Ai + Conan

[James Rye]

Well we are talking about Detective Conan after all. A mystery AND love comedy manga. (don't know why foreigners fans seems to consider the love comedy part as a "bonus". o_O but it's actually the definition of Aoyama himself)

Maybe cause it seems so? 715 chapters about murder and mystery and where are we with RAn and Shinichi? Exactly at the mere beginning.

I think Aoyama doesn't mind. If he did he should be more depressed because of the BL fans.
Aoyama doesn't support CoxAi coupling but I imagine he has something more important to do than trying to understand why fangirls prefer them than his favorite childhood friends coupling.

And actually CoxAi is popular among the fandom. But common readers still prefers Shin x Ran and het couplings.
And you have an important amount of common readers for DC, so...

BL fans? What´s that?

Fanboys please. Don´t forget us.^^"
He said that all his *official* (or almost really ALL XD) couples are childhoodfriendsturninglovers (Sandkastenliebe auf gut Deutsch) cause it´s less complicated and everyone understands it. Isn´t he just to lazy to write a mystery-love-story about a detective and a scientist who bot are shrunk into their kids forms and must fight the BO?
Sure, but aren´t all couples like a clone of Ranichi? Okay, if you look at it like that then Ranichi is a clone of Kaito and Aoko.
After that (lol-)logic, Aicon would be something original in DC. 8)

[bluekaitou1412]

Somehow, someone and something diverted the attention from my castle to lolicons.

Good move, good move.

lol 

this time it wasn't me - it was kaitoukid  (an aicon fan  )

XD I'm safe.

[Schillok]

Well we are talking about Detective Conan after all. A mystery AND love comedy manga. (don't know why foreigners fans seems to consider the love comedy part as a "bonus". o_O but it's actually the definition of Aoyama himself)

DC is a love comedy? First time I heard that...
It is mystery. Mystery with some distractions from time to time, either comedic or romantic (or both at once). But those distractions go only over one or a few panels. (Which usually include Sonoko, Ran or Kazuha commenting about each others relationships, Gentas eating habbits, remarks of police inspectors about Kogoro and so forth - but nothing that would make DC "love" or "comedy").

actually this is not an answer. You just avoid it.


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For the main plot, he could have simply used Gin and Vodka, or created a male character. But he had to add a new female character because he wanted to create a love triangle situation. If not, then why did he create so many AiCon moments/files?

o__O well you know, when you write a story you have to keep a balance between the mens character and female characters.
And with your explaination, what about the role of Akemi, Rena, Vermouth?
So there isn't anything obvious in that.

Yeah. When Haibara was introduced there was a huge lack of female characters. Basically only Ran and Ayumi existed at that time, no Vermouth, no Satô and Eri appeared just in one case. Ai being female helped to increase the number of females quite a lot.
But in my oppionion she might have been male as well. I don't think Conans behaviour would be any different towards her if she were a boy and I don't think "male Ai" would behave much differently than (s)he does now. Ai being female has a much stronger influence on her relationship with Ayumi (and partly with Mitushiko) than it has with Conan.

Ai is basically Heiji #2 - without the need to travel from Osaka to Tokio to meet Conan and less interest in detective work - a friend Shinichi can talk to without having to pretend that he is the 1st grade elementary student Conan Edogawa.

[Schillok]

BL fans? What´s that?

"Boy-Love"
So Shonen-Ai, yaoi. Basically KaitoxSinichi, HeijixShinichi and AgasaxMegure.

Sure, but aren´t all couples like a clone of Ranichi? Okay, if you look at it like that then Ranichi is a clone of Kaito and Aoko.

Well... yeah, pretty much. But fortunatelly you don't have to follow the autors favorite pairing. Everyone is free to choose their own fandom, be it AixConan, AyumixConan, ShiratorixSatô, KogoroxEri, ShinichixHeiji or RanxShinichi if he/she prefers.
Even if you don't like the official pairings there are enough works from fans that prefer similar things like you. Or just draw/write them yourself...

[baka1412]

A very randomness idea i just came up just now..

If Ran and Shinichi pairing called  : Ranichi

Then

Shiho and Shinichi pairing could be called : Shi-Nichi, oMg, they fit even to their name

[Schillok]

A very randomness idea i just came up just now..

If Ran and Shinichi pairing called  : Ranichi

Then

Shiho and Shinichi pairing could be called : Shi-Nichi, oMg, they fit even to their name

No. Since the first Kanji of Shinichi is "Shin", the Shiho + Shinichi pairing would be "Shiichi".
Which looks awefully like the s-word, even more since the Hiragana "chi" is part of the "t"-row...

[Melissa]

BL fans? What´s that?

BL means Boys Love.
The most important Fan market about DC.

Fanboys please. Don´t forget us.^^"

I was talking about japanse fans.
In Japan, DC fans are essentially composed with fangirls.
After them, male readers are junior high school readers for the more important part.

He said that all his *official* (or almost really ALL XD) couples are childhoodfriendsturninglovers (Sandkastenliebe auf gut Deutsch) cause it´s less complicated and everyone understands it.

I don't understand german but you are totally right. But actually Aoyama has also a big interest for childhood friends couplings. Plus, he said he especially loves TOUCH from Adachi and also a drama which is cold "Danjou Shichinin Natsu Monogatari" (1986) and he took his inspiration for DC in these two stories. I don't know about the drama but you have the childhood friend relationship in TOUCH!

Sure, but aren´t all couples like a clone of Ranichi? Okay, if you look at it like that then Ranichi is a clone of Kaito and Aoko.

Not all, but most of the childhood friends couplings for sure.
But you know, japanese public don't really want to be surprised so that's one of the reason the relations are so simple in DC.

DC is a love comedy? First time I heard that...
It is mystery. Mystery with some distractions from time to time, either comedic or romantic (or both at once). But those distractions go only over one or a few panels. (Which usually include Sonoko, Ran or Kazuha commenting about each others relationships, Gentas eating habbits, remarks of police inspectors about Kogoro and so forth - but nothing that would make DC "love" or "comedy").

Maybe cause it seems so? 715 chapters about murder and mystery and where are we with RAn and Shinichi? Exactly at the mere beginning.

Carefull! DC is a Love Comedy manga (in all my books, Aoyama alternate from "ミステリー漫画" (mystery manga) and "ラブコメ漫画â€

[baka1412]

A very randomness idea i just came up just now..

If Ran and Shinichi pairing called  : Ranichi

Then

Shiho and Shinichi pairing could be called : Shi-Nichi, oMg, they fit even to their name

No. Since the first Kanji of Shinichi is "Shin", the Shiho + Shinichi pairing would be "Shiichi".
Which looks awefully like the s-word, even more since the Hiragana "chi" is part of the "t"-row...

The idea only works on using alphabet, i forgot to add that...

[Schillok]

I don't really understand this part. Ai is not a rival and her friendship with Conan is quite different from the Hattori's.
She is not here to solve the investigation.

No, I wasn't talking about the "rival-role" of Heiji´. I was talking about his role as "a person that knows about Conan being Shinichi whichi is the same age as him and who is a friend". Only Heiji and Haibara fit this role.
It is about someone he is able to talk about his problems which derive from being stuck in the body of a 7-year-old, problems he doesn't want to share with the "parent type who knows about Conan being Shinichi" (Agasa, Yukiko, Yusaku). He can't discuss these problems with the Ran or the Detecive Boys.

Which is probaly the reason why people think Ai and Conan (or Heiji and Conan/shinichi, derpending on their fandom) are "so close to each other".

Carefull! DC is a Love Comedy manga (in all my books, Aoyama alternate from "ミステリー漫画" (mystery manga) and "ラブコメ漫画â€

[Melissa]

No, I wasn't talking about the "rival-role" of Heiji´. I was talking about his role as "a person that knows about Conan being Shinichi whichi is the same age as him and who is a friend". Only Heiji and Haibara fit this role.
It is about someone he is able to talk about his problems which derive from being stuck in the body of a 7-year-old, problems he doesn't want to share with the "parent type who knows about Conan being Shinichi" (Agasa, Yukiko, Yusaku). He can't discuss these problems with the Ran or the Detecive Boys.

Which is probaly the reason why people think Ai and Conan (or Heiji and Conan/shinichi, derpending on their fandom) are "so close to each other".

Ok, I understand it better in this way.

Following that definition almost every manga/anime is Love Comedey. Would you call Naruto a Love Comedy? It has comedic moments and romantic moments - more than DC - but that is only there to serve as a contrast to the Shonen Action/Adventure that it actually is.

well, it's difficult for me to answer because I don't read Naruto.
And actually I don't know if the other shonen manga have the same definition or not of Love Comedy in Japan.
Most of them have essentially fans as the main readers so I don't know if the way of writing the plot is exactly the same...

But I can't explain it more clearly I think. but just to tell you I didn't imagine anything, you can have a look to the japanese Wikipedia page which confirm what I read in the interview:
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[James Rye]

Ai is basically Heiji #2 - without the need to travel from Osaka to Tokio to meet Conan and less interest in detective work - a friend Shinichi can talk to without having to pretend that he is the 1st grade elementary student Conan Edogawa.

I don't really understand this part. Ai is not a rival and her friendship with Conan is quite different from the Hattori's.
She is not here to solve the investigation.

Besides that i doubt that Conan/Shinichi would be embaressed to see Heiji in his white (?) underwear. XDDD

I don't really understand this part. Ai is not a rival and her friendship with Conan is quite different from the Hattori's.
She is not here to solve the investigation.

No, I wasn't talking about the "rival-role" of Heiji´. I was talking about his role as "a person that knows about Conan being Shinichi whichi is the same age as him and who is a friend". Only Heiji and Haibara fit this role.
It is about someone he is able to talk about his problems which derive from being stuck in the body of a 7-year-old, problems he doesn't want to share with the "parent type who knows about Conan being Shinichi" (Agasa, Yukiko, Yusaku). He can't discuss these problems with the Ran or the Detecive Boys.

Which is probaly the reason why people think Ai and Conan (or Heiji and Conan/shinichi, derpending on their fandom) are "so close to each other".

I wonder if Shiho Miyano would still fit into this role or not...

[Schillok]

Besides that i doubt that Conan/Shinichi would be embaressed to see Heiji in his white (?) underwear. XDDD

Well... actually I think he would.
And he would also have reacted the same way if it had been Ayumi in front of him...

It was just one of these "few panel comedy moments" I mentioned.  :P

[AICHAN]

A very randomness idea i just came up just now..

If Ran and Shinichi pairing called  : Ranichi

Then

Shiho and Shinichi pairing could be called : Shi-Nichi, oMg, they fit even to their name

LOLXD do true!!!!! great idea^^
it's like yukiko and yusaku^^ you see the similarities between Shi-Nichi and Yu-Saku

wow!where do you find those interviews!!!i'm jealous!you always seem to know more about Aoyama's projects than us...did you get these books in Japan?

Yeah. I don't read french (nor english) books about manga.
Well, you are french so you may know who I'm?
>>> Je ne sais pas si tu es la meme personne que Ai chan sur le forum de Beika mais si c'est le cas tu sais peut etre que je prepare la remise a jour de mon site Naniwa et que par consequent j'ai mis de cote quelques infos inedites pour les semaines a venir lors des prochaines mises a jour. ^^ <<<

non,desolée c'est pas moi^^' je vais pas trop dans les forum francais... mais je savais pas que tu parlais francais je pensais que tu parlais juste japonais et anglais...(vu que tu peux te procurer les conan book en japonais)
mais l'information a propos du London file, haibara in big troubles et tout ca,ca date de quand?c'est récent?

... I'm wondering about this point. I realized Aoyama like creating couplings between his characters. There isn't so many love triangle in the DC universe. So is there a reason why Aoyama didn't introduce a nice guy for Haibara? Except the fact her love triangle is quite famous (well... only in the fan world actually), she deserves to find someone.
 

yeah that's what i think too...aoyama himself said DC is a love comedy/mystery,(that's what i saw in a french site,in an interview)it's pretty obvious when we read the manga..he focus more on couple than the main plot(BO)
so i thought he would create a pairing with haibara and an other guy,but no,gosho built a (cute)relationship with conan(right after her first appearence in dc we can see they're pretty close ,ans she shows a lot of interest in conan)
but i don't want her to be paired with someone we doesn't know,just in order to be paired...i want a real relationship growing between her and someone who deserves her....but my hopes are too high maybe (i'm sure she will be killed or she will stay as a kid in the end ,paired with mitsuhiko that's not a good ending for me)

[Schillok]

so i thought he would create a pairing with haibara and an other guy,but no,gosho built a (cute)relationship with conan(right after her first appearence in dc we can see they're pretty close ,ans she shows a lot of interest in conan)
but i don't want her to be paired with someone we doesn't know,just in order to be paired...i want a real relationship growing between her and someone who deserves her....but my hopes are too high maybe (i'm sure she will be killed or she will stay as a kid in the end ,paired with mitsuhiko that's not a good ending for me)

I still can't see a (romantic) relationship between Ai and Conan... her fascination ("interest") for Conan seems like the same fascination of let's say Takagi towards Shinichi/Kogoro or Genta/Mitsuhiko towards Conan when they solve a difficult case. Fascination of his inteligence, ideals and courage, but no romantic attraction.

And what is wrong with her staying a kid? As Ai Haibara she has a guardian (Agasa) and friends (Detective Boys). As Shiho she has... well, if she is lucky she might be able to stay in contact with them. Or she will leave forever, trying to find a new purpose in live.

[Melissa]

non,desolée c'est pas moi^^' je vais pas trop dans les forum francais... mais je savais pas que tu parlais francais  je pensais que tu parlais juste japonais et anglais...(vu que tu peux te procurer les conan book en japonais)
mais l'information a propos du London file, haibara in big troubles et tout ca,ca date de quand?c'est récent?

Au temps pour moi.
Les infos sur le London file, Haibara in big troubles et tout ca viennent des data book donc. Le Conan Drill date de 2003 / Le Love Conan de 2004 / Le Art book de 2003. Et mes traductions... sont parfois en retard. Mon niveau de japonais evolue et je comprends parfois bien des annees apres des passages d'un bouquin qui etaient flous a un moment donne.

And what is wrong with her staying a kid? As Ai Haibara she has a guardian (Agasa) and friends (Detective Boys). As Shiho she has... well, if she is lucky she might be able to stay in contact with them. Or she will leave forever, trying to find a new purpose in live.

That's a personnal interpretation, but I think if Ai stay a child that means she doesn't accept to face her fears (the world, people...) and to face the society.
As I said, I don't really like Haibara because of personnal reasons. But I liked to see her evolving in the manga (facing Ran, accepting Ayumi as a real friend, etc...) so, if she doesn't want to overcome the last problem AND her most important problem, that means she finally doesn't want to evolve anymore.
That's really my own opinion but I don't want to see her loosing her life and not facing it.
I want her to win something ans live her life.

There are some theories I read on the web that Haibara may die at the end of the story. I really don't like this character but I would really be disappointed by Aoyama if she dies. If that happened, I guess my image of her would be worse than it is today... so...