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Rellik wrote:
Kor wrote: Ran bathed with Conan.

Ran is an ultra lolicon

End of story  :P
Your parents/guardians helped to wash you when you were young - as in touch you all over

They are an ultra lolicon

End of story :)

sorry i had to go there
...right... ::)

I was just trying to make a point while you.....I'm not exactly sure what you tried to do...
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Rellik wrote:
XxxKaitoKidxxX wrote: Geez such violence.
welcome to the 'Ai + Conan' thread  :P
Funny how that "Geez such violence" comment was directed to YOU, yet you're trying hard to make it seem as if it was directed to AiCon fans?

Funny how YOU are the one who always changes the topic(s), yet you're constantly trying hard to accuse US (AiCon fans) of changing the subject (for instance, you using an avatar about the matter).

Rellik wrote:
Kor wrote: Ran bathed with Conan.
Ran is an ultra lolicon
End of story  :P
Your parents/guardians helped to wash you when you were young - as in touch you all over
They are an ultra lolicon
End of story :)
sorry i had to go there
1. Ran is neither a parent not a guardian to Conan. Your comparison is fail.
2. Funny how you feel the need to bring parents to the topic and accuse them of being ultra lolicons just because someone accused a fictional character of being ultra lolicon. Yeah, you had to go there!
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Girl19 wrote:
Rellik wrote:
Kor wrote: Ran bathed with Conan.
Ran is an ultra lolicon
End of story  :P
Your parents/guardians helped to wash you when you were young - as in touch you all over
They are an ultra lolicon
End of story :)
sorry i had to go there
1. Ran is neither a parent not a guardian to Conan. Your comparison is fail.
2. Funny how you feel the need to bring parents to the topic and accuse them of being ultra lolicons just because someone accused a fictional character of being ultra lolicon. Yeah, you had to go there!
Well maybe you overreacted on this point.
Ran is not from Conan's family but she has actually the role of his guardian.
I mean, she has to take care of him.
I think that's what Rellik wanted to say.

Funny how you feel the need to use the verb "accuse" so many times. Even if Kor said it as a joke, does that mean you have to take the answer in a so angrily way?

Well, but this isn't the Ran topic so let's come back to the main subject after all.

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lol Hiding? Actually, HE created Ai because he wanted to make a love triangle.
o__O ho... I would like to hear your sources.
Actually he created Haibara because of the main plot (BO, apotoxine and all this stuff).
She is an interesting character because Aoyama decided her role from the beginning. But not for a love triangle.
For the main plot.

But, actually, that's true Haibara has a cruch on Conan (it seems to be canon for what I know)

And well, about the "Real friendship is eternal. Love? Not always...", I think you wrote it without thinking.
Sometimes you can loose your friends and yes, some really good friends because of stupid stuff.
Nothing is eternal.
If you don't trust in eternal love, I don't know how you can trust more in eternal friendship.

But friendship is really important in DC. And actually there is a strong friendship between Ai and Conan.
this is actually something pretty interesting because in Japan, people usually think friendship between a man and a woman doesn't exist.
Maybe that's one of the reason Ai is so popular here.

She is a rare female character in DC who doesn't need the role of 幼馴染 (childhood friend) to be close to a male friend.
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Kor wrote:
Rellik wrote:
Kor wrote: Ran bathed with Conan.
Ran is an ultra lolicon
End of story  :P
Your parents/guardians helped to wash you when you were young - as in touch you all over
They are an ultra lolicon
End of story :)
sorry i had to go there
...right... ::)
I was just trying to make a point while you.....I'm not exactly sure what you tried to do...
Exactly!

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Melissa wrote: Well maybe you overreacted on this point.
And maybe not.

Melissa wrote: Ran is not from Conan's family but she has actually the role of her guardian.
I mean, she has to take care of him.
1. Her? I think you meant "his" since Conan is a boy.
2. Who said she had to? And, to be someone's guardian is not just taking money from his parents and letting him live with you. It involves more but let's just not get too far from the off-topic subject which was Ran having a bath with Conan.

Melissa wrote: Funny how you feel the need to use the verb "accuse" so many times. Even if Kor said it as a joke, does that mean you have to take it the answer in a so angrily way?
1. Funny how you seem to have a problem with me using a word because I believe it describes and somehow sums up a certain situation, here Rellik's "I want so badly to prove that the AiCon topic has too many replies only because it's full of off-topic posts, and that AiCon fans are the ones who do that" behavior.
2. I'm free to take something angrily or not. And no, I didn't even take it angrily; I just found it funny how someone, in order to defend a meaningless fictional character, had to accuse parents of being ultra lolicon. I mean, just what was his point?

Melissa wrote: Well, but this is the Ran topic so let's come back to the main subject after all.
Wait.. The topic's title is: Ai + Conan. How come this became Ran's topic? ???

Melissa wrote: o__O ho... I would like to hear your sources.
I only look for sources when something isn't obvious.

Melissa wrote: Actually he created Haibara because of the main plot.
She is an interesting character because Aoyama decided her role from the beginning. But not for a love triangle.
For the main plot.
For the main plot, he could have simply used Gin and Vodka, or created a male character. But he had to add a new female character because he wanted to create a love triangle situation. If not, then why did he create so many AiCon moments/files?

Melissa wrote: And well, about the "Real friendship is eternal. Love? Not always...", I think you wrote it without thinking of it.
You bet?

Melissa wrote: Sometimes you can loose your friends and yes really good friends because of stupid stuff.
Nothing is eternal.
If you don't trust in eternal love, I don't know how you can trust more in eternal friendship.
"Really good friends" is not "real friends".
And if you loose your really good friends over something stupid, are there really that good?
I think you wrote it without thinking of it. ;)

Melissa wrote: She is a rare female character in DC who doesn't need the role of 幼馴染 (childhood friend) to be close to a male friend.
100% agree with you here.
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First I want to say that I corrected my type miss in my previous message.
And I told it in anothet post. English is not my mother tongue and I'm not pretty good speaking this language. I do my best but sometimes, I can write some mistakes and not be really clear.
2. Who said she had to? And, to be someone's guardian is not just taking money from his parents and letting him live with you. It involves more but let's just not get too far from the off-topic subject which was Ran having a bath with Conan.
This is the natural feeling of an adult. She feels responsable of him because he is just a child.
And, to be someone's guardian is not just taking money from his parents and letting him live with you. >> Oh yeah you're right. But actually, that's only Aoyama who decided to use this excuse to explain why Conan can stay at Ran's house.
Do you think the way Agasa is taking care of Haibara is pretty good? Agasa just decided to take care of Haibara without any explaination.
Because it's totally possible to take care of a child who is not a part of your family in Japan.
I've heard some friends who told me their neighbours adopted the daughter of a colleague after her parents death. Formalities seems to be simple.
So I think that can explain how Haibara could start living so easily with Agasa and Conan with Ran and Kogoro.
Actually I don't think Ran is just taking the money for taking care of Conan  ??? but well, I should change the topic to talk about that, so ...

1. Funny how you seem to have a problem with me using a word because I believe it describes and somehow sums up a certain situation, here Rellik's "I want so badly to prove that the AiCon topic has too many replies only because it's full of off-topic posts, and that AiCon fans are the ones who do that" behavior.
I haven't any problem with you. I just wanted to show you that you maybe overreacted. And Is till think it.

Well, if you don't like Rellik's answer so bad, what about ignoring him/her (sorry I'm newbie on this forum, I don't know everybody really well).
2. I'm free to take something angrily or not. And no, I didn't even take it angrily; I just found it funny how someone, in order to defend a meaningless fictional character, had to accuse parents of being ultra lolicon. I mean, just what was his point?
Well, maybe I'm the only one thinking like that here, I don't know but, actually, there too many people who think just because they are behind a screen they are safe and can feel free to say just what they want and forgetting the most usual common sense like being polite between each other.
Would you get so easily angry at someone just for that IRL.
Well of course you will say yes. And I don't mind. But for me your answer just sounds too strong for what it is.
Ok, sorry if I misunderstood.

I only look for sources when something isn't obvious.
actually this is not an answer. You just avoid it.
For the main plot, he could have simply used Gin and Vodka, or created a male character. But he had to add a new female character because he wanted to create a love triangle situation. If not, then why did he create so many AiCon moments/files?
o__O well you know, when you write a story you have to keep a balance between the mens character and female characters.
And with your explaination, what about the role of Akemi, Rena, Vermouth?
So there isn't anything obvious in that.

"Really good friends" is not "real friends".
And if you loose your really good friends over something stupid, are there really that good?
I think you wrote it without thinking of it. ;)
Well maybe you can explain me the nuance?
And if you loose your really good friends over something stupid, are there really that good? > But usually people consider someone as a "real friend" (I will use your vocabulary to say it clearly) until they discover something bad happens.
are there really that good? > and actually you can be the one to be wrong.
Well, I don't know how I can't explain it but it seems to be we don't have the same opinion about friendship.
For me it's more important to do my best to keep a good friendship. And I can't just think someone will be my friend all my life or something.

And to come back to this topic subject, there is a strong friendship between Ai and Conan, yes, and another strong friendship between Ran and Shinichi.

that's all for now.
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Melissa wrote: actually this is not an answer. You just avoid it.
For the main plot, he could have simply used Gin and Vodka, or created a male character. But he had to add a new female character because he wanted to create a love triangle situation. If not, then why did he create so many AiCon moments/files?
o__O well you know, when you write a story you have to keep a balance between the mens character and female characters.
And with your explaination, what about the role of Akemi, Rena, Vermouth?
So there isn't anything obvious in that.

on that I have to agree, but disagree as well. In my novel, I ended up having A LOT of female characters, but I didn't try to balance it. There are a lot of animes with more girls than boys (not just harems) and the opposite.
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I guess I consider that DC is a realistic manga on that point.
Well, but you are right...

So what about the other female BO characters?

Well, I don't totally agree with the point "Kazuha was created to be the girlfriend of Heiji" but because she doesn't have any other role than Heiji's foil (and the comical role), I will say "why not?"

But I think this is too reductive to say  that Haibara was just created to be in the love triangle.

I think that's not true. And the reason why I affirm that is:
when a manga create a character for a love trinagle which doesn't appear at the beginning of the plot AND which is not the main plot, this a command of the editor!!
You had a similar case with the creation of Heiji: on volume 10, Aoyama planed to introduce Haibara for the first time but his editors insisted to wait a little more and they asked Aoyama to create a rival for Shinichi.
But Shiho/Haibara isn't a command. The author told about Haibara in the manga when her sister died (we can see her shadow). This is totally related to the main plot with the mib. That's the reason I can't  accept the explanation "Haibara was created because he wanted to do a love triangle". If that was so, there is absolutely no reason for Aoyama not to have introduce her sooner in the manga.
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Melissa wrote:
You had a similar case with the creation of Heiji: on volume 10, Aoyama planed to introduce Haibara for the first time but his editors insisted to wait a little more and they asked Aoyama to create a rival for Shinichi.
But Shiho/Haibara isn't a command. The author told about Haibara in the manga when her sister died (we can see her shadow). This is totally related to the main plot with the mib. That's the reason I can't  accept the explanation "Haibara was created because he wanted to do a love triangle". If that was so, there is absolutely no reason for Aoyama not to have introduce her sooner in the manga.
Really good point... she's been a plot element since the beginning. The love triangle thing kind of inevitably developed as a result of their constant close contact, though I kinda think it's not really an issue since I get the impression that Ai so loves Ran as well that she's suppressing her feelings for their sakes.
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Finally someone got something worthy to be debated about, so we may say good bye to tens of page of randomness..

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Well, I don't exactly know. I have to reread the data books to find something about that point.
The only thing I'm sure, is that Aoyama - who didn't especially affirm that Ai has a love feeling for Conan - said once she should prefer Conan rather than Shinichi. ("should" because it was about the subject of CoxAi's fans waiting something about her relationship with Conan)
He explained that with the fact Ai is used to be with Conan and she doesn't really know Shinichi after all.
(From "Conan Doriru" or "Conan Fan book" ... I have to check exactly)

I Think Haibara doesn't dislike Ran from the beginning.
She avoids Ran in many situation and we can see her reaction as a kind of jaleousy.
But I read in one data book that Ai has difficulty in human relationship.
Well I won't develop it because I first need to reread the article or I will say something wrong but maybe her character is more complex.
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This always happen when i go to bed  :D - its like ppl takes the chance to utterly destroy me in this forum when im gone  :'(
Girl19 wrote:
Rellik wrote:
XxxKaitoKidxxX wrote: Geez such violence.
welcome to the 'Ai + Conan' thread  :P
Funny how that "Geez such violence" comment was directed to YOU, yet you're trying hard to make it seem as if it was directed to AiCon fans?

Funny how YOU are the one who always changes the topic(s), yet you're constantly trying hard to accuse US (AiCon fans) of changing the subject (for instance, you using an avatar about the matter).
What? Now its ONLY me that causes things to go off topic?
I'm sorry for the past 10 pages i may be the cause of it all - but that doesn't mean you can neglect the other 70, which i did almost nought in at all (heck i even had a serious debate in it) - and yet it is still sometimes off topic (emphasis on 'sometimes')

Rellik wrote:
Kor wrote: Ran bathed with Conan.
Ran is an ultra lolicon
End of story  :P
Your parents/guardians helped to wash you when you were young - as in touch you all over
They are an ultra lolicon
End of story :)
sorry i had to go there
1. Ran is neither a parent not a guardian to Conan. Your comparison is fail.
2. Funny how you feel the need to bring parents to the topic and accuse them of being ultra lolicons just because someone accused a fictional character of being ultra lolicon. Yeah, you had to go there!
/facepalm

You make it sound like that i really think parents are lolicons...

believe it or not, i have parents too - so if i believe parents are lolicons, then mine are too

it's a joke, okay?

and besides the point i was making was exactly like Melissa said (i just placed a point in a joke instead of some straightout and boring explanation) - Ran is technically a guardian to Conan.


And can you please like stop making me look bad? you are like the only one that takes my posts really seriously - you know what? if i really want to be serious in having a war at aicon fans - id flame this whole topic - but im not am i?
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Melissa wrote: Well, I don't exactly know. I have to reread the data books to find something about that point.
The only thing I'm sure, is that Aoyama - who didn't especially affirm that Ai has a love feeling for Conan - said once she should prefer Conan rather than Shinichi. ("should" because it was about the subject of CoxAi's fans waiting something about her relationship with Conan)
He explained that with the fact Ai is used to be with Conan and she doesn't really know Shinichi after all.
(From "Conan Doriru" or "Conan Fan book" ... I have to check exactly)

I Think Haibara doesn't dislike Ran from the beginning.
She avoids Ran in many situation and we can see her reaction as a kind of jaleousy.
But I read in one data book that Ai has difficulty in human relationship.
Well I won't develop it because I first need to reread the article or I will say something wrong but maybe her character is more complex.
wow!where do you find those interviews!!!i'm jealous!you always seem to know more about Aoyama's projects than us...did you get these books in Japan?
nvm,for me it's clear she prefer conan over shinichi,because she was close to conan,(even if they're the same person,there're differences in their personality...)
and about Ran,yes she was distant with her,i think it was because of jelousy(about conan's love) and also because Ran ressemble too much to her sister...but now she likes Ran and want to protect her...i also think she tries to forget her feelings for conan  just for her happiness...
but even if it's not love,the friendship between ai and conan is great,they're like soulmate for me...i wouldn't like it if there is a lovey dovey romance between them,but as very close friend they're so cute,so i'm fine with it...

anyway,it would be cool if haibara has a lover,just to give her more sweetness in her life,and would be as mature , cool and funny as her ...someone like conan but who would really loves her....i only blame gosho for that point... :-\
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AICHAN wrote:
Melissa wrote: Well, I don't exactly know. I have to reread the data books to find something about that point.
The only thing I'm sure, is that Aoyama - who didn't especially affirm that Ai has a love feeling for Conan - said once she should prefer Conan rather than Shinichi. ("should" because it was about the subject of CoxAi's fans waiting something about her relationship with Conan)
He explained that with the fact Ai is used to be with Conan and she doesn't really know Shinichi after all.
(From "Conan Doriru" or "Conan Fan book" ... I have to check exactly)

I Think Haibara doesn't dislike Ran from the beginning.
She avoids Ran in many situation and we can see her reaction as a kind of jaleousy.
But I read in one data book that Ai has difficulty in human relationship.
Well I won't develop it because I first need to reread the article or I will say something wrong but maybe her character is more complex.
wow!where do you find those interviews!!!i'm jealous!you always seem to know more about Aoyama's projects than us...did you get these books in Japan?
nvm,for me it's clear she prefer conan over shinichi,because she was close to conan,(even if they're the same person,there're differences in their personality...)
and about Ran,yes she was distant with her,i think it was because of jelousy(about conan's love) and also because Ran ressemble too much to her sister...but now she likes Ran and want to protect her...i also think she tries to forget her feelings for conan  just for her happiness...
but even if it's not love,the friendship between ai and conan is great,they're like soulmate for me...i wouldn't like it if there is a lovey dovey romance between them,but as very close friend they're so cute,so i'm fine with it...

anyway,it would be cool if haibara has a lover,just to give her more sweetness in her life,and would be as mature , cool and funny as her ...someone like conan but who would really loves her....i only blame gosho for that point... :-\
Weird... in the interviews i read so far, Gosho always says *What do you think?* or *How do it look to you?* when he gets asked about Ai and Conan and if they love(Ai)/care(Conan) for each other. ???
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Wait a moment... we´re talking about Ai and Conan???? In  an Ai+Conan thread????????????????????????????????????? :o :o :o :o :o :o
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wow!where do you find those interviews!!!i'm jealous!you always seem to know more about Aoyama's projects than us...did you get these books in Japan?
Yeah. I don't read french (nor english) books about manga.
Well, you are french so you may know who I'm?
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Sorry for the french interlude.
In fact, most of the news I told here are some old informations I gathered in my site before 2006. That's why I can talk about them so easily. But when it's about some interviews or articles I didn't translate yet, I can't be pretty exact.
anyway,it would be cool if haibara has a lover,just to give her more sweetness in her life,and would be as mature , cool and funny as her ...someone like conan but who would really loves her....i only blame gosho for that point...


... I'm wondering about this point. I realized Aoyama like creating couplings between his characters. There isn't so many love triangle in the DC universe. So is there a reason why Aoyama didn't introduce a nice guy for Haibara? Except the fact her love triangle is quite famous (well... only in the fan world actually), she deserves to find someone.

But in the same time, I wouldn't be happy to see her ending up with a new character we don't know at all...
Weird... in the interviews i read so far, Gosho always says *What do you think?* or *How do it look to you?* when he gets asked about Ai and Conan and if they love(Ai)/care(Conan) for each other.


Wich interviews?
In the Conan Fan Book p75, you have a mini interview about this topic where he explains Haibara prefer Conan than Shinichi.
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Melissa wrote: ... I'm wondering about this point. I realized Aoyama like creating couplings between his characters. There isn't so many love triangle in the DC universe. So is there a reason why Aoyama didn't introduce a nice guy for Haibara? Except the fact her love triangle is quite famous (well... only in the fan world actually), she deserves to find someone.

But in the same time, I wouldn't be happy to see her ending up with a new character we don't know at all...
Maybe he doesn´t want to bother about romance stuff? If so, then i bet he was happy when he realized that alot of his fans thinks/guess/prefers that Ai/Shiho also likes Conan/Shinichi. Less work for him. :D

Yeah, me too cause dunno, it would feel weird and kinda out of DC.
Melissa wrote: Wich interviews?
In the Conan Fan Book p75, you have a mini interview about this topic where he explains Haibara prefer Conan than Shinichi.
Dunno when it was, but i´m sure that it was already posted in this thread somewhere. But i have no idea on which page it was.^g^"
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Maybe he doesn´t want to bother about romance stuff?


Well we are talking about Detective Conan after all. A mystery AND love comedy manga. (don't know why foreigners fans seems to consider the love comedy part as a "bonus". o_O but it's actually the definition of Aoyama himself)
If so, then i bet he was happy when he realized that alot of his fans thinks/guess/prefers that Ai/Shiho also likes Conan/Shinichi. Less work for him.


I think Aoyama doesn't mind. If he did he should be more depressed because of the BL fans.
Aoyama doesn't support CoxAi coupling but I imagine he has something more important to do than trying to understand why fangirls prefer them than his favorite childhood friends coupling.

And actually CoxAi is popular among the fandom. But common readers still prefers Shin x Ran and het couplings.
And you have an important amount of common readers for DC, so...
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