Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[MDavid]

This is the main part of my solution.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[sstimson]

Ok panel 4 why the burn? with time it will break by it self. Also (important)do not see how releasing /burning the string makes the shutter move down. How is it attached?
Panel 8 same kind of question. how does the string attach to the shutter as to return it.

You see those are my problems. The string must be attached twice to the shutter but one will counter the other. How do you avoid that?

1) One to keep the shutter from falling.
2) one to return the shutter to the top.

[MDavid]

with time it will break by it self

Why?

Also (important)do not see how releasing /burning the string makes the shutter move down. How is it attached?

The burning string was not set up by the culprit. It is the original string of the shutter. If you move it down, the shutter goes up, move it up then it goes down. The same way when the shutter falls down because of it's weight the string goes up. And when the shutter goes up because the other string is pulled down by the bowling ball, the original string goes down. The original string and the string with the ball are not connected to each other, but both are connected to the shutter.

[sstimson]

So it I got that right and again it does sound backwards, there must be a 'return' string to do that. Is that right? I can see you have it set up so if you pull down , it goes down (the shutter) and if you release it it could go up. But the second part would require a counter weight like in elevators and clocks. Does it have one?

Sounds like your shutter has some kind of pulley. The string hangs loose, go over a pulley and then goes over the bottom of the shutter. You release the string and the shutter goes down.

But I find it hard to believe that the shutter is heavier then the bowling ball. It is your return of the shutter I am currently having problems with. As I see it, only the bowling ball could do that.

But you have the ball falling, so another pulley is needed to pull in back up. I suspect you are using the slack area for the shutter to come down and when the slack is over, the shutter should in theory move up, right?

By the way let me explain why the string should natural break. Think this way. If the bowling ball is still above the ground at the end of its rope, since the ball wants to hit the ground plus the momentum of the falling ball should put a great enough stress on the rope, that at that point, the rope will jerk and likely break.

[MDavid]

But I find it hard to believe that the shutter is heavier then the bowling ball. It is your return of the shutter I am currently having problems with. As I see it, only the bowling ball could do that.

Exactly!

There must be a 'return' string to do that. Is that right?

Right! That is the string attached to the ball.

I can see you have it set up so if you pull down , it goes down (the shutter) and if you release it it could go up.

Normally the shutter isn't going back to the top. The bowling ball pulls the string to make the shutter go up. But only after some falling, when the string isn't loose anymore.

But the second part would require a counter weight like in elevators and clocks.

That is the bowling ball.

Here is a video of the same kind of shutter that inspired the riddle. Unfortunately it doesn't show the string. I did not make this video. And the shutter I have isn't 70 years old.

[sstimson]

That shutter show very well part of the problem I have with your solution. I  saw how slow and at times sticky it got. If it is that way all the way down, it might not break your victims neck. Compare to how a Guillotine goes down with your shutter.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGh4malYLk0[/youtube]. Do you notice the difference?

[MDavid]

It was slow and looked sticky because the man operating it was very cautious. Sometimes the string can stick into the fastening lock, but if it is fully released or cut/burned above it the shutter falls down really fast. Since it is old, it is quite heavy and could easily break a neck.

Now, if you are satisfied (or not ) are you going make the new riddle? You got the closest to my solution. Of course we can still discuss it.

[Kogorou]

@MDavid
Don't worry about our beloved critic, he justs wants to have riddles that are totally reasonable

@sstimson:
Your turn

If you still have to discuss things about this riddle please do that via PM, thanks guys.

[sstimson]

Ok how about a tough one. Murdered body face down. Broken neck. Room 100 ft in all directions. One door with a key lock on both sides. Key in lock on the inside. Ceiling 100 ft up a single light bulb. a light switch on one of the walls near the door. Body in middle of the room. Room empty but for a pencil.

How was the victim killed?

[lucky777]

[spoiler]He was going to fix the light bulb but fell and smashed his neck?

If not then how about the pencil fell from the ceiling and hit his neck snapping it (although i think this is very unlikely)[/spoiler]

[sstimson]

[spoiler]He was going to fix the light bulb but fell and smashed his neck?

If not then how about the pencil fell from the ceiling and hit his neck snapping it (although i think this is very unlikely)[/spoiler]

Unless You are going to claim he can change a light bulb by hovering in the air, then no.

This room only has a pencil in it. No ladder, no chair, no stool, etc. Empty but for a pencil.

[lucky777]

Nah i just thought there might of been something like a walkway near the ceiling.
[spoiler]I hope its not something like he tripped on the pencil, fell and broke his neck then died.[/spoiler]

[sstimson]

Not that simple and if there is a cat walk, There is no way to reach in, It is at least 100ft up.

[M.Holmes]

Perhaps...

[spoiler] The guy entered the room with the intention of turning on the lightbulb, but as he was going for the switch, he tripped on the pencil and broke his neck (Though you did say murdered, so that implies someone killed him)[/spoiler]

[sstimson]

As I said earlier this was a murder and it is a locked room one. To Remove this theory completely, The victim was wearing non slip shoes and the floor was completely dry. The Pencil was in his pocket before the murder. It fall out after.