presume Haibara will confess as well. The other thing, is that if Mamoru has been there, Seiya wouldn't have had a chance to begin with. I think it would be the same with Haibara. If Ran was away for a few months, Haibara might be more open in her feelings because she might have a chance.

Now, if this discussion still has no conclusion, then we're just shooting a dead body over and over again. Some people agree it is obvious she has feelings for him, some people don't. It's an AiCon thread so obviously people are "biased"
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Kor wrote: too...many...posts over night....can't....quote all

I said in another thread (awhile ago) that I find the whole "Ran - Shinichi (/Conan) - Haibara" is very similiar to "Mamoru - Usagi - Seiya" in the anime version of Sailor Moon. It's obvious Seiya had feelings for Usagi, yet she was a bit dumb to not realize it. Seiya confessed at the end, so I presume Haibara will confess as well. The other thing, is that if Mamoru has been there, Seiya wouldn't have had a chance to begin with. I think it would be the same with Haibara. If Ran was away for a few months, Haibara might be more open in her feelings because she might have a chance.

Now, if this discussion still has no conclusion, then we're just shooting a dead body over and over again. Some people agree it is obvious she has feelings for him, some people don't. It's an AiCon thread so obviously people are "biased"
Just to point out that Mamoru - Usagi had THEIR child from the future visit them. It a good thing that so far we do not have a child of Shinichi - Ran coming from the future. That might make this discussion awkward.
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sstimson wrote: Just to point out that Mamoru - Usagi had THEIR child from the future visit them. It a good thing that so far we do not have a child of Shinichi - Ran coming from the future. That might make this discussion awkward.
I'm sure that you meant to say Shinichi and Shiho's secret lovechild from the future.

Or possibly even future Conan and future Haibara's secret lovechild from even further into the future.
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sstimson wrote:
Kor wrote: too...many...posts over night....can't....quote all

I said in another thread (awhile ago) that I find the whole "Ran - Shinichi (/Conan) - Haibara" is very similiar to "Mamoru - Usagi - Seiya" in the anime version of Sailor Moon. It's obvious Seiya had feelings for Usagi, yet she was a bit dumb to not realize it. Seiya confessed at the end, so I presume Haibara will confess as well. The other thing, is that if Mamoru has been there, Seiya wouldn't have had a chance to begin with. I think it would be the same with Haibara. If Ran was away for a few months, Haibara might be more open in her feelings because she might have a chance.

Now, if this discussion still has no conclusion, then we're just shooting a dead body over and over again. Some people agree it is obvious she has feelings for him, some people don't. It's an AiCon thread so obviously people are "biased"
Just to point out that Mamoru - Usagi had THEIR child from the future visit them. It a good thing that so far we do not have a child of Shinichi - Ran coming from the future. That might make this discussion awkward.
Abs. wrote:
sstimson wrote: Just to point out that Mamoru - Usagi had THEIR child from the future visit them. It a good thing that so far we do not have a child of Shinichi - Ran coming from the future. That might make this discussion awkward.
Abs. wrote:
sstimson wrote: Just to point out that Mamoru - Usagi had THEIR child from the future visit them. It a good thing that so far we do not have a child of Shinichi - Ran coming from the future. That might make this discussion awkward.
I'm sure that you meant to say Shinichi and Shiho's secret lovechild from the future.

Or possibly even future Conan and future Haibara's secret lovechild from even further into the future.
I'm sure that you meant to say Shinichi and Shiho's secret lovechild from the future.

Or possibly even future Conan and future Haibara's secret lovechild from even further into the future.

Ok I know this is an Ai +Conan Thread. I stated it that way for two reasons

1) in Sailor Moon {Mamoru - Usagi - Seiya}. The Pairing of Mamoru - Usagi is without question Canon.
It APPEARS  that the Pairing of Ran and Shinichi maybe Canon. ( I am NOT SAYING IT IS )

2) the order of the second three {Ran - Shinichi (/Conan) - Haibara}. If it had been stated as Haibara - Shinichi (/Conan) - Ran, Then I would have made a comment about the future CHILDREN of Haibara and Conan.
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